does bulking always = pudgy waist?

nadirmg · 04-11-2008, 08:41 PM

ok i've been bulking since the beginning of march. i've gained about 4-5 pounds so far. i can tell my pecs, arms and legs are getting bigger. and so is my pudge around my waist.

the things is i'm really lean everywhere else. now, before i freak out and drop my calories i need to know if this is normal when bulking. we all know it's impossible to bulk AND burn fat simultaneously. but what about bulking and NOT putting on some fat?

i'm planning on cutting in july after my bulk is done. i'm just trying to understand what's going on with my body/diet/work out.

The Gentleman · 04-11-2008, 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by nadirmg

ok i've been bulking since the beginning of march. i've gained about 4-5 pounds so far. i can tell my pecs, arms and legs are getting bigger. and so is my pudge around my waist.

the things is i'm really lean everywhere else. now, before i freak out and drop my calories i need to know if this is normal when bulking. we all know it's impossible to bulk AND burn fat simultaneously. but what about bulking and NOT putting on some fat?

i'm planning on cutting in july after my bulk is done. i'm just trying to understand what's going on with my body/diet/work out.

Everyone's different. It depends on your genetics. Most people tend to accumulate fat around their stomach, thighs, and waste so this is very normal when bulking. The thing you gotta remember is that when you cut your lean mass will stay and that pudge will thin considerably when you adjust your calories and add some cardio. If you want to bulk and put on less fat it will be really tough. You can try eating leaner (more protein in your diet split) and cut some fats from your diet, but one of two things will happen.

You will A) put on lean weight, but will take considerably longer to make gains or
B) the extra protein and calories are going to create more fat depending on your metabolism and the amount of protein you have in one sitting
I say don't worry about the fat and continue to bulk until you've met your goals. Once you start a cut, adjust your diet and caloric intake and the rest should take care of itself with some cardio. If you have fat or pudges that just won't die afterwards, swimming is a great form of cardio and will tone you considerably.

Irons77 · 04-11-2008, 10:38 PM

Hey man don't sweat it. It will come off when you cut. If there was a way to bulk with no fat gains it would be a miracle.

**Biggly** · 04-12-2008, 06:02 AM

It can be done but it takes very careful monitoring and there's no need to try too hard anyway. If you watch closely you should be able to tell the point you start putting on fat then ease back just a fraction from there.

However when you say "i can tell my pecs, arms and legs are getting bigger" it's obvious you're not monitoring that closely! If you're shy and just don't want to give measurements that's fine but really you should KNOW exactly how much you're gaining and the point where the gains are as much fat as anything else.

Trying to do it without any fat means being too damn anal, even for me, but there's no reason you should have more fat gain than necessary. Ideally you're looking for the point you get maximum lean growth, no more. If that means a little fat as well, and it usually does, no biggie. If you're not monitoring closely you have no real choice but to deliberately over-do it just to make sure you get the lean gains - but a lot more fat than you need.

As a basic rule of thumb, eat to the point you just start to gain some fat, just a little. That you're gaining fat means you've reached the maximum calorie intake your body can handle. However eating clean will allow a notably higher intake without fat, so high protein, spread your meals, never skip breakfast etc.

B.

edubz · 04-12-2008, 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by nadirmg

ok i've been bulking since the beginning of march. i've gained about 4-5 pounds so far. i can tell my pecs, arms and legs are getting bigger. and so is my pudge around my waist.

the things is i'm really lean everywhere else. now, before i freak out and drop my calories i need to know if this is normal when bulking. we all know it's impossible to bulk AND burn fat simultaneously. but what about bulking and NOT putting on some fat?

i'm planning on cutting in july after my bulk is done. i'm just trying to understand what's going on with my body/diet/work out.

cuttingin july! You should be cutting now for july! th summer is almost here!

I would rather have no gut

nadirmg · 04-12-2008, 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by edubz

cuttingin july! You should be cutting now for july! th summer is almost here!

