tuna

**raider6969** · 05-17-2006, 06:37 AM

is eating tuna with 1 tbls of real mayo and some brwon rice ok for a last meal?

**Jodi** · 05-17-2006, 09:33 AM

If you are bulking.

**assassin** · 05-17-2006, 10:17 AM

Originally Posted by raider6969

is eating tuna with 1 tbls of real mayo and some brwon rice ok for a last meal?

if u r cutting don't eat carbs on the last meal and try to decrease ur carb intake gradually through the day such that ur first meal has the higher carb intake and the prebed meal has no carbs............in the last meal consume protein (tuna or cottage cheese works the best)+ efas

**raider6969** · 05-17-2006, 06:34 PM

if im eating around 125 g of carbs per day,and im cutting, how many carbs should i eat on the 1st,2nd 3rd etc meal? 2nd beeing after workout?

**raider6969** · 05-17-2006, 06:40 PM

what difference does it make whether i eat 125 g of carbs evenly through6 meals or i eat more during the day?

**assassin** · 05-18-2006, 06:27 AM

Originally Posted by raider6969

what difference does it make whether i eat 125 g of carbs evenly through6 meals or i eat more during the day?

ok carbs are the most important fuel to the body it fills the muscles with glycogen and helps u to perform well in ur workout and have a good ratio of sugars in ur blood and supports u with energy needed through the day.. also after ur workout ur glycogen is depleted u must eat carbs to recover well and to refill ur glycogen stores ....when u wake up in the morning also ur glycpgen stores are depleted ....so u must eat enough carbs at the morning and during the day......but before u sleep carbs are needed for energy and u dont' need a lot of energy when u r sleeping so any carbs u'll eat before sleping will be stored as fats to be used on the other day......protein is needed to supply the muscles with amino acids while sleeping for repair and growth...also fats because it has something to do with hormonal release in the body (i don't know exactly).........read bbfm for tom venuto . it's gr8

**assassin** · 05-18-2006, 06:31 AM

125 grams of carbs is too low but i'll suggest that if u eat 120 grams of carbs eat 3o grams in prewok out meal and 30 in the post work out and 20 in the 3 remaining meals and nocarbs before u sleep in ur six meal......but maybe u better increase ur carb intake a little bit ...what's ur weight??

**raider6969** · 05-18-2006, 08:22 AM

212 lbs

**raider6969** · 05-18-2006, 08:25 AM

what about cardio days? first 2 meals eat half the days carbs also?

**assassin** · 05-18-2006, 08:44 AM

no not half of it just increase ur carbs a litle bit after the workout, i don't like the idea of 125 grams only of carbs per day...... i am 173 and i eat 150-180 grams of carbs per day

**assassin** · 05-18-2006, 08:51 AM

i suggest if u want to go low in carbs so eat 200grams carbs +250grams of protein + 70gram od fat

**Twin Peak** · 05-18-2006, 08:51 AM

Wow, this thread is full of a lot of crap, hyperbole, generalizations, and misinformation. So much so, that I am not even sure where to begin.

Firstly, NO ONE can answer your questions, Raider, until we know the context of your question:

* what are your goals?
* what are your stats?
* what is your pheno and genotype?
* what are your predispositions?
* what is your training history?
* what is your diet history?
* what does your current traiing look like?
* what does your current diet look like?

If you answer these questions, someone will be able to provide decent advice and guidance. Anyone who is trying to dole out advice without that information, is just overgeneralizing.

It is silly to say, for example, that 125 grams of carbs is good or bad. Some cut at less than that. Some bulk with less than that. Some cut with more than that.

There is no absolutes in dieting and training, everything depends on context.

**assassin** · 05-18-2006, 08:56 AM

Originally Posted by Twin Peak

Wow, this thread is full of a lot of crap, hyperbole, generalizations, and misinformation. So much so, that I am not even sure where to begin.

Firstly, NO ONE can answer your questions, Raider, until we know the context of your question:

* what are your goals?
* what are your stats?
* what is your pheno and genotype?
* what are your predispositions?
* what is your training history?
* what is your diet history?
* what does your current traiing look like?
* what does your current diet look like?

If you answer these questions, someone will be able to provide decent advice and guidance. Anyone who is trying to dole out advice without that information, is just overgeneralizing.

It is silly to say, for example, that 125 grams of carbs is good or bad. Some cut at less than that. Some bulk with less than that. Some cut with more than that.

There is no absolutes in dieting and training, everything depends on context.

ok who r u to say that............he is 212 lbs and he wants to cut and it's obvious that he has got high bf% so i said that it's wrong to go so low in carbs from the very begining of the diet because then he won't be able to decrease carbs more and that and he may stop progressing well.... so pls say something benifical to oters and not just every thing is crap ....though u said nothing but crap

**assassin** · 05-18-2006, 09:01 AM

Originally Posted by Twin Peak

Wow, this thread is full of a lot of crap, hyperbole, generalizations, and misinformation. So much so, that I am not even sure where to begin.

Firstly, NO ONE can answer your questions, Raider, until we know the context of your question:

* what are your goals?
* what are your stats?
* what is your pheno and genotype?
* what are your predispositions?
* what is your training history?
* what is your diet history?
* what does your current traiing look like?
* what does your current diet look like?

If you answer these questions, someone will be able to provide decent advice and guidance. Anyone who is trying to dole out advice without that information, is just overgeneralizing.

It is silly to say, for example, that 125 grams of carbs is good or bad. Some cut at less than that. Some bulk with less than that. Some cut with more than that.

