Thread: do you really need so much protein? ever see a prison wieght room?

Do you think they were taking roids?

If anyone is benching 500 raw, they are gifted IMO. Even 400+ raw, is impressive - and yes gear exists on the inside just as other drugs do. I'm sure this varies from prison to prison, I have not done time myself but am close to someone who has been in and out.

Beating up other people and stealing their food has been going on for probably thousands of years, its no different in prison. Mark Abene covered this when he was on the inside, and he doesn't lift a damn thing - yet he knew who the lifters were, because they were the ones farting eggs and beans all day while stealing your food.

If someone weighs 200 pounds it is clear they are not getting a lot of calories. I'd have to see that 500 bench to believe it, unless he is 5 foot tall and has horrible form.

there have been plenty of studies done on repeat felons. many of them has above average levels of test. since you worked in a prison you would know that that most do next to zero work during the day, very low energy expenditure. plus not only do they get 3 meals a day they also get to purcahse plenty of snack from the cantine.

yeah, but little 50 cent snacks don't have any protein in them....and not all prisons allow inmates to purchase snacks...but there was a series on A&E about powerlifitng in prison...these guys where 100% natural, no supps, no roids, none of that.

doesn't matter. you only need more protein than it takes to keep the body in a positve nitrogen balance. and with a very low level activity level protein turnover is very low. having a high carb intake is more important than a high protein intake when gaining mass is the main goal.

I am a firm believer in getting in slightly more 1 gram per lb of LBM not total body weight. MOST people who weight train ingest far too much protein. when I hear of 200 lb guys ingesting 350-400 grams of protein a day that shit makes me laugh !

plus since you have worked in a prison you also know that statistically there are not that many huge guys with low body fat. getting to 270 lbs with 20% body fat is easy.

I have seriously always wondered about this question.

still all swoled up

bread and water

Originally Posted by LAM

doesn't matter. you only need more protein than it takes to keep the body in a positve nitrogen balance. and with a very low level activity level protein turnover is very low. having a high carb intake is more important than a high protein intake when gaining mass is the main goal.

I am a firm believer in getting in slightly more 1 gram per lb of LBM not total body weight. MOST people who weight train ingest far too much protein. when I hear of 200 lb guys ingesting 350-400 grams of protein a day that shit makes me laugh !

plus since you have worked in a prison you also know that statistically there are not that many huge guys with low body fat. getting to 270 lbs with 20% body fat is easy.

what is LBM?

lean body mass

Lean body mass

how do you calculate it?

by finding out ur BF%...aka body fat percentage.
not racist or anything, but alot of prisons are full of black people and it seems that black people are usually more ripped. ive always wondered why they seem to be stronger and look more built. is it just cus the way the light hits their skin, almost like how body builders put on fake tan before a show to make their muscles show??

to figure out lbm I believe it is weight - (%bf *weight) = LBM, something like that.

So I weigh 190 pounds and am around 13% (guessing) so 190
- (.13 * 190=24.7)
=165.3 pounds of LBM.

Originally Posted by LAM

I am a firm believer in getting in slightly more 1 gram per lb of LBM not total body weight. MOST people who weight train ingest far too much protein. when I hear of 200 lb guys ingesting 350-400 grams of protein a day that shit makes me laugh !

Fawk..

In my defence, steak tastes a hell of a lot better thn brown rice.

i still think a lot of protein is over rated.

This is still one of the most highly debated topics in the nutrition world of athletes and bodybuilders. I still don't know where I stand to be honest. As of now, I take in quite a lot of protein because more evidence seems to show more positives and negatives of a high protein diet.

Originally Posted by Rock405

i've been wondering why it's so important to eat 1 gram of protein per pound of body wieght, because i used to work in a prison, and the guys in there eat nothing but apple sauce and little beef paddies and slop every once in a while but they still grow like hell...i'd say on average a 200 pound guy in prison will get 50 grams of protein on a good day...but they still get muscles that look superior to some of these bodybuilders...why? and i don't know if any of you saw the documentary on A&E about lifting in prison, but some of those guys in their where benching 400-500 pounds and sqauting 600 on absolutley zero supplements..its truley amazing.

I was thinking the same exact thing.. I think it depends on what 'suppliments' you use.. If you use steroids then you need a ton of protein to grow with all that gear.. If you aint using steroids then I doubt you need 1g per lbs of LBM.

genetics also play a big part in gaining mass/muscles.. Some people eat 2gms/LBM and dont gain an ounce of muscle/weight.. and some people eat one steak/day and pack muscles..

Some inmates at Sam Quintin
http://www.douglaskenthall.com/prison/lenaslove.html

I did a week and a half at Rikers island when I was a teenager and my body just blew up. They say it's from the starchy food they serve at Rikers.

its 1 gram per pound of body weight
but im sure more wont hurt
also im sure there is a reasonable limit
example
bodyweight= 200 lbs
protein intake= 400 grams

In the book "Power Eating" they suggested about 0.5 a gram of protein per pound of body mass was all that was needed to build muscle. I did a little research and found a bunch of studies that confirmed eating more than that didn't help muscle grow faster.

They also suggested that eating a lot more (like 400 grams for a 200 pound person) was hard on the kidneys and not a very healthy thing to do. They said get more calories from carbs instead and you will have more energy for workouts and probably grow faster

in my nutrition class it was recommended .8g protein per KG of bodyweight..

Originally Posted by cpush

in my nutrition class it was recommended .8g protein per KG of bodyweight..

That information is outdated and just wrong!!!!

1-1.25 grams per pound

Originally Posted by ForemanRules

That information is outdated and just wrong!!!!

1-1.25 grams per pound

where do you get these numbers from? I know it's like the thing to do, pretty much a standard for body builders. what about normal athletes or healthy people, isn't 1-1.25 excess (even for BBs?)

they get any sort of drug in gaol i would say mabye alot of them were juicers b4 they weant in or are getting it while there there,,,and u dont do alot else so not too many calories would be burnt

Originally Posted by cpush

where do you get these numbers from? I know it's like the thing to do, pretty much a standard for body builders. what about normal athletes or healthy people, isn't 1-1.25 excess (even for BBs?)

.75 is probably ok for them

The highest Medical Doctors opinion on protein I have read is .9 per pound for athletes training with weights for hypertrophy.....He wrote a book I read years ago...cant remember the name...

So if the highest doctors opinion is .9 per pound, why do the body builders suggest more than that? Do you believe you know more than the medical community?

More than 1-1.5 per lb. is hard on the kidneys and it's excreted, isn't it.

And honestly, look at the cost.