I would rather have no gut

yea... started the bulk too late

but in texas summer goes from may to october so i'll still get my summer time in

VanessaNicole · 04-17-2008, 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by nadirmg

ok i've been bulking since the beginning of march. i've gained about 4-5 pounds so far. i can tell my pecs, arms and legs are getting bigger. and so is my pudge around my waist.

the things is i'm really lean everywhere else. now, before i freak out and drop my calories i need to know if this is normal when bulking. we all know it's impossible to bulk AND burn fat simultaneously. but what about bulking and NOT putting on some fat?

i'm planning on cutting in july after my bulk is done. i'm just trying to understand what's going on with my body/diet/work out.

If you are getting a pudgy waist (read: VAT) what you are doing is getting fat, not bulking.

You need to drop calories a little and "bulk" more slowly.

**Built** · 04-17-2008, 08:32 PM

You will always have to accept a little bit of fat gain with a bulk, yes.

There seems to be a "sweet spot" where you make good gains. Too lean, and you minimize your gains. Too fat, and you'll become too insulin resistant and too estrogen dominant to partition well. But a certain amount of bodyfat during a bulk is inevitable.

nadirmg · 04-18-2008, 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by VanessaNicole

If you are getting a pudgy waist (read: VAT) what you are doing is getting fat, not bulking.

You need to drop calories a little and "bulk" more slowly.

hi, vanessa. what is "VAT"? i saw that term pop up in danzik's question about fats earlier today.

**Built** · 04-18-2008, 09:33 AM

Visceral Adipose Tissue - not the stuff just under the skin, but the other kind.

nadirmg · 04-18-2008, 09:39 AM

ok, thanks.

i'm going to back off the calories a little bit and see how i do. during the first part of my bulk i noticed the usual newbie gains and it was mostly muscle. but lately my gains have been VAT gains. nothing monstrous.. but more than i want.

**Built** · 04-18-2008, 11:31 AM

Sounds like a plan. Back it off just a smidge, see what happens, ride that wave...

tomuchgear · 04-18-2008, 12:14 PM

for me i had that problem i quit taking in whey. i started getting my protien from all lean sources a crap load of chicken. i have been able to bulk with out so much gain in bad areas. i just dont process whey just my two cents.

**Built** · 04-18-2008, 12:16 PM

You decreased your calories when you stopped with the whey. Simple.

tomuchgear · 04-18-2008, 12:18 PM

true with me though i would take in whey when i was cutting to keep protien stores up just does not work for me. i have a jacked up system though so i process foods really weird fun fun.

**Built** · 04-18-2008, 12:20 PM

I don't drink my food when I'm cutting. I prefer to chew what little I get to eat.

You overconsumed calories when you took whey. Simple.

tomuchgear · 04-18-2008, 12:22 PM

i dont disagree with you at all. my calorie point is alot lower than most peoples. like i said i process wierd. sorry if my posts come off abrasive i dont mean to be.

**Built** · 04-18-2008, 12:32 PM

I don't think there's anything weird about your response to food. When YOU overconsume calories, you get fat. So does everybody else! I do too!

**Built** · 04-18-2008, 12:32 PM

PS I don't think you're abrasive!

tomuchgear · 04-18-2008, 01:29 PM

by process wierd i mean i cant eat alot of things becouse my body doesnt process them. then my calorie intake is lower due to being sick for so long my body gains at 2000 cals a day i dont maintain. my training partner just says i am a light weight. i am glad that you dont some times my posts come off that way.

**Built** · 04-18-2008, 01:35 PM

I understand about food intolerances, trust me - I have similar issues with wheat. Sorry to hear you've not been well.

tomuchgear · 04-18-2008, 08:36 PM

it was a long while ago so no worries at all. just never bounced back i guess. after two or so years of eating ramen noodles a sandwich and clementines your body gets used to it i guess.

VanessaNicole · 04-23-2008, 07:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Built

You decreased your calories when you stopped with the whey. Simple.

Exactly.

And what you said about not drinking calories is so true. Liquid calories have a low satiety value.

VanessaNicole · 04-23-2008, 07:26 AM

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Originally Posted by tomuchgear

by process wierd i mean i cant eat alot of things becouse my body doesnt process them. then my calorie intake is lower due to being sick for so long my body gains at 2000 cals a day i dont maintain. my training partner just says i am a light weight. i am glad that you dont some times my posts come off that way.

