Leever

I am getting my diet prepared for the next year. I know....another New Years Resoluter.... I lift and exercise regularly and do not plan on stopping. I am just changing my diet to try to lose more weight and maintain my muscle. The question that I have for everyone is, which is the better source of protein, oatmeal or eggs? I would have to have a cup of oatmeal to equal two eggs. I was thinking about changing my diet, which contains eggs in it, and switching to oameal, but I am concern about the impact it would have on lifting progressions. Any suggestions?

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KelJu

Is this a joke?

Biggly

Oatmeal is one of the few carbs that comes with protein but nothing like the level you'll get from eggs.

Personally I throw a few nuts into my oatmeal, including pecan, walnut and peanuts. That'll give you complete protein and the insulin boost to shove it into your cells.

Obviously not a good move if you're allergic to nuts



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Witchblade

I bolded the only true thing in your post... well and the last part, but who the hell is allergic to nuts.

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Biggly

Excuse me?

You don't know my eating habits so I presume you don't mean that bit, oatmeal DOES have a small amount of protein, unusual for a carb, carbs DO boost insulin, insulin DOES shove carbs (glucose) into cells and plenty of people are allergic to nuts.

Which bit did you disagree with?

Eggs don't have any carbs, and while you will get some insulin from protein you'll need a lot of eggs to get the same as a bowl of oatmeal.


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PreMier

there is protein in almost every carb source, the point is the proteins are not complete(aa profile). so oatmeal protein is a bad choice, you need a complete protein. and eggs have a small amount of carbs.. i wouldnt count them, but they are there

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gsxrK3

What food would make up for what the oats are missing?
For example I think Jodie said Brown Rice + Pinto Beans is good.
Would the oatmeal go with Rice, Beans, or something else?

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PreMier

peanuts and cashews. you could also add some milk to make it complete

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Biggly

I did say to throw some nuts in there to make it complete?

A lot of bodybuilders I've known use water, not milk. I believe the call it, correctly or not, 'gruel'.

Anyway, simply pointing out what you disagreed with would be easier and nicer than just saying everything was false.



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Biggly

Just noticed this - yeah, sure, a hard-boiled egg has almost one whole gram, maybe 2.5 calories from carbs. To a bodybuilder this will make a huge difference and should be part of your carb-cycling regime - high carb, eat eggs, low carb, no eggs...

Please.


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KelJu

Use this site people.

http://www.nal.usda.gov/fnic/foodcomp/search/


Oatmeal
Nutrient Units 2 X 0.25 cup
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Water g 1.44
Energy kcal 97
Energy kj 407
Protein g 3.19
Total lipid (fat) g 1.95
Carbohydrate, by difference g 16.99


So 1/2 cup of dry oatmeal breaks down to 17g carbs, 2g fat, and 3g protein. Hardly any food will break down to a single pure macro nutrient, but oatmeal is one of carbiest (yes, I invented that word) carb sources.
Oatmeal can not be considered a valid protein source, in fact it is probably one of the worst choices for a protein source.

Eggs
Nutrient Units 1.00 X 1 large
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Water g 28.9
Energy kcal 16
Energy kj 66
Protein g 3.6
Total lipid (fat) g .06
Carbohydrate, by difference g .24

Now look at eggs, or 1 whole egg to be exact. The breakdown is .24g carbs, .06g fat, and 3.6g protein. Is can be seen, eggs are nearly a perfect protein source. If I were to do a break down of pure egg whites, which you should be eating anyway, the numbers look even better in favor of eggs as a protein source.

Summary:
Eggs = great protein source
Oatmeal = great carbohydrate source.

Witchblade

There, I elaborated.

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PreMier

please? please go fuck yourself.

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KelJu

You're new, and maybe you haven't had time to read the D&N stickies. I suggest you read all of the stickies there, because there is a ton of great information there. Eggs are not a good carb source. It is simple, do the math.

Eggs = 1 : 15 carb: protein ratio

That is an awful ratio. I did carb cycling for over a year and cut down to under 10% bodyfat while maintaining nice size and decent strength. Eggs were for no carb day, and oatmeal was for low and high carb day.

