No spike post workout?

Dr. Pain · 05-01-2002, 09:30 AM

On a cut there's a trade off between optimal recovery and burning fat. You've read my/w8's posts on insulin and fat burning....you burn fat through controlling your insulin secretions and making fat the preferred fuel for the body. That's why it kills me that so many are fat phobic!

Key words here are:

I AM ON A CUT!

True Story.....

As for sugar, A woman took her son to see Ghandi. She said," Oh great Ghandi, please tell my son to stop eating sugar!" He replied. "Come back in two weeks!" Being the great Ghandi, she just did what he asked.

Two weeks later, Ghandi looks the kid square in the eyes and firmly says, "STOP EATING SUGAR!", the woman smiles and thanks him,but she just has to ask, "Great one, why couldn't you have just said that two weeks ago?" Ghandi replied, "TWO WEEKS AGO, I WAS EATING SUGAR!"

Now, from another posting: ALso, I went to a URL on the other side (Training), and while I DO NOT AGREE WITH THE CALORIE DEFICIT STATEMENT, AND THIS STUDY WAS WITH RUNNERS, I did get heavily flamed for my waiting to consume my (MY, JUST ME post W/O meal). Just thought this was interesting information- NOTHING MORE!

What NOT to eat after exercise if you want to lose fat:

If you really want to accelerate fat loss, make sure to ignore the popular recommendation to fill up with carbohydrates after you exercise.

A team of researchers from Canada report that a high carbohydrate meal immediately after a workout will depress the effect that exercise normally has on your metabolic rate. After you finish training, your body continues to burn more fat calories -- sometimes for up to 48 hours. However, a high carbohydrate meal immediately following a workout appears to "dampen" this natural rise in fat burning.

A group of eight men exercised on a treadmill for 60 minutes. Immediately after the workout, they consumed a milk shake that replaced the calories they burned during exercise. The men spent the next three days in a respiratory chamber, which allowed scientists to measure their metabolic rate (the things some people will do for money!).

Here's what happened during the three days in the respiratory chamber:

Group Fat grams burned Calories burned daily
No exercise 202 grams 2016
Exercise 209 grams 2040

As you can see, there was very little difference between the exercise and no-exercise groups, both in terms of daily caloric expenditure and the total number of fat grams burned.

Remember, the main factor that determines your rate of fat loss is energy balance -- the number of calories you take in must be less than the number of calories you expend. However, according to lead researcher Isabelle Dionne, "the avoidance of energy and substrate compensation after exercise is of major importance to maintaining a negative energy balance".

In other words, if you want to speed up fat loss, avoid a big carbohydrate meal straight after you finish training.

Reference

Dionne, I., Van Vugt, S., & Tremblay, A. (1999). Postexercise macronutrient oxidation: a factor dependent on postexercise macronutrient intake. American Journal of Clinical Nutrition, 69, 927-930

And lastly, for several other points of veiw, type in "post work out meal poll" under search, and use Kurgan's #4 or page backward to that post on 5/19

DP

**Jodi** · 05-01-2002, 09:52 AM

Usually I put a Tablespoon of Natural PB in my post W/O Shake. I know PB is not too high in carbs but is there enough that may cause a spike?

w8lifter · 05-01-2002, 10:22 AM

PB is fine Mochy!

Robboe · 05-01-2002, 10:29 AM

You can still burn fat in the presence of insulin.

And you can also add muscle despite being in calorie deficit, hence, i disagree with no carbs post train.

Rob_NC · 05-01-2002, 12:06 PM

Ok CD, what proof do you have? Not that I'm picking on you, but honest and published research speaks for itself.

Robboe · 05-01-2002, 03:05 PM

Proof for what?

Burning fat in the presence of insulin or adding muscle in calorie deficit?

Dr. Pain · 05-01-2002, 03:13 PM

The key words would be "high insulin", what we come to think of as surges, and in the extreme case of hyperinsulinemia, fat burning stops cold.

When surges are supressed and insulin is low and stabilized, lipolysis occurs (fat burning or oxidation), so semantically, TCD is correct! In reference to the topic, I would disagree with his statement!

DP

Robboe · 05-01-2002, 03:16 PM

When you're not cutting do you take in carbs post train, DP?

Dr. Pain · 05-01-2002, 03:23 PM

It varies, from about 12 to 44, I'm very IR with carbs, yet an excellent fat oxidizer. I can actually achieve a "food pump"
from 50-55 P, 12-44 C and 15-20 F, adding LBM slowly but steadily, with minimal BF!

DP

Robboe · 05-01-2002, 04:41 PM

Good stuff.

