Honey preworkout

Gordo · 10-19-2005, 12:05 PM

Probably a little too calorie dense if on a cut, but I'm trying to add size and 1 TB nicely sweetens my morning homemade oat/protein bar. Is Honey a bad idea pre-workout? Too much sugar? I think honey is something like ~50/50 fructose/glucose but I hear it's a fairly good source of antioxidants and nutrients provided you stick with RAW unpasteurized honey.

Thoughts?

My preworkout breakfast includes
the protein/oat bar
one apple
100-125g plain yoghurt with 1 TB mashed strawberries or blueberries added
1 TB honey

about 400 - 500 cal approx 3:1 (c : p) usually 1 hour or so b4 workout (I eat around 4:30-5 am) to workout close to 6am).

Course I just noticed that 50% of my carbs are coming from the oats the other 50% is mostly sugar (apple, yoghurt, honey....hmmm might have to rethink this).

The13ig13adWolf · 10-19-2005, 12:38 PM

honey is sugar. no good.

**P-funk** · 10-19-2005, 12:39 PM

depends on your goals and what your workout it like.

Honey= fructose.

Gordo · 10-19-2005, 01:16 PM

Well I'm trying gain weight(preferably in the form of muscle)...started out at 175 (don't know %bf starting but it was in the high 20's) then did a lot of cardio with little to no weight-training

for a good year and dropped to an all time low of 138lbs, probably hit single digit %bf but bleed away too much mus-kle...way too low for a guy 5' 10"

)

So now I've been slowly adding weight but keeping %bf fairly low up to about 145lb at about 10% (but that's a guess until I pick up some calipers). Would like to climb to about 155-160 slowly not in any big rush. Figured since I'm trying to fit some cals in I figured honey wouldn't hurt too badly. Sugar and me have never had too much of a problem (ie: I'd eat a lot and other than a rush I wouldn't really gain weight from it or at least it distributed well

. It took many years to hit 175lb and that's when I ate badly and simply too much of it.

I'm wondering more about the sugar in the morning causing burnout part way through the workout. I find that somedays I have trouble getting my intensity up in the morning. I know honey offers some benefit to endurance athletes....just not so sure if it fits in weight-training. My workout only lasts 1 hour, or so.

I typically train 2 on/ 1 off
cardio 2x /week sometimes 3

**P-funk** · 10-19-2005, 01:20 PM

I would nix the honey. As it stands your entire pre-wrkout meal is loaded with carbs (protein/oat bar, apple, yogurt). I would try and just eat more of a balanced meal with protein, carbs and fat.

Gordo · 10-19-2005, 01:31 PM

Yeah I was kinda leaning that way.... damn, the sweet taste was nice.

More fat, well I was thinking about that but since it's my only meal coming off a night's sleep I was kinda afraid the fat is going to hold things up and I'd be working out somewhat fasted. Figuring out early am workouts is a bit of a challenge

Right now it's pre-workout meal
workout
PWO shake
off to work
PWO meal (usually a balanced meal of oats, protein, and fats) about 1~1.5 hours later.

cheesegrater · 10-19-2005, 03:55 PM

i put honey in shakes post workout on a cut, as i was told to.......hasn't seemed to do any harm....wouldn't honey sugar be the same as fruit sugar? i mean, i put tropicana in shakes and eat fruit every chance i get and fruit is loaded with natural sugar isn't it?

Gordo · 10-19-2005, 04:07 PM

Tropicana would be fairly loaded with sugar but a glass of fruit juice is like getting 3 or 4 servings of fruit in one go and next to zero fiber.

I think fruit (most fruits) are more water, fiber and nutrients than sugar generally.
The sugar in fruit is a little overblown.

As for honey's sugar....yeah it's fructose and glucose ( about 50:50 )
it's just calorie dense...like 1 TB is 65 cals.

ReelBigFish · 10-19-2005, 05:38 PM

the problem w/ fructose is that it goes only to restoring liver glycogen and not towards muscle glycogen, which is what you use during your work out.

Rocco32 · 10-19-2005, 08:05 PM

I'd try to keep fructose/sugar down preworkout to keep from crashing after the insulin spike.

**P-funk** · 10-19-2005, 09:03 PM

fructose wont illicit an insulin spike and will take longer to digest then other sugars. It uses a different pathway.

10-19-2005, 12:05 PM	#1
Gordo Registered User Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: O' Canada...stuck in the middle of you Posts: 1,047 Photos: 8	Honey preworkout Probably a little too calorie dense if on a cut, but I'm trying to add size and 1 TB nicely sweetens my morning homemade oat/protein bar. Is Honey a bad idea pre-workout? Too much sugar? I think honey is something like ~50/50 fructose/glucose but I hear it's a fairly good source of antioxidants and nutrients provided you stick with RAW unpasteurized honey. Thoughts? My preworkout breakfast includes the protein/oat bar one apple 100-125g plain yoghurt with 1 TB mashed strawberries or blueberries added 1 TB honey about 400 - 500 cal approx 3:1 (c : p) usually 1 hour or so b4 workout (I eat around 4:30-5 am) to workout close to 6am). Course I just noticed that 50% of my carbs are coming from the oats the other 50% is mostly sugar (apple, yoghurt, honey....hmmm might have to rethink this). Last edited by Gordo : 10-19-2005 at 12:19 PM.

