One more question please W8

Fitgirl70 · 03-28-2002, 07:58 AM

Weight 140lb
Height 5'3"
Age 35 (36 in may) 25 at heart!

Above are my workout partners stats, she wants to know what her diet should be for fat loss. You can look at my workouts in my journal to see what her workouts look like because we do the same thing (we workout together).

Her diet lately has looked a little like this:
Myoplex in the morning after her workouts
Oatmeal for her breakfast
an RTD for her midmorning snack
lunch with is usually steamed chicken, rice and veggies or like yesterday for lunch she had the same as me.
She usually has rice cake and pb for mid afternoon snack
She'll have chicken and rice or veggies -- something of the sort for dinner.

She doesn't know how to do her carbs or how much protein she should be taking in or how much fats for that matter. Can you give me some pointers to give to her.
Thanks again
Fitgirl70

Fitgirl70 · 03-28-2002, 02:14 PM

can anyone else answer this for my friend??

Robboe · 03-28-2002, 02:35 PM

Why does she not count calories?

craig777 · 03-28-2002, 02:42 PM

I know that Rice Cakes are high GI, so eating them with Peanut Butter is not a good thing to do. Have her eat PB with celery if she wants to eat peanut butter.

w8lifter · 03-28-2002, 02:47 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Fitgirl70
can anyone else answer this for my friend??

Very sorry Fitgirl....I've been rather busy!

Actually, the PB will reduce the insulin response of the Rice cakes...but, she really shouldn't have them at all. Those would be one of the worst things to eat!

It's a little hard to critique this w/o srving sizes.

Is the myoplex & oats eaten at the same time?

What's an RTD?

If you give me a sec, I'll come back w/ a better meal plan for her.
...going to check your journal.

Quote:

Her diet lately has looked a little like this:
Myoplex in the morning after her workouts
Oatmeal for her breakfast
an RTD for her midmorning snack
lunch with is usually steamed chicken, rice and veggies or like yesterday for lunch she had the same as me.
She usually has rice cake and pb for mid afternoon snack
She'll have chicken and rice or veggies -- something of the sort for dinner.

Robboe · 03-28-2002, 02:55 PM

No offense Craig, but anyone who uses GI to state a point needs shagging up the arse with the wide end of a blower's trumpet.

Too many factors affect GI, not to mention that the GI was derrived by using 50g worth of carbs of food. Why does that make it ridiculous? Well, for one example, who eats 50g worth of carbs in the form of say apple? that is a lot of apple.

GI should be a guideline that is not taken very seriously.

Robboe · 03-28-2002, 02:56 PM

btw, as offensive as that post seems, i just find that blower's trumpet expression horrendously hilarious. It's really for my benefit only

w8lifter · 03-28-2002, 02:59 PM

.....be nice or I'll kick your ass boy!

Robboe · 03-28-2002, 03:02 PM

Sorry Dominatrix Leah.

w8lifter · 03-28-2002, 03:08 PM

Damn Straight!

Fitgirl....I am assuming your friend is eating very similar to you. I checked your journal. You're still eating far too much sugar, not enough calories and virtually no fat!

Is your friend willing to cut sugar and learn how to eat properly? There's a sticky at the top of the nutrition forum. I think you both would benefit from reading the links inside!

craig777 · 03-28-2002, 03:15 PM

OK, hows this no GI.

Fitgirl,

I did the Body for Life thing last year starting in February. If you can do this for 12 weeks it will work.

Breakfast
6 egg whites, 1/2 cup (prior to cooking) plain cooked oatmeal (not instant)

Mid morning
1 cup brown rice, 6 oz chicken breast

Lunch after workout
Meal replacement

Mid afternoon
1 cup brown rice, 6 oz chicken breast

Dinner
Veggies (broccoli, or something like)
6 oz chicken breast

Pre bed
Protein drink in skim milk

Replace chicken breast w/ Salmon sometimes
or brown rice w/ wheat pasta

Every saturday I would treat myself to ice cream or some pizza.

In 12 weeks lost 24 lbs and my muscle mass seemed to increase more than it had in 20 years of lifting.

