Thread: Confused.

Anybody care to explain? What results have people seen by having carbs late at night and not...

Just try it for a couple of weeks and see what it's doing for you. I usually do cottage cheese and pb at night.... if I throw carbs in the mix it keeps me up

There's no right answer to this question and you'll get answers all over the map, so the best thing to do is take a position and try it out.

If you're an ecto with a good metabolism it might help things on a bulk. As an endo, depending on glucose tolerance it's iffy

Carbs at night is fine just as long as you dont mind putting on some weight. Either way Carbs at dinner time are fine, imo. But as bed time rolls around I wouldnt take in to many carbs either way. I like almonds and some steak before bed.

Carbs "eaten" after 5:37 pm Eastern (or 4:37 depending on daylight savings time) are immediately converted into sugar and "absorbed" into "adipose tissue" (fat). After you fall asleep, while these "sugars" work their way through the adipose tissue, they double in calories because your "fat burning mechanisms" are also asleep.

The reason why you might have trouble sleeping is because the body is very adept, and it senses this. In order to turn your "metabolism" back on, it tries to "wake up."

Ultimately, it depends on your goals.

Originally Posted by Twin Peak

Carbs "eaten" after 5:37 pm Eastern (or 4:37 depending on daylight savings time) are immediately converted into sugar and "absorbed" into "adipose tissue" (fat). After you fall asleep, while these "sugars" work their way through the adipose tissue, they double in calories because your "fat burning mechanisms" are also asleep.

It's all so clear now.

Originally Posted by Twin Peak

Carbs "eaten" after 5:37 pm Eastern (or 4:37 depending on daylight savings time) are immediately converted into sugar and "absorbed" into "adipose tissue" (fat). After you fall asleep, while these "sugars" work their way through the adipose tissue, they double in calories because your "fat burning mechanisms" are also asleep.

The reason why you might have trouble sleeping is because the body is very adept, and it senses this. In order to turn your "metabolism" back on, it tries to "wake up."

Ultimately, it depends on your goals.

I bet many people have already taken you seriously?

Times like that I often wonder if he was kidding or if he actually thought that!

Originally Posted by Double D

Times like that I often wonder if he was kidding or if he actually thought that!

TP has a different sense of humor

I knew he was kiddin, but didnt know if the person who asked did?

Originally Posted by Twin Peak

Carbs "eaten" after 5:37 pm Eastern (or 4:37 depending on daylight savings time) are immediately converted into sugar and "absorbed" into "adipose tissue" (fat). After you fall asleep, while these "sugars" work their way through the adipose tissue, they double in calories because your "fat burning mechanisms" are also asleep.

The reason why you might have trouble sleeping is because the body is very adept, and it senses this. In order to turn your "metabolism" back on, it tries to "wake up."

Ultimately, it depends on your goals.

On a side note, any studies done on this ?

Evidence in female rhesus monkeys (Macaca mulatta) that nighttime caloric intake is not associated with weight gain.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...=pubmed_docsum
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q..._uids=11331430

I also remember reading something about the insulin rise affects GH release but that would probably be more dependent on the type of carbohydrate.

Check out the thread "carbs/protein, protein/fat" there's a lot of good disputes and explainations in there regarding the sleep factor as well as fat storage etc.

To give a simple more blanket explaination-

Carbs at night need to be in the smallest proportion on the CPF ratio for balancing your intake. All three are necessary all the time, and for different reasons. At night you need to have your focus on the right amount of healthy fats and couple that with a usable amount of protein. Carbs low on the glycemic index (a very small amount) are good at night as they help your body utilize the fat properly.

You'll need the protein for your body because at night there's a good amount of total body muscle repair going on. Having your carbs at absolute zero in any situation does cause your body to use stored fat for energy but it's not enough and your skeletal muscle will start getting broken down as well (not what you want).

Originally Posted by Raz

On a side note, any studies done on this ?

I recall a study where they radioactivated rice, so that it could be traced after it entered the human body. They noted that the "rice carbs" shuttled straight to muscle at 5:37, but at 5:38, the "radioactived carbs" went straight to adipose. That is how this time was determined.

It is harder to "prove" the doubling of the calories, but their was a separate study that showed that people who had deeper sleep and MORE REM time when they ate carbs gained twice as much fat!!!

Originally Posted by Twin Peak

I recall a study where they radioactivated rice, so that it could be traced after it entered the human body. They noted that the "rice carbs" shuttled straight to muscle at 5:37, but at 5:38, the "radioactived carbs" went straight to adipose. That is how this time was determined.

It is harder to "prove" the doubling of the calories, but their was a separate study that showed that people who had deeper sleep and MORE REM time when they ate carbs gained twice as much fat!!!

I recall your first post BS, so this one I'm not even going to bover with!!!

Originally Posted by Gordo

Evidence in female rhesus monkeys (Macaca mulatta) that nighttime caloric intake is not associated with weight gain.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...=pubmed_docsum
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q..._uids=11331430

I also remember reading something about the insulin rise affects GH release but that would probably be more dependent on the type of carbohydrate.

Thanks for these, it gave me a better understanding.

I am hurt and deeply wounded. I'll stop sharing my "knowledge" now.

I don't see any advantage to eating carbs before bed, but potential disadvantages seem aplenty.

What I'm kind of wondering, lets say you are gaining weight, therefore eating a surplus. If you cut out your carbs during the last two meals and have just protein instead (assuming total daily calories stay the same), do you have a better chance of putting on lean muscle mass from your surplus of calories as opposed to fat and lean mass?

I would definitly say yes. To each is own however. You give it a try first and if it doesnt work then you start by deleting more carbs.