End of Contest dieting -- What to do

musclepump · 09-01-2006, 03:15 PM

So anyone who has seen my journal (probably not many) know I'm fucked with only two weeks left to go. I don't know what my bodyfat is as the last time I had it checked was a few weeks ago at 8%; I honestly don't think I've changed much since then for whatever reason.

Anyway, my question is how should I go about the diet? I have nothing to lose. I'm eating 2,400 calories a day right now and cardio twice a day at 40 minutes a pop. I don't even care at this point if I lose some muscle to shed the fat, because not doing the show at all is worse than coming in smooth to me. Too long of prep to go out with not even stepping on stage.

Another question, off diet but I want to keep it in the same thread, is should I just go nuts on the cardio (two hours a day maybe?) to try and force the fat off?

Of course I don't blame anyone but myself for this; I'm inexperienced in contest dieting (this is only my third show) and I was gone two weeks for the WSOP and another week in California, and another week in Canada. That's four weeks of improvising out of a 16 week diet. So, flame away, but if anyone has any helpful advice with only fifteen days to go, I'm happy to hear it.

PWGriffin · 09-01-2006, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by musclepump

So anyone who has seen my journal (probably not many) know I'm fucked with only two weeks left to go. I don't know what my bodyfat is as the last time I had it checked was a few weeks ago at 8%; I honestly don't think I've changed much since then for whatever reason.

Anyway, my question is how should I go about the diet? I have nothing to lose. I'm eating 2,400 calories a day right now and cardio twice a day at 40 minutes a pop. I don't even care at this point if I lose some muscle to shed the fat, because not doing the show at all is worse than coming in smooth to me. Too long of prep to go out with not even stepping on stage.

Another question, off diet but I want to keep it in the same thread, is should I just go nuts on the cardio (two hours a day maybe?) to try and force the fat off?

Of course I don't blame anyone but myself for this; I'm inexperienced in contest dieting (this is only my third show) and I was gone two weeks for the WSOP and another week in California, and another week in Canada. That's four weeks of improvising out of a 16 week diet. So, flame away, but if anyone has any helpful advice with only fifteen days to go, I'm happy to hear it.

Damn that sux man. I actually was going to bump ur old thread on contest dieting to ask how it was going. I assumed since you hadn't posted again in that thread that it was going better....sorry to hear that it's not.

Have you experimented with cutting the calories lower while maintaining meal frequency?? Are you doing HIIT cardio? Cuz if you can do 2 hours of that shit you are a freakin monster.

musclepump · 09-01-2006, 10:05 PM

No, no HIT this time. I feel after having done that for the last shows, I lost too much muscle with that.

**calalily1972** · 09-01-2006, 11:08 PM

I would lower your calories before you throw in that much cardio. The lower cals, your body will adjust but if you do all that cardio you are risking your health in a bad way. You are putting yourself at a severe risk of getting ill and then you can just kiss this whole competition idea goodbye.

I hate to tell you but if you are at 8% still, it's very unlikely that you are going to lose enough fat in time no matter how much cardio you do or eating less etc.... IMO, I would re-evaluate and cut your losses now. First, check your bf%.

TJ Cline · 09-01-2006, 11:14 PM

To be honest I did the same thing for my first show and the mistake I made till the end was starving muscle and still holding fat. I would hit 0 to 20 carbs a day ( might hit a 100 carb day once a week at this point) and cals at 2500+ till 2 or 3 days out then carb up.

musclepump · 09-02-2006, 03:07 PM

I think I'm going to do the combo there. I'm dropping 300 calories off and going no carb, as well as doing cardio first thing in the morning on an empty stomach.

**calalily1972** · 09-02-2006, 03:10 PM

You are asking for trouble. Hey, it's your body, not mine. Sometimes you have to listen to your body and when it's telling you to fuck off, there is usually good reason for that. Don't listen to it, and you will become ill.

musclepump · 09-02-2006, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Jodi

You are asking for trouble. Hey, it's your body, not mine. Sometimes you have to listen to your body and when it's telling you to fuck off, there is usually good reason for that. Don't listen to it, and you will become ill.

Sometimes you have to at least try. I may fail; I may get sick and not even be able to stand let alone pose, but you know what? It would suck a whole lot more to not even try after training and dieting this long.

**calalily1972** · 09-02-2006, 03:54 PM

No you wouldn't. You would suck for pushing yourself into sickness and possibly permenant illness. That's just plain stupidity and at that point your not looked at as "well, at least he tried" more like "what the hell was he thinking, is he an idiot or something?" I'm just trying to show you that you don't have to kill yourself for this. There are more competitions.

musclepump · 09-02-2006, 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Jodi

No you wouldn't. You would suck for pushing yourself into sickness and possibly permenant illness. That's just plain stupidity and at that point your not looked at as "well, at least he tried" more like "what the hell was he thinking, is he an idiot or something?" I'm just trying to show you that you don't have to kill yourself for this. There are more competitions.