Your body is designed to process hundreds of thousands of foods. You may have food intolerances but that doesn't account for a sluggish metabolism.

Something else is going on here.

tomuchgear · 04-23-2008, 12:08 PM

eh its becouse i was on some stuff for bout two years that completely thrashed my system. no nothing illegal i was prescribed the crap by a doctor.

Witchblade · 04-23-2008, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by VanessaNicole

And what you said about not drinking calories is so true. Liquid calories have a low satiety value.

I'm in dubio about this. I've seen two studies recently that said soup has a higher satiety value than the same ingredients do out of soup.

Edit: no, I don't have the studies. I saw it on a documentary about nutrition on TV. All of their results seemed legit.

VanessaNicole · 04-24-2008, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Witchblade

I'm in dubio about this. I've seen two studies recently that said soup has a higher satiety value than the same ingredients do out of soup.

Edit: no, I don't have the studies. I saw it on a documentary about nutrition on TV. All of their results seemed legit.

I am aware of several such studies (a huge point in the theory of volumetrics) and I do not dispute their findings. However, that study does not apply in the case of protein shakes, juices, etc.

Broth (the liquid in broth based soups which are the bases for these studies) is almost calorie free.

The other components of broth based soups are not technically liquid. The studies I am aware of were based on vegetable soup or vegetable and chicken soup. Those are not liquids. A carrot cut up and cooked in water is still a carrot, not carrot juice.

That study prooved that adding water increases satiety, not that adding caloric liquids to your diet increases satiety. The opposite of that has been proven.

If you drink a lot of water or other acaloric liquid you will certainly eat less during your meal.

Certainly all foods that are higher in water (and fiber such as the soup in the studies you are refering to) tend to be more filling and therefore have a higher satiety.

Satiety is also related to nutrient density, nutrient content and things like texture.

I would have to agree that a protein shake mixed with water would be more filling than protein powder by itself.

But protein shakes lack many factors associated with satiety and they are suppliments and not foods.

04-11-2008, 08:41 PM	#1
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04-12-2008, 06:02 AM	#4
Biggly Nerd Moderator Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Borneo Posts: 377 Blog Entries: 1	It can be done but it takes very careful monitoring and there's no need to try too hard anyway. If you watch closely you should be able to tell the point you start putting on fat then ease back just a fraction from there. However when you say "i can tell my pecs, arms and legs are getting bigger" it's obvious you're not monitoring that closely! If you're shy and just don't want to give measurements that's fine but really you should KNOW exactly how much you're gaining and the point where the gains are as much fat as anything else. Trying to do it without any fat means being too damn anal, even for me, but there's no reason you should have more fat gain than necessary. Ideally you're looking for the point you get maximum lean growth, no more. If that means a little fat as well, and it usually does, no biggie. If you're not monitoring closely you have no real choice but to deliberately over-do it just to make sure you get the lean gains - but a lot more fat than you need. As a basic rule of thumb, eat to the point you just start to gain some fat, just a little. That you're gaining fat means you've reached the maximum calorie intake your body can handle. However eating clean will allow a notably higher intake without fat, so high protein, spread your meals, never skip breakfast etc. B.
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04-18-2008, 09:39 AM	#11
nadirmg hardr bettr fastr strongr Elite Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: hopefully TX soon Posts: 884 Photos: 7	ok, thanks. i'm going to back off the calories a little bit and see how i do. during the first part of my bulk i noticed the usual newbie gains and it was mostly muscle. but lately my gains have been VAT gains. nothing monstrous.. but more than i want.
	w/o log 5'5" - currently bulking - 145lb on 5/16 weight goal I: 150 :: bench goal II:170 :: squat goal I: 235 :: weighted chin goal III: +25 x 5 x 5

04-18-2008, 12:14 PM	#13
tomuchgear gettin there Elite Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: ohio Posts: 1,065 Photos: 2	for me i had that problem i quit taking in whey. i started getting my protien from all lean sources a crap load of chicken. i have been able to bulk with out so much gain in bad areas. i just dont process whey just my two cents.
	"im going to go inject syntherol in my ass see if it gets me a bubble butt" i bet in the world you live in every one is a pony, eats rainbows, and craps butterflies.