No GI in that at all.

w8lifter · 03-28-2002, 03:19 PM

Where's the fat?

Still has sugar!

And IMO too many carbs!

craig777 · 03-28-2002, 03:21 PM

You are carb phobic.

w8lifter · 03-28-2002, 03:22 PM

Nope...just sugar phobic....and you (and many others) are fat-phobic!

bubbasr · 03-28-2002, 03:28 PM

I do know that 15 grams of carb is 1 carb count you have to read every label and see what the serving size is. I don't eat anything with more than 3 gram's of suger except natural fruit.
Eat lot's of lean meat chicken,fish, tuna and pork. Also for a snack
triscuts about 10 is ok. Use good judgement and remember if you want to be at say 100lb's you need to drink 100 oz's aday of water.

Fitgirl70 · 03-28-2002, 03:31 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by The_Chicken_Daddy
Why does she not count calories?

she does, I got her started on Fitday.com

Fitgirl70 · 03-28-2002, 03:36 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by w8lifter
Damn Straight!

Fitgirl....I am assuming your friend is eating very similar to you. I checked your journal. You're still eating far too much sugar, not enough calories and virtually no fat!

Is your friend willing to cut sugar and learn how to eat properly? There's a sticky at the top of the nutrition forum. I think you both would benefit from reading the links inside!

thanks W8, actually, I copies the one on fat loss tips and sent it to her. Read it myself too. Hope you don't mind?
We are both willing to cut sugar and learn how to eat properly!! ABSOLUTELY!!!!!

I'm going to check out the rest of them.
Thanks for your help. Anything else would be much appreciated.

Robboe · 03-28-2002, 05:17 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Fitgirl70

she does, I got her started on Fitday.com

Excellent. Now the simple part: tell her to eat less than she burns.

Obviously there's a little bit more to it than that, but this is the general gist. I'm sure reading whatever sticky W8 told you to read will clear anything else up.

w8lifter · 03-28-2002, 06:35 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by The_Chicken_Daddy

Excellent. Now the simple part: tell her to eat less than she burns.

Yes, except that, I think they're both eating far too few calories as it is! I'm sure I saw an 1100 figure in that journal! She's at 140lb! it's not enough Fitgirl.....your metabolism is on it's way to screwed if it's not there already!

For comparison's sake, I'm 110 right now, started this cut at 115, I generally take in around 200 grams protein, 60-80 grams FAT, 30-80 grams of carbs depending on if I'm zig-zagging or not!

Still looking for something will be back in an hr!

Robboe · 03-28-2002, 06:42 PM

I'm kinda swaying in the direction of cyclical carb diets. The more i think about them the more they make sense.

w8lifter · 03-28-2002, 08:44 PM

Okay, here's a plan!

Meal 1: 35 g protein, 30 gram carbs, 10 gram fat

Meal 2: 35 g pro, 10-15 gram fat...can have veggies

Meal 3: 30 g pro, 20-30 gram carb, 10 gram fat

Meal 4: 30 g pro, 20-30 gram carb, 10 g fat

Meal 5: 35 gram pro, 10 g fat...can have veggies

Meal 6: 35 g pro, 15 g fat

This will bring your calories up to an acceptable level, harden your physique, & control your insulin to keep you at optimal fat-burning levels.

Protein sources:

chicken/turkey breast, whey protein, lean beef, tuna, salmon, fish, eggs

Fat sources:

Flax seed oil, Heavy whipping cream, olive oil, safflower oil, full fat mayo, Oil&vinegar dressing, Natural p/b, egg yolk

Carb sources:

Old fashioned oats, sweet potato, brown rice, dark green leafy veggies, apples, strawberries/blueberries, grapefruit,

Thoughts....questions....feedback????

Dr. Pain · 03-29-2002, 07:16 AM

w8, you may want to start them on a little higher, more nutrient dense program, since you are ridding sugars!

I would go transition, even though they say they are ready, there will be cheats or cravings (You know about cravings, don't you?)

