W8, Dp - Can You Tell Me Please...

cytrix · 05-11-2002, 12:06 AM

I WOULD LIKE TO GET SOME INFO ON HOW TO EAT TO STAY LEAN AND CONTINUE TO GET BIGGER, EVEN IF SLOWER THAN ON A REGULAR BULKING DIET. I AM DOING THE HIGH PROTEIN/MOD. FAT/LOW CARB DIET RIGHT NOW THAT I GOT FROM YOU (BEVERLY), AND IT'S GOING GREAT. BUT, I WANT TO STAY LEAN AFTER THAT, AND NOT HAVE TO GAIN AND LOOSE FAT AGAIN. I AM SURE, YOU POSTED ON THIS, CAN YOU PLEASE GIVE ME A LNK OR SO? THANX AGAIN!!!

Dr. Pain · 05-11-2002, 12:18 AM

Will answer in depth tomorrow, bedtime now! Basicaly think in 3-5 week seqments, always changing things up so that the body doesn't have time to adapt! also we can talk about mini-cycles?

We try to change things like meal frequency, macronutrients, sometimes just the types and quantity of fats! There are a lot of tricks!

W8 has put a good meal plan of mine derived from Beverly somewhere around here..see you in the morning!

DP

w8lifter · 05-11-2002, 07:05 AM

Bulking w/ slow burners (Bulking w/ Slow Burners)

Dr. Pain · 05-11-2002, 07:51 AM

Thanks Babe!

Did you bring Male Plan 1 and 2 over? One is a hardening diet I use between cuts?

DP

w8lifter · 05-11-2002, 07:56 AM

This one? (Male Cutting Plan...Meals)

Dr. Pain · 05-11-2002, 07:58 AM

Yes!

OMG, you GIVE such GOOD link!

DP

w8lifter · 05-11-2002, 08:12 AM

...I'm the best...I give professional...'linkers' tips ya know

Dr. Pain · 05-11-2002, 08:26 AM

YOU ARE THE BEST! Mmmmm

DP

cytrix · 05-11-2002, 05:24 PM

thanx so much for your replies, do u have a link to a source where u got all your knowledge regarding this from? is there a book u can refer? i really want to get this right in the future.

w8lifter · 05-11-2002, 05:40 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by cytrix
thanx so much for your replies, do u have a link to a source where u got all your knowledge regarding this from? is there a book u can refer? i really want to get this right in the future.

We're in the midst of writing the book now, we'll let you know when we finish it

Body by Pain

lina · 05-12-2002, 08:29 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by w8lifter

We're in the midst of writing the book now, we'll let you know when we finish it

Body by Pain

To sell a book successfully we need pictures, lots of pictures, attractive pictures....who better than w8.
So how bout this title: "Body by Pain, illustrations by w8"

w8lifter · 05-12-2002, 08:32 AM

Ooooh, I like that

Dr. Pain · 05-12-2002, 09:17 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by lina

To sell a book successfully we need pictures, lots of pictures, attractive pictures....who better than w8.
So how bout this title: "Body by Pain, illustrations by w8"

W8 Baby, you've got ATTRACTIVE covered......and I've got you COVERED!

DP

w8lifter · 05-12-2002, 09:41 AM

BBP, here we cum

cytrix · 05-12-2002, 03:02 PM

i'll definitely buy ur book - but in the meantime, any other suggestions for more info on this? how do u know this all??

cytrix · 05-12-2002, 03:13 PM

would u say, that u have to eat more cals to gain muscle, and that this in impossible w/o also a small fat gain, making a cutting phase necessary, or could u gain muscle w/o any fat gain, if u get the amount of extra cals exactly right? i know, i like to get into details and make things complicated sometimes

Dr. Pain · 05-12-2002, 04:53 PM

I call it Recomposition, and yes it is possible! I myself, and scores I have advised have acomplished this.

Think for a second, if your on "Maintenance" calories, with the appropriate Macronutrient ratios, it is very conceivable that you could add LBM and lose a similar amount of BF, w/o a change in BW.

One can also add LBM ever so slowly that fat gain is kept to a minimum, the more LBM, the higher that person's metabolism, the easier it becomes to oxidize BF!

You have partially answered your own question, it's an individualistic thing, far more critical to get the macros, frequency and portions right, and then the calories will fall where they may!

However, if I tell you all of the "secrets" we will never sell as many books!

DP

cytrix · 05-12-2002, 06:38 PM

when will the book be ready??? and, what am i to do in the meantime???

cytrix · 05-14-2002, 11:13 PM

DP AND W8, CAN U PLEEEAASE TELL ME WHERE I CAN LEARN MORE ABOUT ALL THE LOW CARB STUFF??? THANX A MILLION!!

Dr. Pain · 05-15-2002, 06:54 AM

Saw this last night, and thought about it. We can send you to the Beverly International site and you can read through their archives....or I can suggest a book by Jay Robb, "Fat Burning Nutrtuion.".....etc.

But when I though about it, I thought that would only give you info and not really tell you how to apply it, and change with it!

So what you asking for comes from years of experience, trial and error, on ourselves and countless others..........and although we can take certain liberties with general somatotypes, metabolisms and BWs........this "science" is applied on a case by case basis with extreme flexibility!

