Thread: My PT what his science behind his shake

I've never heard of that either.

Typically it's whey with either oats or simple sugar and no fat then 1 hour later a meal with carbs.

Originally Posted by kim

My new Pt told me that after my workout is better to have alone at first:

My high spics insuline alone, like apple juice,then 30 minutes later after having only my whey shake with no carbs in it.

there are no studies that show his method is more effective...

Originally Posted by kim

My new Pt told me that after my workout is better to have alone at first:

My high spics insuline alone, like apple juice,then 30 minutes later after having only my whey shake with no carbs in it.

He told me that with this way there is no chance that the protein from my shake will be breakdown into glucose while my muscles are all depleted.

Arggg... This guy is really behind in his thinking - people used to suggest this AGES ago!

Firstly - apple juice will not spike insulin levels. Apples juice has both a low GI and a lowish II - meaning it's effect on insulin are low. If you want a fruit juice that has a higher insulin index then grape juice or pineapple juice are much better options.

Secondly - it has been proven that it is the amino acids from proteins, that when taken soon after a workout, are what will have a huge effect on anabolism. Infact, carbs taken in by itself after a workout are not all that anabolic in their own right - it is only when you combine them with a protein OR you have them in such high quantities that they result in a superphysiological spike in insulin that they will have any direct effect on muscle growth...

Thirdly - most weight training sessions will not result in complete glycogen depletion. So the carbs from your oats and banana are more than enough to function in glycogen replenishment when combined with the whey.

The type of replenishment your PT is talking about is more important in LONGER draining workouts - such as cardio sessions that go over ~90 to 120 minutes. As this is when glycogen replenishment is more important than muscle growth promotion.

Originally Posted by Emma-Leigh

The type of replenishment your PT is talking about is more important in LONGER draining workouts - such as cardio sessions that go over ~90 to 120 minutes. As this is when glycogen replenishment is more important than muscle growth promotion.

Thank's for all you replies and al the good advices you are giving me.

Emma, on your last point regarding longer trainings. It could make sense, well I guess, with his way of thinking or maybe training. Not sure about his training because he told me that he train in the gym at least 3 hours every morning and there is no cardio in that.

I have always though that 1 to 1h15 training with weight in a gym was enough and it is not good going in such long, long training like he is doing.

ANY COMMENTS ON THAT TOO.

He will give me my new workout training this thursday, but I told him that I allowed my self maximum 1h15 minutes training in the gym with weight. I was scare that he wrote down some long trainings for me just like he is doing for his self.

He is preparing his self from May 2005 Bobybuilding Competition in Montreal.

Any thoughts about going with so, so long weight training in the gym, 3 hours in a row.

He seem to have a great physical, haven't saw him cut, but his approach is really different from what all I have been reading.

Originally Posted by kim

Not sure about his training because he told me that he train in the gym at least 3 hours every morning and there is no cardio in that.

I would bet that he is using gear and training very heavy which is causing him to take very long breaks inbetween sets. nobody can train non-stop at a high intensity using heavy loads for 3 hours straight...

Originally Posted by LAM

I would bet that he is using gear and training very heavy which is causing him to take very long breaks inbetween sets. nobody can train non-stop at a high intensity using heavy loads for 3 hours straight...

I just try to find the word gear in my dictionnary to have the right meaning in french but but, no I can not find the right meaning in french, do you mean like he is using some steroid an that's must be the reason why he is training 3 hours in a row. Well he is huge and told me that little steroid when taken in a smart way won't do no trouble to me, but I'm not looking for that.

I guess that's what you mean

Originally Posted by kim

I just try to find the word gear in my dictionnary to have the right meaning in french but but, no I can not find the right meaning in french, do you mean like he is using some steroid an that's must be the reason why he is training 3 hours in a row. Well he is huge and told me that little steroid when taken in a smart way won't do no trouble to me, but I'm not looking for that.

I guess that's what you mean

Yes, gear means steroids.

Anyone who trains in high intensity fashion for 3 hours every day is a nut

Originally Posted by CowPimp

Yes, gear means steroids.

Thank's for the clarification, so that's must explain why he train 3 hours in a row. But I must said that his physicall seem to be nice and big, haven't saw him cut and tone, but I guess I'll see him on stage in May 2005

So you have a trainer that tells you the wrong things, tells you that a little gear is okay and won't put together a program designed for the time you have...why the hell are you bothering with this guy? I hope you're not paying him.

I told him that I wouldn't take any gear and my program has to fit in 4 days weight training and I allowed my self 1hr to 1hr15 minutes in the gym. No more.

So on this thursday, he'll give me my program. And yes I paid him and I hope that his program will be realistic for me and his program is not worked in regard's with his training and gear stuff.

Will see.