By the way, you are arguing with accomplished and educated lifters. You can do whatever you like, but I suggest you listen rather than argue.

Biggly

Oh I'm quite happy to listen but not when someone just throws out "you're almost totally wrong" to a guy who wrote the fucking software with the USDA database.

Eggs for high carb days was a joke. Sarcasm.

All proteins will raise insulin to some extent but the chap was specifically referring to his lifting performance, for which he needs energy, be it carbs or fat, or worse case, protein. For lifting energy oatmeal with give an easier and faster kick than simply stuffing eggs.

Here's what he said:

In other words the usual "How can I have everything?" question. I'll break it down a bit:

I am changing my diet to lose weight and maintain muscle. The question is, which is the better source of protein, oatmeal or eggs? Thinking about changing my diet, which contains eggs, and switching to oameal, but concerned about the impact it would have on lifting progressions

It's not such a stupid question as it first sounds, for all he wants to do is maintain muscle mass while losing weight but doesn't want to run out of energy.

So for that all he really needs is enough energy to maintain, as he's not bulking. For that the small amount of protein in oatmeal is sufficient if not lifting too often but he needs it just before and/or just after to make the most of the carbs instead of storing them as fat. Otherwise they'll just be stored as fat and then he'll be scavanging protein.

As for making complete protein, you just said yourself that peanuts or milk would do it, so why whine when I said throw some nuts in there to add to and complete the protein?

Seems to me you're bitchin' for the sake of it without really reading what I said.

Here's an idea, why don't YOU try and help the guy out instead of just pissing down the leg of those that do?



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NordicNacho

for carbs eat oatmeal

for protein eat eggs they are a almost a perfect food.


Most people up there carb intake when they are gaining and decrease them when they cut and keep the fats and protein about the same. Keep your protein and healthy fats up and pound the omega 3 fats and try to eat most of your carbs pre and post work out and you'll get some great pumps and maybe add some muscle on your cut.

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Biggly

Now THAT'S a nice plain helpful reply!

Omega3 yes, that's why I said walnuts as well as peanuts and pecans.

Next we need someone to point out he needs antioxidants while burning off fat - which is why I said pecans as well.

Anyway, thank you NordicNacho. I just hope the guy is still around and reading this and hasn't been put off by the headbutting.

idea!

Let's all be friends n stuff?


*waves olive branch*





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KelJu

I agree, lets all get along. Don't take offense to the people with high post counts (me included). We have seen a thousand newbs come and go, and it is just tiring to have to go through this over and over and most people don't listen.

Newb says, "Hey I'm new, how does this program look?"
Experienced member says, "that program is horrendous, you need to read the stickies and post a new plan."
Newb says, "screw you, my friend says bla bla bla, so I'll do it this way".
Experienced members:

Biggly

Boy I know that feeling, though from a different field (father's rights).

Sometimes people 'ask' as they want confirmation they're right, not to find out if they're right or not.

It's been a very long time since I've been on a bodybuilding forum of any kind - I won't mention the name of it but was put off from one of them by the constant sniping and aggression. I signed up with em again recently, after just one day I thought 'stuff this' and looked for somewhere else. That's why I'm here. To me a place like this is about helping each other; there's far too much myth and confusing hype in bodybuilding as it is and peeps need help and clarity, not.. well whatever.

*group hugz!*



Leever, if you're still there, you can come out now


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Leever

I apologize for not responding as much as I should. I have been without internet for awhile so i have been using my phone to keep up with this discussion. Biggly, thank you very much for standing up for my question. I am a big man that has had a lot of success in bulking up in size and strength, but have always struggled with trimming down.

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danzik17

So you found that carb cycling worked fairly well for you? I'm working on setting one up for myself for next year since my current diet obviously isn't cutting it anymore. Figured I'd give that a try.

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Biggly

Carb cycling has worked for me in the past and I'll be doing it again.

You really feel it - and taste it. Go a couple of days with near zero carbs and you can really taste the sugar in anything.



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TrojanMan60563

beans are a carb food with decent levels of protein...like lentils.

Eggs are great food for protein.

If you are trying to cut I would limit your carb intake, and not look for the protein in a food mostly carb.

juggernaut

I liked egg protein when I was younger. the farts were unreal.