Too Much Protein?

**soxmuscle** · 10-14-2004, 09:47 PM

I replied to a thread in the supplement forum without much doing, so here goes.

Meal #1: Shake, 56 grams.
Meal #2: Nat. PB sandwich, 25 grams.
Meal #3: Turkey sandwhich, Three skim milks, 70 grams.
Meal #4: Can of tuna fish, Two tbsp. of PB, 65 grams
WORKOUT
PW Shake: Whey w/ water, 50 grams.
Meal #5: Three chicken breasts, potato, broccoli, 85 grams.
Meal #6: Three servings of skim milk, Two cups of cottage cheese, 47 grams.

For a total of: 398 grams of protein.

Almost 400 grams of protein for an 130 pound guy seems like alot? is it possibile to eat too much protein?

**Jodi** · 10-14-2004, 09:52 PM

Personally I feel any protein over 50-60G per meal is over kill especially if that person is not drinking enough water. You could have problems with stones later in life, from what I've read anyway. For 130lb person there is no reason to go above 260G of protein. That's 2xper lb of bodyweight and no more is needed than that.

**soxmuscle** · 10-14-2004, 09:59 PM

Originally Posted by Jodi

Personally I feel any protein over 50-60G per meal is over kill especially if that person is not drinking enough water. You could have problems with stones later in life, from what I've read anyway. For 130lb person there is no reason to go above 260G of protein. That's 2xper lb of bodyweight and no more is needed than that.

Thanks for responding.

I don't understand how people have trouble getting enough protein in there diet. Besides my lunch and dinner which are "bigger" meals, I don't get filled up like I did years ago before I started intensely lifting weights.

I wouldn't mind cutting out some of the protein, but I really don't see how I can considering I am not gaining nearly as much weight as I should/want, and I have gotten some serious complements the last few days on overall size.

How do I put on weight, because clearly ridiculous amounts of protein is not working.

Du · 10-14-2004, 10:02 PM

Originally Posted by soxmuscle

Meal #4: Can of tuna fish, Two tbsp. of PB, 65 grams

Do you mix that together?

**soxmuscle** · 10-14-2004, 10:03 PM

Originally Posted by du510

Do you mix that together?

Hell no. I eat the tuna with honey mustard first. Then I eat the Peanut Butter for some energy before I workout. It seems to be working, because I used to be tired and droggy in the gym, and since the peanut butter I have been wide awake and ready to go.

**Jodi** · 10-14-2004, 11:01 PM

You need carbs. Oatmeal, brown rice, sweet potatoes, fresh fruits, skim milk, ww pasta's etc.

**soxmuscle** · 10-14-2004, 11:07 PM

I used to eat a small dinner with oatmeal, I should start that back up again.

**LAM** · 10-14-2004, 11:16 PM

Originally Posted by soxmuscle

For a total of: 398 grams of protein.

Almost 400 grams of protein for an 130 pound guy seems like alot? is it possibile to eat too much protein?

IMO...you don't need any more than 1.5-2 grams of protein per lb of LBM not total bodyweight...

**soxmuscle** · 10-14-2004, 11:19 PM

Originally Posted by LAM

IMO...you don't need any more than 1.5-2 grams of protein per lb of LBM not total bodyweight...

LBM? still learning, sorry.

**LAM** · 10-14-2004, 11:25 PM

lean body mass

total bodyweight - body fat = LBM (or non-fat)

example:

you are 130 lbs with a body fat % of 15

130 lbs x .15 = 19.5 lbs

130 lbs - 19.5 lbs = 110.5 lbs of non-fat

110.5 lbs x 1.5 grams/lb = 165.75 grams
110.5 lbs x 2 grams/lb = 220 grams

your protein intake should range from 165-220 grams of protein a day

**soxmuscle** · 10-14-2004, 11:26 PM

Thank You. Any suggestions other than eating oatmeal, brown rice, etc on gaining weight?

**Jodi** · 10-14-2004, 11:50 PM

Originally Posted by LAM

lean body mass

total bodyweight - body fat = LBM (or non-fat)

example:

you are 130 lbs with a body fat % of 15

130 lbs x .15 = 19.5 lbs

130 lbs - 19.5 lbs = 110.5 lbs of non-fat

110.5 lbs x 1.5 grams/lb = 165.75 grams
110.5 lbs x 2 grams/lb = 220 grams

your protein intake should range from 165-220 grams of protein a day

Nice breakdown

**soxmuscle** · 10-15-2004, 11:34 PM

Originally Posted by soxmuscle

Thank You. Any suggestions other than eating oatmeal, brown rice, etc on gaining weight?

Bump.

