Daily Maintenance Calories Vary Depending On Macro Nutrient Ratio - How Do We Know??

**cytrix** · 05-27-2002, 05:04 PM

THIS IS ESPECIALLY DIRECTED TOWARD DP AND W8. THE RATIO OF CARBS, PROTEIN AND FAT IN ONES DAILY DIET DETERMINE HOW MANY CALORIES ONE CAN/SHOULD CONSUME TO MAINTAIN, LOOSE OR GAIN WEIGHT, SINCE THIS IS THE REASON, A HIGHER FAT BUT VERY LOW CARB FATLOSS DIET CAUSES MUCH MORE FATLOSS THAN A HIGH CARB FATLOSS DIET WITH THE SAME CALORIES TOTAL, OR LESS FAT GAIN WHILE ON A LOW CARB BULKING DIET, VERSUS A HIGH CARB BULKING DIET. SO, HOW DO WE KNOW, I MEAN THERE WOULD HAVE TO BE DIFFERENT WAYS TO CALCULATE CALORIC NEEDS, FOR EXAMPLE FOR S.O. EATING A HIGH CARB, LOW FAT DIET VERSUS A HIGH PROTEIN, LOW CARB DIET (WHICH WE ALL AGREE ON HERE IS THE HEALTHIER WAY TO GO). I'M CONFUSED NOW.

**Prince** · 05-27-2002, 05:26 PM

why are you yelling at them?

**w8lifter** · 05-27-2002, 05:50 PM

Originally posted by Prince
why are you yelling at them?

Yes, I agree, please stop typing in caps!

Originally posted by cytrix
I'M CONFUSED NOW.

You're not the only one! I think I know what you're trying to ask butt the way you've got it written is very confusing.

Are you asking how to determine how many calories one needs when using a high fat/low carb diet?

Generally yes, you can eat more kcals on a high fat/low carb diet than you can using a high carb/low fat diet....that part I got, lol.

**cytrix** · 05-27-2002, 05:52 PM

I AM NOT YELLING AT THEM, JUST THE OPPOSITE!!! I AM SORRY IF IT SOUNDS LIKE THAT. I HAVE LEARNED SO MUCH ABOUT PROPER EATING THE LOW CARB WAY, I ONLY ADDRESSED MY QUESTION TO W8 AND DP BECAUSE THEY PROBABLY HAVE AN ANSWER TO THIS ONE. THOSE TWO ARE THE GREATEST!

**w8lifter** · 05-27-2002, 05:53 PM

It is because you are typing in CAPS, please stop, it's hard to read

**cytrix** · 05-27-2002, 05:57 PM

sorry w8, but i wrote in caps again before your reply was posted, we posted the same time, won't do it no more. thanx for your help

**Duncan** · 05-27-2002, 05:58 PM

TAKE THE CAPS LOCK OFF IT IS ANNOYING. Actually, all caps denotes yelling in this cyber world.

Anyway, to get to your question, when you choose a diet, choose one you can stick with for your life. A high fat/low carb diet is good, but as soon as you re-introduce carbs, you will gain it all back, unless you are well read on nutritional information, especially the glycemic and insulin indexes. Most people either cannot stick to a low carb diet for their entire life, or they do not bother to slowly introduce the right carbs back into their diet.

Oh, and finally, w8 is not the greatest. She is highly inferior to me in charm, poise, and sex appeal.

**cytrix** · 05-27-2002, 05:59 PM

Originally posted by w8lifter

You're not the only one! I think I know what you're trying to ask butt the way you've got it written is very confusing.

Are you asking how to determine how many calories one needs when using a high fat/low carb diet?

Generally yes, you can eat more kcals on a high fat/low carb diet than you can using a high carb/low fat diet....that part I got, lol.

yes i wanted to find out how to determine ones caloric needs while on a high protein, moderate fat, low carb/slow burning diet, since it is different then being on a high carb diet.

**cytrix** · 05-27-2002, 06:02 PM

Originally posted by Duncan
TAKE THE CAPS LOCK OFF IT IS ANNOYING. Actually, all caps denotes yelling in this cyber world.

i didn't know.