I guess if you're the type of person who gives up on something, then that's the way to think of it. I'm not. I fucked up, yeah, I admit that, but I'll do whatever I can until the last minute to try.

Obviously we have very different mentalities. But thanks for the concern.

Tough Old Man · 09-02-2006, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by musclepump

So anyone who has seen my journal (probably not many) know I'm fucked with only two weeks left to go. I don't know what my bodyfat is as the last time I had it checked was a few weeks ago at 8%; I honestly don't think I've changed much since then for whatever reason.

Anyway, my question is how should I go about the diet? I have nothing to lose. I'm eating 2,400 calories a day right now and cardio twice a day at 40 minutes a pop. I don't even care at this point if I lose some muscle to shed the fat, because not doing the show at all is worse than coming in smooth to me. Too long of prep to go out with not even stepping on stage.

Another question, off diet but I want to keep it in the same thread, is should I just go nuts on the cardio (two hours a day maybe?) to try and force the fat off?

Of course I don't blame anyone but myself for this; I'm inexperienced in contest dieting (this is only my third show) and I was gone two weeks for the WSOP and another week in California, and another week in Canada. That's four weeks of improvising out of a 16 week diet. So, flame away, but if anyone has any helpful advice with only fifteen days to go, I'm happy to hear it.

Spend those days trying to qualify for next yrs WSOP main event.

musclepump · 09-02-2006, 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Tough Old Man

Spend those days trying to qualify for next yrs WSOP main event.

Already in

Tough Old Man · 09-02-2006, 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by musclepump

Already in

Your playing right now or you hit another spot for next yr already. There beating me up right now on poker stars. I have some good hands and that fucking river keeps taking me down.

musclepump · 09-02-2006, 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Tough Old Man

Your playing right now or you hit another spot for next yr already. There beating me up right now on poker stars. I have some good hands and that fucking river keeps taking me down.

Already hit for next year.

Get off Stars. There's much easier money elsewhere! bet365.com and poker.com are both donkilicious

Trouble · 09-03-2006, 02:56 PM

PM me. There is more than one way to skin a cat. As usual, Foreman gave good insight into the metabolic/fat partitioning problem.

**calalily1972** · 09-03-2006, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by musclepump

I guess if you're the type of person who gives up on something, then that's the way to think of it. I'm not. I fucked up, yeah, I admit that, but I'll do whatever I can until the last minute to try.

Obviously we have very different mentalities. But thanks for the concern.

I didn't get this far in life by giving up. Except I am smart about it and know when not to injure myself. I was trying show concern but apparantly you don't see that. It would be IMPOSSIBLE for you to compete at a low level of bodyfat right now. It's not going to happen and you are only going to make yourself sick.

**calalily1972** · 09-03-2006, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Trouble

PM me. There is more than one way to skin a cat. As usual, Foreman gave good insight into the metabolic/fat partitioning problem.

Starving yourself is good advice? Since when?

Unless he does shit like a cycle of DNP, T3, while starving his body and doing copious amounts of cardio (which would kill him anyway), it's impossible.

TJ Cline · 09-03-2006, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Jodi

Starving yourself is good advice? Since when?

Unless he does shit like a cycle of DNP, T3, while starving his body and doing copious amounts of cardio (which would kill him anyway), it's impossible.

#1 on his other thread I told him to eat big for a few days, I think he was 3-4 weeks out then.

#2 now at only 2 weeks out I told him to do low to 0 carbs for the next 10 days......big deal, it's not like I told him to do it for 8 months like Adkins does

**calalily1972** · 09-03-2006, 04:00 PM

1. I saw that in the other thread

2. I agree it's not going to be a big deal, never said it was. I don't see trouble's connection with your post and it being a metabolic/partitioning problem. That's why I questioned her.

Regardless, a zero carb diet for 2 weeks is not going to make him lose 4% bodyfat.

TJ Cline · 09-03-2006, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Jodi

1. I saw that in the other thread

2. I agree it's not going to be a big deal, never said it was. I don't see trouble's connection with your post and it being a metabolic/partitioning problem. That's why I questioned her.

Regardless, a zero carb diet for 2 weeks is not going to make him lose 4% bodyfat.