Then after a week or two transition, 3-5 weeks of a slightly larger program, tweek to this, then a zigzag. LOOKOUT swimsuit season!

FC

p.s That is a damn good program, bet it only took a minute to create!

w8lifter · 03-29-2002, 07:36 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Fat Cell
w8, you may want to start them on a little higher, more nutrient dense program, since you are ridding sugars!

I would go transition, even though they say they are ready, there will be cheats or cravings (You know about cravings, don't you?)

Then after a week or two transition, 3-5 weeks of a slightly larger program, tweek to this, then a zigzag. LOOKOUT swimsuit season!

FC

p.s That is a damn good program, bet it only took a minute to create!

Actually....it took forever to find! I knew I'd posted it recently and who for...funny thing is..I don't even know my own number!

Okay...I still have this problem w/ being to strict

Will come back w/ something better!

Tooolguy · 03-29-2002, 07:54 AM

confusing...I'll need to read alot of back posts to better understand....it seems my lowfat high carb diet is outta whack!
(I'm fairly new to the nutrition side of things)

w8lifter · 03-29-2002, 12:34 PM

FC?

Quote:

Then I would like to suggest a few things:

Drink even more water than it suggests on the diets.

Don't look at the BW's, use your metabolism as a guide, if you start on the bottom and work your way to the top, one plan each three weeks, last week a special undisclosed plan, these will work fine for most of you.

Add even more flax oil than the plans suggest, total intake of 2 tsp to 1 tbls per meal that asks for it!

All you need to do is adjust the protions according to your metabolism.

Proteins and meal order is interchangable, so are salads and veggies. Meat means chicken, turkey, beef, or fish!

One more change, the middle one should have 1.5 scoops of protein powder instead of 2.

DP

Fitgirl70 · 03-29-2002, 03:52 PM

Hey W8, I copied that diet that you posted above and I'm going to send it to my friend. I'm going to work on following that more too.

What did you mean when you said that my metabolism is "on its way to screwed, if it isn't already."

I'm guessing whatever you mean is what my problem is and has been all along. I'm by no means fat and I have lost a little since starting that Challenge and the challenge with my friend at the gym. I've even tightened up a little, I can already tell. Maybe you could help clear up a bunch of my problems??? I would sure appreciate it so much.

w8lifter · 03-29-2002, 06:07 PM

Quote:

What did you mean when you said that my metabolism is "on its way to screwed, if it isn't already."

Well, by not eating enough calories your metabolism will slow, your body will try to hold onto as much fat as possible. This is why people who only eat one meal a day or skip meals such as breakfast can still be overweight.

Robboe · 03-29-2002, 07:16 PM

Yeah, she's right.

if you ever get to the point of total stagnation then do one thing: take a shower. lol. j/k.

seriously tho, spend five days eating high carbs - particularly starchy carbs (and/or glucose). Carbohydrate metabolism boosts leptin production and the carbs will also convert inert T4 into metabolism-boosting T3. I'd guess that if you did reach total stagnation in your diet that your T3 levels will be pretty much screwed.

Not only will carb overfeeding help, the fact that you're overeating calories again will make your body think it's no longer in "starvation mode" and may actually be willing to drop some fat again...

Dr. Pain · 03-31-2002, 02:57 PM

I'll take it a step further for everyone.

Conversion of T4 to T3 and Reverse-T3: A Summary
The thyroid gland secretes mostly T4 and very little T3. Most of the T3 that drives cell metabolism is produced by action of the enzyme named 5'-deiodinase, which converts T4 to T3. (We pronounce the "5'-" as "five-prime.") Without this conversion of T4 to T3, cells have too little T3 to maintain normal metabolism; metabolism then slows down. T3, therefore, is the metabolically active thyroid hormone. For the most part, T4 is metabolically inactive. T4 "drives" metabolism only after the deiodinase enzyme converts

