Thread: Whats your opinion?

I think it's really dumb.

You'll lose weight but too much of it as water and lean mass.

Low carb yes, but preferably in cycles and not as extreme as Atkins.



B.

I agree - "extreme" is a great description for this diet

It's a fair question as at first glance the typical bodybuilding diet and Atkins look similar. My mom swears by it (the Atkins, not the bodybuilding).

I just remembered I did a little article on this actually, I'll go paste it..

*toddles off*

Mmm, not sure it would be suitable, be a bit spammy here, I'll just link it.



Atkins bodybuilding?



B.

I don't see how you somebody can get the most out of their exercises while consuming zero carbs (primary fuel source) for an extended period of time.

I've seen it do wonders for a buddy of mine though, so I can't completely shoot it down.

This might start a war, but I think that 99.99% of all diets with names suck. I have tried many, but none was successful.
My no-name diet has been successful for 18 months now. Here's the secret:
1. Burn more calories than you eat.
2. Never ever eat less than 10 calories per pound of bodyweight, but eat more occasionally.
3. Zigzag your calorie intake or else you'll plateau in a very, very short time.
4. Eat between 13 - 15 calories per pound of bodyweight for one week every six to eight weeks.
5. Eat 5 - 8 times per day. Many say it's simply impossible, but that depends on how determined you are.
I have lost quite a couple of pounds doing so as you can see in my signature.

CKD owns me. I love it.

Originally Posted by pbzhb

I wanted to know how people felt about utilizing the atkins diet to lose weight?

it will work short term if you stick to it, the problem is you won't, so in the end like all diets it and you will fail...you need to find a "diet" that you can live with, not a short term weight loss diet, change your eating habits and your life, lose that fat slowly in a manner that is healthy and one in which you can then maintain the rest of your life.

Originally Posted by Prince

it will work short term if you stick to it, the problem is you won't, so in the end like all diets it and you will fail...you need to find a "diet" that you can live with, not a short term weight loss diet, change your eating habits and your life, lose that fat slowly in a manner that is healthy and one in which you can then maintain the rest of your life.

Hit the friggen nail on the head. Statistically speaking 90% of people dieting will go back to there old weight. Shoot the number may actually be higher but this is what i have read.

Originally Posted by Prince

it will work short term if you stick to it, the problem is you won't, so in the end like all diets it and you will fail...you need to find a "diet" that you can live with, not a short term weight loss diet, change your eating habits and your life, lose that fat slowly in a manner that is healthy and one in which you can then maintain the rest of your life.

Although I agree with what you're saying, isnt it possible to live on the ckd diet on a full time basis, since it does provide some health benefits?

Originally Posted by juggernaut

Although I agree with what you're saying, isnt it possible to live on the ckd diet on a full time basis, since it does provide some health benefits?

The ultimate goal is to get your body into a state of ketoacidosis. As a Non diabetic you can function in this state for a good bit of time with out to many side effects. However, If left untreated for a long period of time the body has a hard time recovering. Heart dysrhythmias have been noted as a result of with fluctuating potassium levels. I didn't study the chemical process associated with low glucose levels and high protien filtration but i do know from personal experience that your potassium does get effected. As previosly stated cycling carbs has been proven to be very effective.

I like to cycle my carbs in the offseason, but you cant beat a ckd for fat loss. I guess you cant stay on it forever. But what if I turned the tables around a bit and made a person a diabetic? Surely they could see a long term benefit? The reason I ask is because I am training a client who is way the hell over weight (a big fatass) who wont budge on doing the smallest bit of extra effort, whois diabetic.

The results of long term ketoacidosis can be pretty harmful. I've had several nursing classes that discussed it in detail as well as quite a bit of physiology and pathophysiology. The mechanisms are pretty complicated and it's definitely a tough subject to nail down but the body does compensate for the changes in Ph by altering respiratory rates and kidney function in relation to electrolyte balances as well as CO2 and O2 balance. I seem to always ramble in my posts so I'll avoid the long version but these changes in respiration and kidney function could definitely hamper the bloods ability to load and unload O2 and CO2 which would obviously affect training performance, and I'm sure many of you know the serious problems that can result from electrolyte and other nutrient imbalances. I imagine it could also be said that in the long term this could cause some serious kidney malfunctions. These sort of diets definitely work quickly but will totally skew the body's functions in an effort to achieve homeostasis.

I would think by the reduction of carbs for an extended period of time you would develop an acute reation to glucose or in other words you would be hypersensitive to it for a few days.
One of the biggest misconceptions about diabetes is that you can make yourself diabetic with to much or to little sugar in your diet. Diabetes is genetic + food + diet. I have read cases of people taking insulin for various reasons (i used to love cycling insulin into my suppliments) and a similar reaction mirroring diabetes occures. Type 2 is believed to be reversable and has actually shown itself to be.
With the fat client find out what kind of diabetic he is and you should be able to adjust some things as far as training and diet to meet his needs. I have trainined a few people like that. One in paticular i remember was a parent couldn't figure out why his kid wasn't dropping a few pounds. As they both looked at me with concern and a mouth full of biscutts and gravy. (sorry about the spelling i am a little tired.)
here is a good article The Genetics of Diabetes - All about Diabetes - American Diabetes Association

Originally Posted by juggernaut

I like to cycle my carbs in the offseason, but you cant beat a ckd for fat loss. I guess you cant stay on it forever. But what if I turned the tables around a bit and made a person a diabetic? Surely they could see a long term benefit? The reason I ask is because I am training a client who is way the hell over weight (a big fatass) who wont budge on doing the smallest bit of extra effort, whois diabetic.

A diabetic is already in trouble as far as glucose levels, most people seem to see the danger in having a high level and it's certainly real, but the adverse effects of hypoglycemia occur more rapidly and are considered more serious. I guess it would depend on the type of diabetes as to how beneficial/harmful this diet might be. If they're insulin dependent then its it may not be a big problem because it's relatively easy to regulate insulin (especially if they use a sliding scale). On the other hand if they're insulin resistant and do not require insulin therapy this kind of diet could be an advantage in lowering levels but there's also the issue with the weak affinity of muscle cells to insulin and if you're starving your muscles in a workout they're recieving glucose less efficiently already and on top of that blood glucose levels are low from the diet and most likely oral hypoglycemics.

sorry I'm rambling, it's hard for me to make sense sometimes.

quite the opposite, it actually makes a good deal of sense to me. It's interesting that I was considering putting this person on the diet, then to know all of this stuff..

Glad to know I'm making some sort of sense/contribution.