**Jodi** · 10-15-2004, 11:47 PM

Sweet Potatoes
Yams
Long Grain Brown Rice
Old Fashioned Oats
Scottish Oats
Fruit
Whole Grain Bread
Fiber One
All Bran w/ Extra Fiber
Uncle Sam Cereal
Whole Wheat Pasta
Lentils/Legumes
New Potatoes
Red Potatoes
Pumpkin
Squash
Turnip

**Diehard007** · 10-15-2004, 11:57 PM

Originally Posted by LAM

lean body mass

total bodyweight - body fat = LBM (or non-fat)

example:

you are 130 lbs with a body fat % of 15

130 lbs x .15 = 19.5 lbs

130 lbs - 19.5 lbs = 110.5 lbs of non-fat

110.5 lbs x 1.5 grams/lb = 165.75 grams
110.5 lbs x 2 grams/lb = 220 grams

your protein intake should range from 165-220 grams of protein a day

omg i didnt know this. i was multiplying 1.5 times my bodyweight not my LBM

thanks LAM

**LAM** · 10-16-2004, 12:09 AM

some people go by total BW and other go by LBM...IMO going by LBM is the more logical approach.

by going by total body weight then you are taking body composition out of the equation. it's like saying a 250 lb bb'er at 30% body fat needs the same amount of protein as a 250 lb bb'er with 15 % body fat. the 1st man has 175 lbs of LBM while the 2nd has 212 lbs of LBM a difference of 37.5 lbs of muscle. the 2nd man obviously needs more protein than the 1st to maintain a positive nitrogen balance so his protein requirements will be higher...

**CowPimp** · 10-16-2004, 12:17 AM

Originally Posted by soxmuscle

I replied to a thread in the supplement forum without much doing, so here goes.

Meal #1: Shake, 56 grams.
Meal #2: Nat. PB sandwich, 25 grams.
Meal #3: Turkey sandwhich, Three skim milks, 70 grams.
Meal #4: Can of tuna fish, Two tbsp. of PB, 65 grams
WORKOUT
PW Shake: Whey w/ water, 50 grams.
Meal #5: Three chicken breasts, potato, broccoli, 85 grams.
Meal #6: Three servings of skim milk, Two cups of cottage cheese, 47 grams.

For a total of: 398 grams of protein.

Almost 400 grams of protein for an 130 pound guy seems like alot? is it possibile to eat too much protein?

You can't get big eating only protein. You need just as many carbohydrates, if not more, and a good portion of fats too. A very common macro split is 40/40/20 protein/fat/carbs. I like the isocaloric split 33/33/33. There are other viable ones too; see which one you like best.

**ROCKSTAR** · 10-27-2004, 10:22 AM

I love protein.

I include it in every meal.

**squanto** · 10-27-2004, 10:33 AM

protein is overrated. i tried it once, but it didnt do anything.

**BulkMeUp** · 10-27-2004, 12:59 PM

Originally Posted by squanto

protein is overrated. i tried it once, but it didnt do anything.

what were you expecting it to do? If you are referring to gaining muscle, as explained above you need to eat adequate cals consisting of balanced macros.

**soxmuscle** · 10-27-2004, 05:37 PM

Originally Posted by BulkMeUp

what were you expecting it to do? If you are referring to gaining muscle, as explained above you need to eat adequate cals consisting of balanced macros.

What foods do you guys get your fats from? I get my fats mainly from peanut butter, and the flax caplets. I'd love some other foods to eat daily full of good fats.

**Duncans Donuts** · 10-27-2004, 05:54 PM

Fish

**CowPimp** · 10-27-2004, 06:10 PM

I use safflower mayo and olive oil based salad dressing, in addition to the ones already mentioned.

**sara** · 10-27-2004, 10:24 PM

Fish Oil Cap, Fish (Salmon), Flax Oil
others: Nuts, Olive Oil, Egg Yolks, Coconut Oil..

**BulkMeUp** · 10-28-2004, 07:38 AM

Originally Posted by sara

Fish Oil Cap, Fish (Salmon), Flax Oil
others: Nuts, Olive Oil, Egg Yolks, Coconut Oil..

**Cardinal** · 10-28-2004, 04:48 PM

Originally Posted by CowPimp

You can't get big eating only protein. You need just as many carbohydrates, if not more, and a good portion of fats too. A very common macro split is 40/40/20 protein/fat/carbs. I like the isocaloric split 33/33/33. There are other viable ones too; see which one you like best.

Not saying this is bad advice in the slightest, but for bulking I do much better with a different approach. With the exception of adding a small quantity of fish oil each day, I don't find it necessary to add any more fat to my diet. I get plenty from tag alongs from cho and lean meats without looking for more. Rather than going by ratios, I just make sure to ingest an appropriate number of grams of fat (40-60 enough for me to bulk on, I believe this is also typical for a cho cycling dietary fat intake). More when strongly hypercaloric should simply get stored rather than oxidized to the best of my knowledge. So it makes little sense to me to add more than a minimal amount needed for proper health.

I favor the idea of using 2g/lb+ lbm protein, not b/c I think that intake would lead to better health, but since it seems to be the most thermic of macronutrients at roughly 20-30% compared to 6% cho and 3% for fat. So for limiting fat gain on a bulk, this makes most sense to me. Protein also has more possible uses and should be tougher to convert to fat. Adding more than low-moderate cho should be unnecessary unless needed to get more kcals.

The macronutrient ratios would then come out quite skewed. 10% fat or thereabouts, maybe 20-30% cho and the rest protein. For a given hypercaloric timeframe, those are my thoughts on how best to set it up. For a large surplus all ingested fat would be stored essentially imo along with some of the cho that would entail some energy cost being converted to triglyceride. Obviously there are many other ways to positively effect partitioning, but macro amounts is certainly a big one.

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