03-28-2002, 07:58 AM	#1
Fitgirl70 Give it to me Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Dallas Posts: 7,400 Blog Entries: 7 Photos: 4	One more question please W8 Weight 140lb Height 5'3" Age 35 (36 in may) 25 at heart! Above are my workout partners stats, she wants to know what her diet should be for fat loss. You can look at my workouts in my journal to see what her workouts look like because we do the same thing (we workout together). Her diet lately has looked a little like this: Myoplex in the morning after her workouts Oatmeal for her breakfast an RTD for her midmorning snack lunch with is usually steamed chicken, rice and veggies or like yesterday for lunch she had the same as me. She usually has rice cake and pb for mid afternoon snack She'll have chicken and rice or veggies -- something of the sort for dinner. She doesn't know how to do her carbs or how much protein she should be taking in or how much fats for that matter. Can you give me some pointers to give to her. Thanks again Fitgirl70

03-28-2002, 02:14 PM	#2
Fitgirl70 Give it to me Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Dallas Posts: 7,400 Blog Entries: 7 Photos: 4	can anyone else answer this for my friend??
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03-28-2002, 02:35 PM	#3
Robboe Designer Supplements Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Newcastle Posts: 5,141	Why does she not count calories?
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03-28-2002, 02:55 PM	#6
Robboe Designer Supplements Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Newcastle Posts: 5,141	No offense Craig, but anyone who uses GI to state a point needs shagging up the arse with the wide end of a blower's trumpet. Too many factors affect GI, not to mention that the GI was derrived by using 50g worth of carbs of food. Why does that make it ridiculous? Well, for one example, who eats 50g worth of carbs in the form of say apple? that is a lot of apple. GI should be a guideline that is not taken very seriously.
	Being held down by The Man

03-28-2002, 02:56 PM	#7
Robboe Designer Supplements Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Newcastle Posts: 5,141	btw, as offensive as that post seems, i just find that blower's trumpet expression horrendously hilarious. It's really for my benefit only
	Being held down by The Man

03-28-2002, 02:42 PM	#4
craig777 Senior Member Elite Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: San Antonio TX Posts: 1,961	I know that Rice Cakes are high GI, so eating them with Peanut Butter is not a good thing to do. Have her eat PB with celery if she wants to eat peanut butter.

03-28-2002, 02:59 PM	#8
w8lifter Join Date: May 2001 Location: Around..... Posts: 14,964	.....be nice or I'll kick your ass boy!

03-28-2002, 03:02 PM	#9
Robboe Designer Supplements Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Newcastle Posts: 5,141	Sorry Dominatrix Leah.
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03-28-2002, 03:08 PM	#10
w8lifter Join Date: May 2001 Location: Around..... Posts: 14,964	Damn Straight! Fitgirl....I am assuming your friend is eating very similar to you. I checked your journal. You're still eating far too much sugar, not enough calories and virtually no fat! Is your friend willing to cut sugar and learn how to eat properly? There's a sticky at the top of the nutrition forum. I think you both would benefit from reading the links inside!

03-28-2002, 03:15 PM	#11
craig777 Senior Member Elite Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: San Antonio TX Posts: 1,961	OK, hows this no GI. Fitgirl, I did the Body for Life thing last year starting in February. If you can do this for 12 weeks it will work. Breakfast 6 egg whites, 1/2 cup (prior to cooking) plain cooked oatmeal (not instant) Mid morning 1 cup brown rice, 6 oz chicken breast Lunch after workout Meal replacement Mid afternoon 1 cup brown rice, 6 oz chicken breast Dinner Veggies (broccoli, or something like) 6 oz chicken breast Pre bed Protein drink in skim milk Replace chicken breast w/ Salmon sometimes or brown rice w/ wheat pasta Every saturday I would treat myself to ice cream or some pizza. In 12 weeks lost 24 lbs and my muscle mass seemed to increase more than it had in 20 years of lifting. No GI in that at all.

03-28-2002, 03:19 PM	#12
w8lifter Join Date: May 2001 Location: Around..... Posts: 14,964	Where's the fat? Still has sugar! And IMO too many carbs!

03-28-2002, 03:21 PM	#13
craig777 Senior Member Elite Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: San Antonio TX Posts: 1,961	You are carb phobic.