04-17-2008, 08:32 PM	#8
Built Bioidentical Bodybuilder Moderator Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: . Posts: 716	You will always have to accept a little bit of fat gain with a bulk, yes. There seems to be a "sweet spot" where you make good gains. Too lean, and you minimize your gains. Too fat, and you'll become too insulin resistant and too estrogen dominant to partition well. But a certain amount of bodyfat during a bulk is inevitable.

04-18-2008, 09:33 AM	#10
Built Bioidentical Bodybuilder Moderator Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: . Posts: 716	Visceral Adipose Tissue - not the stuff just under the skin, but the other kind.

04-18-2008, 11:31 AM	#12
Built Bioidentical Bodybuilder Moderator Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: . Posts: 716	Sounds like a plan. Back it off just a smidge, see what happens, ride that wave...

04-18-2008, 12:16 PM	#14
Built Bioidentical Bodybuilder Moderator Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: . Posts: 716	You decreased your calories when you stopped with the whey. Simple.

04-18-2008, 12:18 PM	#15
tomuchgear gettin there Elite Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: ohio Posts: 1,065 Photos: 2	true with me though i would take in whey when i was cutting to keep protien stores up just does not work for me. i have a jacked up system though so i process foods really weird fun fun.
	"im going to go inject syntherol in my ass see if it gets me a bubble butt" i bet in the world you live in every one is a pony, eats rainbows, and craps butterflies.

04-18-2008, 12:20 PM	#16
Built Bioidentical Bodybuilder Moderator Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: . Posts: 716	I don't drink my food when I'm cutting. I prefer to chew what little I get to eat. You overconsumed calories when you took whey. Simple.

04-18-2008, 12:22 PM	#17
tomuchgear gettin there Elite Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: ohio Posts: 1,065 Photos: 2	i dont disagree with you at all. my calorie point is alot lower than most peoples. like i said i process wierd. sorry if my posts come off abrasive i dont mean to be.
	"im going to go inject syntherol in my ass see if it gets me a bubble butt" i bet in the world you live in every one is a pony, eats rainbows, and craps butterflies.

04-18-2008, 12:32 PM	#18
Built Bioidentical Bodybuilder Moderator Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: . Posts: 716	I don't think there's anything weird about your response to food. When YOU overconsume calories, you get fat. So does everybody else! I do too!

04-18-2008, 01:29 PM	#20
tomuchgear gettin there Elite Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: ohio Posts: 1,065 Photos: 2	by process wierd i mean i cant eat alot of things becouse my body doesnt process them. then my calorie intake is lower due to being sick for so long my body gains at 2000 cals a day i dont maintain. my training partner just says i am a light weight. i am glad that you dont some times my posts come off that way.
	"im going to go inject syntherol in my ass see if it gets me a bubble butt" i bet in the world you live in every one is a pony, eats rainbows, and craps butterflies.

04-18-2008, 01:35 PM	#21
Built Bioidentical Bodybuilder Moderator Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: . Posts: 716	I understand about food intolerances, trust me - I have similar issues with wheat. Sorry to hear you've not been well.

04-18-2008, 08:36 PM	#22
tomuchgear gettin there Elite Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: ohio Posts: 1,065 Photos: 2	it was a long while ago so no worries at all. just never bounced back i guess. after two or so years of eating ramen noodles a sandwich and clementines your body gets used to it i guess.
	"im going to go inject syntherol in my ass see if it gets me a bubble butt" i bet in the world you live in every one is a pony, eats rainbows, and craps butterflies.

04-23-2008, 12:08 PM	#25
tomuchgear gettin there Elite Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: ohio Posts: 1,065 Photos: 2	eh its becouse i was on some stuff for bout two years that completely thrashed my system. no nothing illegal i was prescribed the crap by a doctor.
	"im going to go inject syntherol in my ass see if it gets me a bubble butt" i bet in the world you live in every one is a pony, eats rainbows, and craps butterflies.