05-01-2002, 09:30 AM	#1
Dr. Pain Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Get the Duct Tape...I'm Ripped Again! Posts: 11,239	No spike post workout? On a cut there's a trade off between optimal recovery and burning fat. You've read my/w8's posts on insulin and fat burning....you burn fat through controlling your insulin secretions and making fat the preferred fuel for the body. That's why it kills me that so many are fat phobic! Key words here are: I AM ON A CUT! True Story..... As for sugar, A woman took her son to see Ghandi. She said," Oh great Ghandi, please tell my son to stop eating sugar!" He replied. "Come back in two weeks!" Being the great Ghandi, she just did what he asked. Two weeks later, Ghandi looks the kid square in the eyes and firmly says, "STOP EATING SUGAR!", the woman smiles and thanks him,but she just has to ask, "Great one, why couldn't you have just said that two weeks ago?" Ghandi replied, "TWO WEEKS AGO, I WAS EATING SUGAR!" Now, from another posting: ALso, I went to a URL on the other side (Training), and while I DO NOT AGREE WITH THE CALORIE DEFICIT STATEMENT, AND THIS STUDY WAS WITH RUNNERS, I did get heavily flamed for my waiting to consume my (MY, JUST ME post W/O meal). Just thought this was interesting information- NOTHING MORE! What NOT to eat after exercise if you want to lose fat: If you really want to accelerate fat loss, make sure to ignore the popular recommendation to fill up with carbohydrates after you exercise. A team of researchers from Canada report that a high carbohydrate meal immediately after a workout will depress the effect that exercise normally has on your metabolic rate. After you finish training, your body continues to burn more fat calories -- sometimes for up to 48 hours. However, a high carbohydrate meal immediately following a workout appears to "dampen" this natural rise in fat burning. A group of eight men exercised on a treadmill for 60 minutes. Immediately after the workout, they consumed a milk shake that replaced the calories they burned during exercise. The men spent the next three days in a respiratory chamber, which allowed scientists to measure their metabolic rate (the things some people will do for money!). Here's what happened during the three days in the respiratory chamber: Group Fat grams burned Calories burned daily No exercise 202 grams 2016 Exercise 209 grams 2040 As you can see, there was very little difference between the exercise and no-exercise groups, both in terms of daily caloric expenditure and the total number of fat grams burned. Remember, the main factor that determines your rate of fat loss is energy balance -- the number of calories you take in must be less than the number of calories you expend. However, according to lead researcher Isabelle Dionne, "the avoidance of energy and substrate compensation after exercise is of major importance to maintaining a negative energy balance". In other words, if you want to speed up fat loss, avoid a big carbohydrate meal straight after you finish training. Reference Dionne, I., Van Vugt, S., & Tremblay, A. (1999). Postexercise macronutrient oxidation: a factor dependent on postexercise macronutrient intake. American Journal of Clinical Nutrition, 69, 927-930 And lastly, for several other points of veiw, type in "post work out meal poll" under search, and use Kurgan's #4 or page backward to that post on 5/19 DP

05-01-2002, 12:06 PM	#5
Rob_NC Registered User Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: North Carolina Posts: 1,179	Ok CD, what proof do you have? Not that I'm picking on you, but honest and published research speaks for itself.
	Artificial Intelligence is no match for Natural Stupidity.

05-01-2002, 03:05 PM	#6
Robboe Designer Supplements Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Newcastle Posts: 5,151	Proof for what? Burning fat in the presence of insulin or adding muscle in calorie deficit?
	Being held down by The Man

05-01-2002, 03:16 PM	#8
Robboe Designer Supplements Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Newcastle Posts: 5,151	When you're not cutting do you take in carbs post train, DP?
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05-01-2002, 04:41 PM	#10
Robboe Designer Supplements Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Newcastle Posts: 5,151	Good stuff.
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05-01-2002, 09:52 AM	#2
Jodi Super Moderator Super Moderator Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 22,265 Photos: 1	Usually I put a Tablespoon of Natural PB in my post W/O Shake. I know PB is not too high in carbs but is there enough that may cause a spike?

05-01-2002, 10:22 AM	#3
w8lifter Join Date: May 2001 Location: Around..... Posts: 14,964	PB is fine Mochy!

05-01-2002, 10:29 AM	#4
Robboe Designer Supplements Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Newcastle Posts: 5,151	You can still burn fat in the presence of insulin. And you can also add muscle despite being in calorie deficit, hence, i disagree with no carbs post train.
	Being held down by The Man

05-01-2002, 03:13 PM	#7
Dr. Pain Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Get the Duct Tape...I'm Ripped Again! Posts: 11,239	The key words would be "high insulin", what we come to think of as surges, and in the extreme case of hyperinsulinemia, fat burning stops cold. When surges are supressed and insulin is low and stabilized, lipolysis occurs (fat burning or oxidation), so semantically, TCD is correct! In reference to the topic, I would disagree with his statement! DP

05-01-2002, 03:23 PM	#9
Dr. Pain Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Get the Duct Tape...I'm Ripped Again! Posts: 11,239	It varies, from about 12 to 44, I'm very IR with carbs, yet an excellent fat oxidizer. I can actually achieve a "food pump" from 50-55 P, 12-44 C and 15-20 F, adding LBM slowly but steadily, with minimal BF! DP

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