03-28-2002, 03:22 PM	#14
w8lifter Join Date: May 2001 Location: Around..... Posts: 14,964	Nope...just sugar phobic....and you (and many others) are fat-phobic!

03-28-2002, 03:28 PM	#15
bubbasr Member Elite Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: OHIO Posts: 126	I do know that 15 grams of carb is 1 carb count you have to read every label and see what the serving size is. I don't eat anything with more than 3 gram's of suger except natural fruit. Eat lot's of lean meat chicken,fish, tuna and pork. Also for a snack triscuts about 10 is ok. Use good judgement and remember if you want to be at say 100lb's you need to drink 100 oz's aday of water.
	"Got MILK" Where's Your Mustache LOL

03-28-2002, 06:42 PM	#20
Robboe Designer Supplements Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Newcastle Posts: 5,141	I'm kinda swaying in the direction of cyclical carb diets. The more i think about them the more they make sense.
	Being held down by The Man

03-28-2002, 08:44 PM	#21
w8lifter Join Date: May 2001 Location: Around..... Posts: 14,964	Okay, here's a plan! Meal 1: 35 g protein, 30 gram carbs, 10 gram fat Meal 2: 35 g pro, 10-15 gram fat...can have veggies Meal 3: 30 g pro, 20-30 gram carb, 10 gram fat Meal 4: 30 g pro, 20-30 gram carb, 10 g fat Meal 5: 35 gram pro, 10 g fat...can have veggies Meal 6: 35 g pro, 15 g fat This will bring your calories up to an acceptable level, harden your physique, & control your insulin to keep you at optimal fat-burning levels. Protein sources: chicken/turkey breast, whey protein, lean beef, tuna, salmon, fish, eggs Fat sources: Flax seed oil, Heavy whipping cream, olive oil, safflower oil, full fat mayo, Oil&vinegar dressing, Natural p/b, egg yolk Carb sources: Old fashioned oats, sweet potato, brown rice, dark green leafy veggies, apples, strawberries/blueberries, grapefruit, Thoughts....questions....feedback????

03-29-2002, 07:16 AM	#22
Dr. Pain Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Get the Duct Tape...I'm Ripped Again! Posts: 11,239	w8, you may want to start them on a little higher, more nutrient dense program, since you are ridding sugars! I would go transition, even though they say they are ready, there will be cheats or cravings (You know about cravings, don't you?) Then after a week or two transition, 3-5 weeks of a slightly larger program, tweek to this, then a zigzag. LOOKOUT swimsuit season! FC p.s That is a damn good program, bet it only took a minute to create!

03-29-2002, 07:54 AM	#24
Tooolguy Confident Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: New Mexico Posts: 37	confusing...I'll need to read alot of back posts to better understand....it seems my lowfat high carb diet is outta whack! (I'm fairly new to the nutrition side of things)

03-29-2002, 03:52 PM	#26
Fitgirl70 Give it to me Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Dallas Posts: 7,400 Blog Entries: 7 Photos: 4	Hey W8, I copied that diet that you posted above and I'm going to send it to my friend. I'm going to work on following that more too. What did you mean when you said that my metabolism is "on its way to screwed, if it isn't already." I'm guessing whatever you mean is what my problem is and has been all along. I'm by no means fat and I have lost a little since starting that Challenge and the challenge with my friend at the gym. I've even tightened up a little, I can already tell. Maybe you could help clear up a bunch of my problems??? I would sure appreciate it so much.
	All the glory to God! We have a baby on the way.

03-29-2002, 07:16 PM	#28
Robboe Designer Supplements Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Newcastle Posts: 5,141	Yeah, she's right. if you ever get to the point of total stagnation then do one thing: take a shower. lol. j/k. seriously tho, spend five days eating high carbs - particularly starchy carbs (and/or glucose). Carbohydrate metabolism boosts leptin production and the carbs will also convert inert T4 into metabolism-boosting T3. I'd guess that if you did reach total stagnation in your diet that your T3 levels will be pretty much screwed. Not only will carb overfeeding help, the fact that you're overeating calories again will make your body think it's no longer in "starvation mode" and may actually be willing to drop some fat again...
	Being held down by The Man