Thread: Is it best to limit fruits...

2-3 pieces a day is all that you need.

Fruit doesn't generally spike your insulin. All sugar is not created equal. Fructose is actually very low GI, and the glycemic load for most pieces of fruit is pretty reasonable. Of course, not all fruits contain purely fructose, but most fruits are very reasonable in terms of an insulin response.

I think there's nothing wrong with a few servings daily. What's "A LOT?"

3 bananas, a mango, and a bowl of cherries sounds about right.

Originally Posted by Jodi

2-3 pieces a day is all that you need.

Thanks. I can certainly handle that. I love fruits, but veggies, not so much...

Abit OT, but you talk about an insulin spike being the devil. i guess you're abit afraid of it because you're on a cut? but even so, going on a diet without an insulin / carbs is not only crazy but darned hard to manage in my opinion. Get your fix of carbs after a big workout yeah, insulin MAY be the hormone responsible for the storage of fat, but it also increases protein synthesis and prevents catabolization of ... well fat but more importantly protein!

Also i believe even a sharp insulin spike will only store minimal fat after a hard workout as your body is more interested in storing it as glycogen, and the bonus of it outweighs the negative of going on some hypoglycemia inducing pseudo-atkins diet .

Originally Posted by Valias

Abit OT, but you talk about an insulin spike being the devil. i guess you're abit afraid of it because you're on a cut? but even so, going on a diet without an insulin / carbs is not only crazy but darned hard to manage in my opinion. Get your fix of carbs after a big workout yeah, insulin MAY be the hormone responsible for the storage of fat, but it also increases protein synthesis and prevents catabolization of ... well fat but more importantly protein!

Also i believe even a sharp insulin spike will only store minimal fat after a hard workout as your body is more interested in storing it as glycogen, and the bonus of it outweighs the negative of going on some hypoglycemia inducing pseudo-atkins diet .

Fruits are my friend... I love them man. Nothing against insulin either. I know it's actually very anabolic. I had just done a little reading and wanted to learn more. Fat loss focused...

Fruits are good but don't overdo it. It would be wise to eat them mostly earlier in the day while cutting. Stick to veggies at night.

i like grapes(green), apples(green), and bananas(in shakes)

Fruit is natural sugar so it's ok. It's also loaded with fiber, living enzymes, and vitamins so you should eat as much as you want if you wanna lose weight.

Originally Posted by 911=InsideJob

Fruit is natural sugar so it's ok. It's also loaded with fiber, living enzymes, and vitamins so you should eat as much as you want if you wanna lose weight.

Bullshit

Originally Posted by 911=InsideJob

Fruit is natural sugar so it's ok. It's also loaded with fiber, living enzymes, and vitamins so you should eat as much as you want if you wanna lose weight.

Ok, I am noticing some contradictions here.

You say it is ok to have plenty because it is "natural". So because something is natural means it is safe and fine for you? Hardly. Here is something from a link you gave me earlier.

"Manufacturers also hide MSG as part of "natural flavorings," because it is a natural product. But being natural is not the same as being harmless."

- http://www.naturodoc.com/library/nutrition/MSG.htm

"Natural flavorings" is just a name. The key word in that is 'flavoring'.

Rich Franklin said it best, "if it doesnt grow, or if it doesnt eat anything that grows, dont eat it".

Originally Posted by 911=InsideJob

"Natural flavorings" is just a name. The key word in that is 'flavoring'.

Rich Franklin said it best, "if it doesnt grow, or if it doesnt eat anything that grows, dont eat it".

It came from a naturally occuring product.

Again, another thing you posted. -

"Kombu, a seaweed, was first used in Japan as a flavor enhancer. A Japanese doctor isolated the main ingredient -- MSG, or monosodium glutamate -- and started what has become a million-dollar industry."

There are natural fruit flavorings. Examples - lemon, lime, and orange zest. Yes they are natural and even fruit - like you said were ok. Due to to the fact that is a "flavoring" means it isn't safe or natural? Please. You are digging yourself deeper into condradictions.

Originally Posted by Tough Old Man

Bullshit

For once I actually agree!

Originally Posted by fufu

It came from a naturally occuring product.

Again, another thing you posted. -

"Kombu, a seaweed, was first used in Japan as a flavor enhancer. A Japanese doctor isolated the main ingredient -- MSG, or monosodium glutamate -- and started what has become a million-dollar industry."