There is no absolutes in dieting and training, everything depends on context.

by the way u........the information i'm saying is from the bffm as i told him of tom venuto he says that it's wrong to go so low in carbs ( i know some bb go lower than that but this is in the very advanced period of diet to reach the competitive line......he says that for a good diet the range (15-25 fats ) and carbs for 40-45 and even 55 sometimes) (and the rest is protein)

so from where are u talking or what's ur reference or even y u r here??????for telling that every thing is crap

**Twin Peak** · 05-18-2006, 09:02 AM

Originally Posted by assassin

ok who r u to say that............

I am nobody.

Originally Posted by assassin

he is 212 lbs and he wants to cut and it's obvious that he has got high bf% so i said that it's wrong to go so low in carbs from the very begining of the diet because then he won't be able to decrease carbs more and that and he may stop progressing well.... so pls say something benifical to oters and not just every thing is crap ....though u said nothing but crap

And in case you didn't understand my post, I can't possibly given him advice without the above information. Or should I just make stuff up based on assumptions? That might be fun. But it wouldn't be helpful.

And my post was quite "beneficial", perhaps you should reread it.

Since you have butted in, how do you know he is high BF? How do you know he hasn't already lost 100 pounds, and he has 10 to go? How do you know whether he is insulin resistant, or maybe diabetic?

And I was trying to be nice. Would you like me to pick a part the flaws and misunderstandings in this post?

ok carbs are the most important fuel to the body it fills the muscles with glycogen and helps u to perform well in ur workout and have a good ratio of sugars in ur blood and supports u with energy needed through the day.. also after ur workout ur glycogen is depleted u must eat carbs to recover well and to refill ur glycogen stores ....when u wake up in the morning also ur glycpgen stores are depleted ....so u must eat enough carbs at the morning and during the day......but before u sleep carbs are needed for energy and u dont' need a lot of energy when u r sleeping so any carbs u'll eat before sleping will be stored as fats to be used on the other day......protein is needed to supply the muscles with amino acids while sleeping for repair and growth...also fats because it has something to do with hormonal release in the body (i don't know exactly).........read bbfm for tom venuto . it's gr8

**Jodi** · 05-18-2006, 09:19 AM

Originally Posted by Twin Peak

I am nobody.

I've been telling you that for years and now you finally listen?

**tucker01** · 05-18-2006, 09:21 AM

Originally Posted by Twin Peak

I am nobody.

Hahaha.

I was waiting for somebody to set up

**Jodi** · 05-18-2006, 09:21 AM

Originally Posted by assassin

by the way u........the information i'm saying is from the bffm as i told him of tom venuto he says that it's wrong to go so low in carbs ( i know some bb go lower than that but this is in the very advanced period of diet to reach the competitive line......he says that for a good diet the range (15-25 fats ) and carbs for 40-45 and even 55 sometimes) (and the rest is protein)

so from where are u talking or what's ur reference or even y u r here??????for telling that every thing is crap

Little background info and a bit of advice. Look and research who you are talking to before attacking. http://www.mindandmuscle.net/magmain...=30&pageID=159
www.designersupps.com

Tom Venuto's diet doesn't differ from anything other than a 40/40/20. JMO.

**Dale Mabry** · 05-18-2006, 09:24 AM

Originally Posted by Jodi

Tom Venuto is lame, boring, and his diet doesn't differ from anything other than a 40/40/20. JMO.

**Jodi** · 05-18-2006, 09:29 AM

Hey it's fine for a beginner but you can't get any more info from his book that you can get from the stickies

**Twin Peak** · 05-18-2006, 09:37 AM

Originally Posted by Jodi

I've been telling you that for years and now you finally listen?

It finally sunk in.

**Jodi** · 05-18-2006, 09:38 AM

I've said this often and I know Rob doesn't like it but I won't ever tell a member to go buy his book unless they want all the basic data in a neat little package. I have no problem showing support for our sponsors IF I feel the members will benefit from it. i.e. I like All the Whey and their protein so I send people there to buy protein. Tom's book does nothing for me and I will be damned if I am going to promote it

**Prince** · 05-18-2006, 09:41 AM

Originally Posted by Jodi

Hey it's fine for a beginner but you can't get any more info from his book that you can get from the stickies

I agree it is more geared towards a beginner, but based on the rest of what you said I know you have not read the ebook.

**Twin Peak** · 05-18-2006, 09:41 AM

Where did he go? We were having so much fun!

**Jodi** · 05-18-2006, 09:46 AM

Originally Posted by Robert DiMaggio

I agree it is more geared towards a beginner, but based on the rest of what you said I know you have not read the ebook.

Actually I have several times and yes, I own it.

It comes down to a basic plan and direction for a beginner. There is not anything that special about it at all.

Not starting shit, just speaking the facts.

**Prince** · 05-18-2006, 09:49 AM

Originally Posted by Jodi

Tom's book does nothing for me and I will be damned if I am going to promote it

I never asked you to promote it.

**Jodi** · 05-18-2006, 10:23 AM

I know you didn't and I wasn't saying that. But I have no problems promoting the sponsors that I do feel are worthwhile.

**Pepper** · 05-18-2006, 10:47 AM

Wow. I clicked on this thread called "tuna" and stumbled into all this excitement.

At least it didn't have people talking about making tuna-smoothies, that about made me puke.

**Dale Mabry** · 05-18-2006, 11:55 AM

Atherjen should be banned for that, or was it peanut butter and tuna. Either way she needs to be taken care of.

**Twin Peak** · 05-18-2006, 12:03 PM

MMmmm, tuna shakes.

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