You are just trying to keep me down Jodi

musclepump · 09-03-2006, 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Jodi

I didn't get this far in life by giving up. Except I am smart about it and know when not to injure myself. I was trying show concern but apparantly you don't see that. It would be IMPOSSIBLE for you to compete at a low level of bodyfat right now. It's not going to happen and you are only going to make yourself sick.

I'm sure I'm below 8; maybe not at 5, but maybe 6, 6 1/2, I don't know. I'll go get it checked on Tuesday, we'll see.

And I did see the concern; did you notice where I thanked you for it? Oh, apparently not.

**calalily1972** · 09-03-2006, 11:45 PM

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Originally Posted by ForemanRules

You are just trying to keep me down Jodi

No I'm not

09-01-2006, 10:05 PM	#3
musclepump Celebrity PersonalTrainer Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,669 Photos: 128	No, no HIT this time. I feel after having done that for the last shows, I lost too much muscle with that. Let's all join together and SPEAK ENGLISH IN AMERICA.

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musclepump Celebrity PersonalTrainer Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,669 Photos: 128	I think I'm going to do the combo there. I'm dropping 300 calories off and going no carb, as well as doing cardio first thing in the morning on an empty stomach. Let's all join together and SPEAK ENGLISH IN AMERICA.

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09-01-2006, 03:15 PM	#1
musclepump Celebrity PersonalTrainer Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,669 Photos: 128	End of Contest dieting -- What to do So anyone who has seen my journal (probably not many) know I'm fucked with only two weeks left to go. I don't know what my bodyfat is as the last time I had it checked was a few weeks ago at 8%; I honestly don't think I've changed much since then for whatever reason. Anyway, my question is how should I go about the diet? I have nothing to lose. I'm eating 2,400 calories a day right now and cardio twice a day at 40 minutes a pop. I don't even care at this point if I lose some muscle to shed the fat, because not doing the show at all is worse than coming in smooth to me. Too long of prep to go out with not even stepping on stage. Another question, off diet but I want to keep it in the same thread, is should I just go nuts on the cardio (two hours a day maybe?) to try and force the fat off? Of course I don't blame anyone but myself for this; I'm inexperienced in contest dieting (this is only my third show) and I was gone two weeks for the WSOP and another week in California, and another week in Canada. That's four weeks of improvising out of a 16 week diet. So, flame away, but if anyone has any helpful advice with only fifteen days to go, I'm happy to hear it. Let's all join together and SPEAK ENGLISH IN AMERICA.

09-01-2006, 11:08 PM	#4
calalily1972 Moderator Moderator Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 22,438 Photos: 1	I would lower your calories before you throw in that much cardio. The lower cals, your body will adjust but if you do all that cardio you are risking your health in a bad way. You are putting yourself at a severe risk of getting ill and then you can just kiss this whole competition idea goodbye. I hate to tell you but if you are at 8% still, it's very unlikely that you are going to lose enough fat in time no matter how much cardio you do or eating less etc.... IMO, I would re-evaluate and cut your losses now. First, check your bf%.

09-01-2006, 11:14 PM	#5
TJ Cline Member Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,545	To be honest I did the same thing for my first show and the mistake I made till the end was starving muscle and still holding fat. I would hit 0 to 20 carbs a day ( might hit a 100 carb day once a week at this point) and cals at 2500+ till 2 or 3 days out then carb up.

09-02-2006, 03:10 PM	#7
calalily1972 Moderator Moderator Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 22,438 Photos: 1	You are asking for trouble. Hey, it's your body, not mine. Sometimes you have to listen to your body and when it's telling you to fuck off, there is usually good reason for that. Don't listen to it, and you will become ill.

09-02-2006, 03:54 PM	#9
calalily1972 Moderator Moderator Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 22,438 Photos: 1	No you wouldn't. You would suck for pushing yourself into sickness and possibly permenant illness. That's just plain stupidity and at that point your not looked at as "well, at least he tried" more like "what the hell was he thinking, is he an idiot or something?" I'm just trying to show you that you don't have to kill yourself for this. There are more competitions.

09-03-2006, 02:56 PM	#15
Trouble Anti-mediocrity Elite Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: On Loan From A Distant Star System Posts: 2,076 Photos: 2	PM me. There is more than one way to skin a cat. As usual, Foreman gave good insight into the metabolic/fat partitioning problem.

09-03-2006, 04:00 PM	#19
calalily1972 Moderator Moderator Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 22,438 Photos: 1	1. I saw that in the other thread 2. I agree it's not going to be a big deal, never said it was. I don't see trouble's connection with your post and it being a metabolic/partitioning problem. That's why I questioned her. Regardless, a zero carb diet for 2 weeks is not going to make him lose 4% bodyfat.