There are natural fruit flavorings. Examples - lemon, lime, and orange zest. Yes they are natural and even fruit - like you said were ok. Due to to the fact that is a "flavoring" means it isn't safe or natural? Please. You are digging yourself deeper into condradictions.

Do you know what a natural flavoring is? Read the article more carefully, its stuff added to food to make it taste like something. Like if you drink strawberry soda do you think they actually use strawberries? No, they use a 'natural flavoring' to make it taste that way.

Originally Posted by Jodi

For once I actually agree!

So you agree that fruits should be limited?

Natural flavorings can have several meanings. Back to the point though. You claimed eating lots of fruit is fine because the sugar is "natural". There are plenty of things that are natural that are horrible for you. Just saying it is ok because it is natural is a cop out. Catch my drift?

Originally Posted by fufu

Natural flavorings can have several meanings. Back to the point though. You claimed eating lots of fruit is fine because the sugar is "natural". There are plenty of things that are natural that are horrible for you. Just saying it is ok because it is natural is a cop out. Catch my drift?

Yes. Yes, I do. But fruits are arguably the most healthiest food in the world you feel me? What I'm saying is that something like that shouldn't be limited.

And as far as 'natural flavorings' go, that name is misleading and it only has one meaning. And that's that it's a chemical added to something to give it a certain taste.

Originally Posted by 911=InsideJob

Yes. Yes, I do. But fruits are arguably the most healthiest food in the world you feel me? What I'm saying is that something like that shouldn't be limited.

- Agreed. I do believe they should be limited though to a point. Too much of anything will rear adverse effects.



And as far as 'natural flavorings' go, that name is misleading and it only has one meaning. And that's that it's a chemical added to something to give it a certain taste.

Still not quite with you here. It is likely the world of soft drinks however.

Think of 'natural flavorings' like this. Look at the ingredients of BBQ chips you'll see it says 'natural flavorings', do you think they poor BBQ sauce on it? The answer is no. Its just that calling it natural flavoring sounds a lot better than 'a chemical added to taste like BBQ'. Same goes with different soda flavors, they dont add fruit to any of them.

Originally Posted by 911=InsideJob

Yes. Yes, I do. But fruits are arguably the most healthiest food in the world you feel me? What I'm saying is that something like that shouldn't be limited.

What do you mean they shouldn't be limited? If you're trying to lose fat, just about everything is to be limited. It can be the healthiest food in the world but if someone eats a ton of fruit everyday, how much fat are they going to lose?

Exeptions to this are most veggies which you pretty much can eat as much as you want. Not fruits.

Originally Posted by Favre

What do you mean they shouldn't be limited? If you're trying to lose fat, just about everything is to be limited. It can be the healthiest food in the world but if someone eats a ton of fruit everyday, how much fat are they going to lose?

Exeptions to this are most veggies which you pretty much can eat as much as you want. Not fruits.

Well...can't argue with you there...

Talk about going OT and hi-jacking the thread heh!

Originally Posted by Favre

Fruits are good but don't overdo it. It would be wise to eat them mostly earlier in the day while cutting. Stick to veggies at night.

Sounds about right. Thanks bro.

Originally Posted by Valias

Talk about going OT and hi-jacking the thread heh!

Na man it's cool. As long as everybody's learning that's all that matters...

Hmm, I eat this bowl of various fruits from Publix from time to time with my lunch. I am thinking its overkill, but its the smallest they have. Its slightly bigger than the palm of my hand, but it expands to the top. Hmm, maybe an 8"-7" top? I hope thats not too much.

It has apples, grapes, strawberrys, watermelon, pineapple, and cantalope (sp?).

Originally Posted by AKIRA

Hmm, I eat this bowl of various fruits from Publix from time to time with my lunch. I am thinking its overkill, but its the smallest they have. Its slightly bigger than the palm of my hand, but it expands to the top. Hmm, maybe an 8"-7" top? I hope thats not too much.

It has apples, grapes, strawberrys, watermelon, pineapple, and cantalope (sp?).

That's a lot, but sounds good to me...

Fruits are not magical. They should not be used in excess because that means implementing a lesser amount of foods from other groups, which also have important nutrients in them that fruits don't have.