Proper Diet Sufficient for Joint Health?

**CowPimp** · 12-16-2004, 06:41 PM

I know about supplemets, such as glucosamine, which are supposed to support healthy joints. I wanted to get some opinions on the necessity of these supplements while resistance training. Is a good diet, proper rest, and periodic breaks from resistance training enough to support healthy joints, or is the effect of these supplements dramatic?

PreMier · 12-16-2004, 07:29 PM

I was told that glucosamine is worthless.. Supposedly the weight of the glucose molecule is too large to pass through the mucus membrane in the stomach/intestinal wall

Duncans Donuts · 12-16-2004, 07:49 PM

I've heard similar things

**CowPimp** · 12-17-2004, 02:28 AM

There are other supplements out there that are supposed to support joint health too though. Someome told me about taurine and glutamine, although I know glutamine is a highly debatable supplement too.

Rocco32 · 12-17-2004, 05:27 AM

I've heard that fish oil and sesathin will help with joints.

**calalily1972** · 12-17-2004, 09:42 AM

Most definately. Fish oil acts as an anti-inflammatory.

**CowPimp** · 12-19-2004, 01:47 AM

I was aware that EFAs are good for joints because of their aid in lubrication. As well, I know drinking lots of water helps. However, what I'm getting at is whether anyone thinks supplements are necessary for someone who does heavy weight training, or is a good diet sufficient?

**calalily1972** · 12-20-2004, 10:39 AM

I use MSM in a gel cap. I have a bum knee and really feel it when I'm not using the MSM. The glucosamine and Chondroitin helped but not like the MSM does for me.

DOMS · 12-20-2004, 12:33 PM

I'm not sure about glucosamine being worthless. When I started working out I heard a clicking noise in my shoulder when I did Bench Presses. On the advice of a friend I started taking glucosamine and the clicking noise went away.

Yeah, I know it's not very scientific, but it's what happened.

I've also started taking MSM too.

redspy · 12-20-2004, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by PreMier

I was told that glucosamine is worthless.. Supposedly the weight of the glucose molecule is too large to pass through the mucus membrane in the stomach/intestinal wall

There are quite a number of studies which show glucosamine is a great supplement for improving joint health. You need to run it at 1500mg ED and the effects will take 6 weeks to kick in. The addition of MSM helps too.

BulkMeUp · 12-20-2004, 03:35 PM

Can someone tell me what is MSM?

PreMier · 12-20-2004, 05:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BulkMeUp

Can someone tell me what is MSM?

Its an anti inflamitory.

PreMier · 12-20-2004, 05:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by redspy

There are quite a number of studies which show glucosamine is a great supplement for improving joint health. You need to run it at 1500mg ED and the effects will take 6 weeks to kick in. The addition of MSM helps too.

do you maybe have links to some studies? I was browsing pubmed.com and I kept coming up on blank pages. I have a certian study that I am waiting for, but it wont be released for a few months.

BulkMeUp · 12-20-2004, 07:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PreMier

Its an anti inflamitory.

I also meant what does MSM stand for?

PreMier · 12-20-2004, 07:27 PM

MSM (methyl-sulfonyl-methane)is an essential nutrient required by the body and plays an important role in the production of collagen and in fighting arthritis. Insufficient levels of MSM can lead to the inability of the body to repair or replace damaged tissue. MSM also plays a significant part in controlling pain caused by inflamed tissue cells created by the inability of cells to remain permeable and regulate fluid levels in response to atmospheric pressure changes. This may be why many people claim to be able to predict weather changes by the pain in their joints. MSM helps regulate fluid transfer in the tissues by keeping the cell walls flexible and permeable.

Robboe · 12-20-2004, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by BulkMeUp

I also meant what does MSM stand for?

MSM stands for "BulkMeUp is a stoopid doo-doo head". Seriously. Check the literature.

Robboe · 12-20-2004, 07:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PreMier

I was told that glucosamine is worthless.. Supposedly the weight of the glucose molecule is too large to pass through the mucus membrane in the stomach/intestinal wall

Where did you hear that?

PreMier · 12-20-2004, 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by TCD

Where did you hear that?

My Grandfather showed me a reference in one of his medical books. It was after I had gotten my Grandmother some, because she is having knee problems. It sparked some huge debate, because I said it worked anyway.

BulkMeUp · 12-20-2004, 07:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PreMier

MSM (methyl-sulfonyl-methane)is an essential nutrient required by the body and plays an important role in the production of collagen and in fighting arthritis. Insufficient levels of MSM can lead to the inability of the body to repair or replace damaged tissue. MSM also plays a significant part in controlling pain caused by inflamed tissue cells created by the inability of cells to remain permeable and regulate fluid levels in response to atmospheric pressure changes. This may be why many people claim to be able to predict weather changes by the pain in their joints. MSM helps regulate fluid transfer in the tissues by keeping the cell walls flexible and permeable.

Thanks PreMier.