**Duncan** · 05-27-2002, 06:37 PM

No prob man. What you should do to figure out your maintenance is figure out your BMR. Then, multiply this number by your activity factor.

1.2-1.3 for Very Light (bed rest)

1.5-1.6 for Light (office work/watching TV)

1.6-1.7 for Moderate (some activity during day)

1.9-2.1 for Heavy (labor type work)

Take this number and add in your cals burned doing cardio and weight training. This would be your maintenance cals not including diet factors. The only thing you can do now is intake this calorie amount for a week and see what happens. Adjust it accordingly. There is no concrete factor to multiply to get the thermic effect of food, which is what you are looking for, since the only thing that is known for certain is that protein exerts a stronger thermic effect than carbs and fat.

P.S.-These activity factors are taken from John Berardi's Massive Eating article at www.t-mag.com

**Dr. Pain** · 05-27-2002, 06:52 PM

I'll offer another POV, butt excellent job Duncan!

Daily Maintenance is really a flexible concept, I descibed in another post recently! You see you body will adapt to small changes, and a person may be able to stabilize and maintain on say 8-22 (more or less) calories a per pound/per day. It all depends on ones metaboism, workload and thyroid function (plus other factors)

Using Higher Protein/Fat, slow burning carb nutritional programs, and I believe you are asking for a rule of thumb concerning these, we start a cut at between 12-15 kcal/pound BW. The leaner the person, the higher we go (use more kcals)

Daily Maintenance is just a hair, 200-400 calories above that for the normal person! If your stabilized at the same weight, or range for a period of time, calculate what you are eating and that is your Daily Maintenance Calories

DP

**w8lifter** · 05-27-2002, 07:03 PM

DP....8?!

My personal opinion on the kcals/lb BW.....I think that this method works well for larger people, heavier (more bodyweight) people than it does for smaller/lighter people....for instance, I can actually see someone using 10 (8's kinda pushing IMO) kcals per lb if they're like 280....but if someone were only 120lbs 10 is too low, and 8 would certainly be unacceptable.....anyway, JMO

Originally posted by Duncan
A high fat/low carb diet is good, but as soon as you re-introduce carbs, you will gain it all back,

Oh, and finally, w8 is not the greatest. She is highly inferior to me in charm, poise, and sex appeal.

Puh-leeze baby, I am too the greatest

....and it depends on the type of carbs added to the diet. If one sticks to slow-burning carbs as they should, they will not gain all the w8 back.

**Dr. Pain** · 05-27-2002, 07:13 PM

Originally posted by cytrix

Yes I wanted to find out how to determine ones caloric needs while on a high protein, moderate fat, low carb/slow burning diet, since it is different then being on a high carb diet.

The range 8-22 was for traditional programs to show the variance in individuals!

The 12-15 Kcals/#BW, plus a few hundred for maintenance, addressed the question!

(Worked for w8's BBP)

DP

**w8lifter** · 05-27-2002, 07:16 PM

Yes, you're right, the higher end

**Duncan** · 05-28-2002, 05:17 AM

Originally posted by Duncan

A high fat/low carb diet is good, but as soon as you re-introduce carbs, you will gain it all back, unless you are well read on nutritional information, especially the glycemic and insulin indexes. Most people either cannot stick to a low carb diet for their entire life, or they do not bother to slowly introduce the right carbs back into their diet.

If you truly were the greatest, you would have seen that I already discussed the right carbs. That is 1 point for me, 0 for w8. I guess I can add attention to detail as one more of the things I beat you at.

**Jane** · 05-28-2002, 04:43 PM

I am having trouble figuring out my caloric requirements...I've used several different methods that give me anywhere from 1800 to 2100. What do you guys recommend as the most accurate, trusted, proven formula?

**sawheet** · 05-28-2002, 05:05 PM

So many factors, activity level training, age I have a formula that requires a masters in math

**Jane** · 05-28-2002, 05:07 PM

I think you should post it anyway, I'm always up for a challenge.

**sawheet** · 05-28-2002, 05:09 PM

ok when I get to my office tomorrow i will send it to you

**Jane** · 05-28-2002, 05:21 PM

Great, thanks!

**sawheet** · 05-28-2002, 05:24 PM

No problem!!!

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