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[CowPimp]

Honestly, can I really bulk w/o gaining fat?

I want some people to comment in here. The people I'm arguing with don't know what the proper definition of maintenance calories is.

[MCx2]

Jesus Christ, that's like Abbott and Costello's "Who's on first". I'm not even gonna touch this one.

[CowPimp]

Jesus Christ, that's like Abbott and Costello's "Who's on first". I'm not even gonna touch this one.

Haha. It's pretty simply, Mike just has a totally off definition of maintenance caloric intake he is using. I don't know where he got it, but he is so sure that it's right when everyone else in the thread is using a different definition.

[TJ Cline]

The only problem is the terms have more than one meaning.....if you say bulk you will get 3-4 definitions of what it is. I see a bulk as a quick weight gain diet that will give yiou fat and muscle gain.....and most people see the term this way in the BB world.

[CowPimp]

The only problem is the terms have more than one meaning.....if you say bulk you will get 3-4 definitions of what it is. I see a bulk as a quick weight gain diet that will give yiou fat and muscle gain.....and most people see the term this way in the BB world.

That's why I use the term clean bulk to differentiate.

[tucker01]

Eating at maintenence is to maintain your bodyweight (which is the total of fat+lbm). If you maintain your bodyfat and increase LBM as you are suggesting, then you are not doing maintenence. You are doing a body re-composition. i.e. you are changing the composition of your lbm to fat ratio.

In order to grow lbm, you need to be in caloric excess. You cannot control nutrient partionining. I.e. you cannot control to which destination your body will send ingested calories. But you can optomise those cals for lbm growth with proper nutrient timing.

And yes, i read the other thread

Pretty much sums it up

[fufu]

I can't believe that thread reached up to 80 replies.

It is just so simple, I don't see what is not to understand.