Robboe · 12-20-2004, 07:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PreMier

My Grandfather showed me a reference in one of his medical books. It was after I had gotten my Grandmother some, because she is having knee problems. It sparked some huge debate, because I said it worked anyway.

Find it will ya?

I'll give ya $5.

Or a tip. Which ever you choose.

PreMier · 12-20-2004, 08:12 PM

Glucose, C6H12O6. 180.0 amu

I will have to look up what can pass through the gut wall.. may take a few.

**CowPimp** · 12-25-2004, 12:48 AM

Thanks for the input everyone. I'm considering taking one of those triple supplements containing glucosamine, chondroitin, and MSM. I don't really have joint issues, but I figure preventative measures are a good idea, especially because I will probably be focusing of powerlifting a lot more from now on.

12-16-2004, 06:41 PM	#1
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12-16-2004, 07:29 PM	#2
PreMier happy sumo Elite Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 21,962 Photos: 2	I was told that glucosamine is worthless.. Supposedly the weight of the glucose molecule is too large to pass through the mucus membrane in the stomach/intestinal wall P-side Inc. "the post-workout high is more profound than any drug-induced rush imaginable." -Dante B.

12-16-2004, 07:49 PM	#3
Duncans Donuts Stay puffed, baby. Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: CA Posts: 2,776 Photos: 2	I've heard similar things "in the howling bleeding nights, the dogs plunge into the Volga and swim desperately to gain the other bank. The nights of Stalingrad are a terror for them. Animals flee this hell; the hardest stones cannot bear it for long; only men endure."

12-17-2004, 02:28 AM	#4
CowPimp Fueled by Testosterone Moderator Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Silver Spring, MD Posts: 15,615	There are other supplements out there that are supposed to support joint health too though. Someome told me about taurine and glutamine, although I know glutamine is a highly debatable supplement too. The only time it's bad to feel the burn is when you're peeing... Belligerent Bovine badass YouTube Videos

12-17-2004, 05:27 AM	#5
Rocco32 UNLEASH THE BEAST Elite Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Arlington, VA Posts: 22,329 Photos: 18	I've heard that fish oil and sesathin will help with joints. I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain...

12-17-2004, 09:42 AM	#6
calalily1972 Moderator Moderator Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 22,438 Photos: 1	Most definately. Fish oil acts as an anti-inflammatory.

12-19-2004, 01:47 AM	#7
CowPimp Fueled by Testosterone Moderator Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Silver Spring, MD Posts: 15,615	I was aware that EFAs are good for joints because of their aid in lubrication. As well, I know drinking lots of water helps. However, what I'm getting at is whether anyone thinks supplements are necessary for someone who does heavy weight training, or is a good diet sufficient? The only time it's bad to feel the burn is when you're peeing... Belligerent Bovine badass YouTube Videos

12-20-2004, 10:39 AM	#8
calalily1972 Moderator Moderator Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 22,438 Photos: 1	I use MSM in a gel cap. I have a bum knee and really feel it when I'm not using the MSM. The glucosamine and Chondroitin helped but not like the MSM does for me.

12-20-2004, 12:33 PM	#9
DOMS Metrosexual Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 22,092 Photos: 1	I'm not sure about glucosamine being worthless. When I started working out I heard a clicking noise in my shoulder when I did Bench Presses. On the advice of a friend I started taking glucosamine and the clicking noise went away. Yeah, I know it's not very scientific, but it's what happened. I've also started taking MSM too.

12-20-2004, 03:35 PM	#11
BulkMeUp ..is bulking up! Elite Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Cana-dah Posts: 5,636	Can someone tell me what is MSM?

12-20-2004, 07:27 PM	#15
PreMier happy sumo Elite Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 21,962 Photos: 2	MSM (methyl-sulfonyl-methane)is an essential nutrient required by the body and plays an important role in the production of collagen and in fighting arthritis. Insufficient levels of MSM can lead to the inability of the body to repair or replace damaged tissue. MSM also plays a significant part in controlling pain caused by inflamed tissue cells created by the inability of cells to remain permeable and regulate fluid levels in response to atmospheric pressure changes. This may be why many people claim to be able to predict weather changes by the pain in their joints. MSM helps regulate fluid transfer in the tissues by keeping the cell walls flexible and permeable. P-side Inc. "the post-workout high is more profound than any drug-induced rush imaginable." -Dante B.

12-20-2004, 08:12 PM	#21
PreMier happy sumo Elite Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 21,962 Photos: 2	Glucose, C6H12O6. 180.0 amu I will have to look up what can pass through the gut wall.. may take a few. P-side Inc. "the post-workout high is more profound than any drug-induced rush imaginable." -Dante B.

12-25-2004, 12:48 AM	#22
CowPimp Fueled by Testosterone Moderator Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Silver Spring, MD Posts: 15,615	Thanks for the input everyone. I'm considering taking one of those triple supplements containing glucosamine, chondroitin, and MSM. I don't really have joint issues, but I figure preventative measures are a good idea, especially because I will probably be focusing of powerlifting a lot more from now on. The only time it's bad to feel the burn is when you're peeing... Belligerent Bovine badass YouTube Videos

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