10-19-2005, 12:39 PM	#3
P-funk Patrick Super Moderator Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: AZ Posts: 30,568	depends on your goals and what your workout it like. Honey= fructose.
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10-19-2005, 01:16 PM	#4
Gordo Registered User Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: O' Canada...stuck in the middle of you Posts: 1,047 Photos: 8	Well I'm trying gain weight(preferably in the form of muscle)...started out at 175 (don't know %bf starting but it was in the high 20's) then did a lot of cardio with little to no weight-training for a good year and dropped to an all time low of 138lbs, probably hit single digit %bf but bleed away too much mus-kle...way too low for a guy 5' 10" ) So now I've been slowly adding weight but keeping %bf fairly low up to about 145lb at about 10% (but that's a guess until I pick up some calipers). Would like to climb to about 155-160 slowly not in any big rush. Figured since I'm trying to fit some cals in I figured honey wouldn't hurt too badly. Sugar and me have never had too much of a problem (ie: I'd eat a lot and other than a rush I wouldn't really gain weight from it or at least it distributed well . It took many years to hit 175lb and that's when I ate badly and simply too much of it. I'm wondering more about the sugar in the morning causing burnout part way through the workout. I find that somedays I have trouble getting my intensity up in the morning. I know honey offers some benefit to endurance athletes....just not so sure if it fits in weight-training. My workout only lasts 1 hour, or so. I typically train 2 on/ 1 off cardio 2x /week sometimes 3 Last edited by Gordo : 10-19-2005 at 03:09 PM.

10-19-2005, 01:20 PM	#5
P-funk Patrick Super Moderator Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: AZ Posts: 30,568	I would nix the honey. As it stands your entire pre-wrkout meal is loaded with carbs (protein/oat bar, apple, yogurt). I would try and just eat more of a balanced meal with protein, carbs and fat.
	http://pwtraining.blogspot.com/.....come and see what is on my mind! Ivonne's Blog on Health and Wellness! Optimum Sports Performance "In the beginners mind there are many possibilities, in the experts there are few." -Buddha's Little Instruction Book

10-19-2005, 03:55 PM	#7
cheesegrater Registered User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 466	i put honey in shakes post workout on a cut, as i was told to.......hasn't seemed to do any harm....wouldn't honey sugar be the same as fruit sugar? i mean, i put tropicana in shakes and eat fruit every chance i get and fruit is loaded with natural sugar isn't it?
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10-19-2005, 12:38 PM	#2
The13ig13adWolf IM Ball Buster Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: I win... Posts: 1,367	honey is sugar. no good.

10-19-2005, 01:31 PM	#6
Gordo Registered User Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: O' Canada...stuck in the middle of you Posts: 1,047 Photos: 8	Yeah I was kinda leaning that way.... damn, the sweet taste was nice. More fat, well I was thinking about that but since it's my only meal coming off a night's sleep I was kinda afraid the fat is going to hold things up and I'd be working out somewhat fasted. Figuring out early am workouts is a bit of a challenge Right now it's pre-workout meal workout PWO shake off to work PWO meal (usually a balanced meal of oats, protein, and fats) about 1~1.5 hours later.

10-19-2005, 04:07 PM	#8
Gordo Registered User Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: O' Canada...stuck in the middle of you Posts: 1,047 Photos: 8	Tropicana would be fairly loaded with sugar but a glass of fruit juice is like getting 3 or 4 servings of fruit in one go and next to zero fiber. I think fruit (most fruits) are more water, fiber and nutrients than sugar generally. The sugar in fruit is a little overblown. As for honey's sugar....yeah it's fructose and glucose ( about 50:50 ) it's just calorie dense...like 1 TB is 65 cals.

10-19-2005, 05:38 PM	#9
ReelBigFish Turtle Power! Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Hot A** Mississippi Posts: 608	the problem w/ fructose is that it goes only to restoring liver glycogen and not towards muscle glycogen, which is what you use during your work out.

10-19-2005, 08:05 PM	#10
Rocco32 UNLEASH THE BEAST Elite Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Arlington, VA Posts: 22,313 Photos: 18	I'd try to keep fructose/sugar down preworkout to keep from crashing after the insulin spike.
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10-19-2005, 09:03 PM	#11
P-funk Patrick Super Moderator Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: AZ Posts: 30,568	fructose wont illicit an insulin spike and will take longer to digest then other sugars. It uses a different pathway.
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