DPW8

05-11-2002, 12:06 AM	#1
cytrix Registered User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: chicago, il , usa Posts: 287	W8, Dp - Can You Tell Me Please... I WOULD LIKE TO GET SOME INFO ON HOW TO EAT TO STAY LEAN AND CONTINUE TO GET BIGGER, EVEN IF SLOWER THAN ON A REGULAR BULKING DIET. I AM DOING THE HIGH PROTEIN/MOD. FAT/LOW CARB DIET RIGHT NOW THAT I GOT FROM YOU (BEVERLY), AND IT'S GOING GREAT. BUT, I WANT TO STAY LEAN AFTER THAT, AND NOT HAVE TO GAIN AND LOOSE FAT AGAIN. I AM SURE, YOU POSTED ON THIS, CAN YOU PLEASE GIVE ME A LNK OR SO? THANX AGAIN!!!

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05-11-2002, 12:18 AM	#2
Dr. Pain Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Get the Duct Tape...I'm Ripped Again! Posts: 11,239	Will answer in depth tomorrow, bedtime now! Basicaly think in 3-5 week seqments, always changing things up so that the body doesn't have time to adapt! also we can talk about mini-cycles? We try to change things like meal frequency, macronutrients, sometimes just the types and quantity of fats! There are a lot of tricks! W8 has put a good meal plan of mine derived from Beverly somewhere around here..see you in the morning! DP

05-11-2002, 07:05 AM	#3
w8lifter Join Date: May 2001 Location: Around..... Posts: 14,964	Bulking w/ slow burners (Bulking w/ Slow Burners)

05-11-2002, 07:51 AM	#4
Dr. Pain Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Get the Duct Tape...I'm Ripped Again! Posts: 11,239	Thanks Babe! Did you bring Male Plan 1 and 2 over? One is a hardening diet I use between cuts? DP

05-11-2002, 07:56 AM	#5
w8lifter Join Date: May 2001 Location: Around..... Posts: 14,964	This one? (Male Cutting Plan...Meals)

05-11-2002, 07:58 AM	#6
Dr. Pain Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Get the Duct Tape...I'm Ripped Again! Posts: 11,239	Yes! OMG, you GIVE such GOOD link! DP

05-11-2002, 08:12 AM	#7
w8lifter Join Date: May 2001 Location: Around..... Posts: 14,964	...I'm the best...I give professional...'linkers' tips ya know

05-11-2002, 08:26 AM	#8
Dr. Pain Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Get the Duct Tape...I'm Ripped Again! Posts: 11,239	YOU ARE THE BEST! Mmmmm DP

05-11-2002, 05:24 PM	#9
cytrix Registered User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: chicago, il , usa Posts: 287	thanx so much for your replies, do u have a link to a source where u got all your knowledge regarding this from? is there a book u can refer? i really want to get this right in the future.

05-12-2002, 08:32 AM	#12
w8lifter Join Date: May 2001 Location: Around..... Posts: 14,964	Ooooh, I like that

05-12-2002, 09:41 AM	#14
w8lifter Join Date: May 2001 Location: Around..... Posts: 14,964	BBP, here we cum

05-12-2002, 03:02 PM	#15
cytrix Registered User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: chicago, il , usa Posts: 287	i'll definitely buy ur book - but in the meantime, any other suggestions for more info on this? how do u know this all??

05-12-2002, 03:13 PM	#16
cytrix Registered User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: chicago, il , usa Posts: 287	would u say, that u have to eat more cals to gain muscle, and that this in impossible w/o also a small fat gain, making a cutting phase necessary, or could u gain muscle w/o any fat gain, if u get the amount of extra cals exactly right? i know, i like to get into details and make things complicated sometimes

05-12-2002, 04:53 PM	#17
Dr. Pain Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Get the Duct Tape...I'm Ripped Again! Posts: 11,239	I call it Recomposition, and yes it is possible! I myself, and scores I have advised have acomplished this. Think for a second, if your on "Maintenance" calories, with the appropriate Macronutrient ratios, it is very conceivable that you could add LBM and lose a similar amount of BF, w/o a change in BW. One can also add LBM ever so slowly that fat gain is kept to a minimum, the more LBM, the higher that person's metabolism, the easier it becomes to oxidize BF! You have partially answered your own question, it's an individualistic thing, far more critical to get the macros, frequency and portions right, and then the calories will fall where they may! However, if I tell you all of the "secrets" we will never sell as many books! DP

05-12-2002, 06:38 PM	#18
cytrix Registered User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: chicago, il , usa Posts: 287	when will the book be ready??? and, what am i to do in the meantime???

05-14-2002, 11:13 PM	#19
cytrix Registered User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: chicago, il , usa Posts: 287	DP AND W8, CAN U PLEEEAASE TELL ME WHERE I CAN LEARN MORE ABOUT ALL THE LOW CARB STUFF??? THANX A MILLION!!

05-15-2002, 06:54 AM	#20
Dr. Pain Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Get the Duct Tape...I'm Ripped Again! Posts: 11,239	Saw this last night, and thought about it. We can send you to the Beverly International site and you can read through their archives....or I can suggest a book by Jay Robb, "Fat Burning Nutrtuion.".....etc. But when I though about it, I thought that would only give you info and not really tell you how to apply it, and change with it! So what you asking for comes from years of experience, trial and error, on ourselves and countless others..........and although we can take certain liberties with general somatotypes, metabolisms and BWs........this "science" is applied on a case by case basis with extreme flexibility! DPW8