Gaining Size Help - Diet

**Obsidian** · 05-10-2007, 03:32 PM

Hello everyone. I am new to these boards, but I have seen a lot of people get and give really good advice over the last few weeks. I have read often and tried to put into practice some of the great advice I have seen here and below is what I have come up with.

I am really approaching my fitness in a “whole” approach. I am trying to use diet, exercise and some supplements to maximize my efforts and reach my goal. My primary goal is to reach 160 lbs by my 30th birthday. (10-1). My current weight is 141 up from 135 4 weeks ago. I don’t mind gaining some fat mass, as I know (or think I know) that that is natural when gaining mass and will work that off once I am at my target weight. This post is directed at my diet. I will create a post in the training section and the supplements section to get some feedback on those aspects as well.

I had a personal trainer for a while and his advice to me was “just eat. Don’t eat McDonalds everyday, but don’t try to eat uber-healthy. You should be eating like a football player.” I am putting down between 3000 and 3500 calories daily. I drink only one soda a day and have eliminated sweets from my diet. I do have a bit of a belly, but I don’t think that it has really gotten much bigger in the last 4 weeks when I started eating like a horse.

I am trying to be realistic with myself. I have really committed to this, but I don’t honestly think that I am at the point where I will be pre-measuring everything out on Sunday night for the entire week. I do however try to eat something at around 9am, 1pm, 4, pm, 7pm and 8pm. (Breakfast, Lunch, Snack, Shake [workout days], and dinner.

Thanks in advance for the honest feedback.

Average Calories
Total: 3000
Fat: 32%
Carbs: 42%
Protein: 20%
Alcohol: 6%

Also my Fitday food log can be found here. FitDay.com - Diet and Fitness journal for WadeWilder

**katt** · 05-10-2007, 05:50 PM

If you don't pre-measure, how are you going to know what calories your taking in? Have you read the stickies at the top of the section yet? It pretty much lines out exactly what to do....

btw - I wouldn't go back to that personal trainer..

oh, and supplements are just that - supplement to a healthy diet,,, not a cure all

**Obsidian** · 05-10-2007, 08:43 PM

Originally Posted by katt

If you don't pre-measure, how are you going to know what calories your taking in?

Well, I guess I should be clear. I don't pre-measure everything to the exact calorie. For example I go to work and order from the cafeteria in my office complex a breakfast taco, 2 cups of milk and a banana. I use fitday to help me get a pretty good idea of the calories of each and I can get a pretty good idea of how much of each item that I eat. I don't however know that everyday I am going to eat 1.25 cups of bananas and they are already in containers in the refridgerator. Maybe it is extremely important to have a 100% perfectly measured meal. That is the help that I am seeking. I am getting the impression from you that unless I know to the ounce, gram and calorie what I am eating, than I am by default eating poorly. Please let me know if I am wrong in my understanding.

Originally Posted by katt

Have you read the stickies at the top of the section yet? It pretty much lines out exactly what to do....

I have done an extensive amount of reading and certainly that includes the stickies. Those stickies are a very important part of what has helped me shape my views on what my diet should be. I think I have done a good job incorporating those ideas into my eating patterns, but I am just looking for a bit of advice from outside eyes on how my diet looks. I see the stickies as a great tool, but if that was everything, we wouldn't really need forums.

Originally Posted by katt

btw - I wouldn't go back to that personal trainer..

Why exactly is that? I have a thread on diet, supplements and exercise. He stressed that all of these have to work together. At least the diet and exercise where supplements are kinda extra. This seems to be in line with all that I have read here. I am just not exactly sure that he has instructed me with anything that is incorrect, but that is why I am here.
--edit-- I guess I should have been more clear. The trainer wasn't telling me to just eat crap. I have cut out almost all of the junk food, but he did say to focus on eating good solid calories.

Originally Posted by katt

oh, and supplements are just that - supplement to a healthy diet,,, not a cure all

I couldn't agree more, hence the threads on diet and exercise as well. I am not one of the crazy magic pill seekers looking to be the next Arnold in 2 weeks by taking a pill.

Thanks for responding. I will take all of the input and feedback that I can get.

**katt** · 05-11-2007, 09:07 AM

Originally Posted by Obsidian

Well, I guess I should be clear. I don't pre-measure everything to the exact calorie. For example I go to work and order from the cafeteria in my office complex a breakfast taco, 2 cups of milk and a banana. I use fitday to help me get a pretty good idea of the calories of each and I can get a pretty good idea of how much of each item that I eat. I don't however know that everyday I am going to eat 1.25 cups of bananas and they are already in containers in the refridgerator. Maybe it is extremely important to have a 100% perfectly measured meal. That is the help that I am seeking. I am getting the impression from you that unless I know to the ounce, gram and calorie what I am eating, than I am by default eating poorly. Please let me know if I am wrong in my understanding.

No, you're not wrong - I'm just really anal about keeping measurements on my meals. I have to, or I get thrown off track.. and bulking is certainly not as strict as cutting, so your fine - just making healthy choices works

**Plateau_Max** · 05-14-2007, 08:44 AM

I would cut down on the fat and up the protein if I were you. Protein is much more important than healthy fat in a bulking diet. Try aiming for more around 45% carbs, 35% protein, and 20% fat.

Don't eat fast food at all, not only is it full of saturated fat but it contains trans fat, bad carbs, and not nearly enough nutrients that you should be getting with fruit, veggies, and lean protein.

Bulking doesn't mean you can just eat a bunch, your diet still has to be very clean just have the focus CHANGED a bit, not reduced. So eat MORE healthy carbs, MORE healthy protein, and more overall calories.

Keep your calories even through the day like you would on a cut, but have larger portions, and make sure there's a good excess before and after your workouts.

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