Craving Problems

Moondogg · 06-11-2008, 06:04 PM

Started my cutting diet last week. it has been going very well so far and i am pleased with the results ive seen, however my cravings for carbs get out of control after 10pm.

im eating carbs mainly twice a day, complex with breakfast and simple after training, with only a few carbs in the meals between via fruit and veg.

i was just wondering if anyone out there has any tips as to supressing these cravings or any tricks that might help dull them slightly?
Thanks

thewicked · 06-11-2008, 07:58 PM

just give it some time...typically after a couple weeks you don't have them anymore.

now if your RECOVERY is suffering while dieting and you're sore WHILE your body is craving them for extended amounts of time, that's your body telling you to wake up and help it do what it needs to.

HOWEVER! Try muching down on something without carbs in like celery or something or just chew sugar free gum. Just the action of eating seems to help me out a little.

tomuchgear · 06-11-2008, 08:03 PM

peanut butter a spoon full does the job for me. i started my detox bout a week or so ago. full cutting diet started this week. i find peanut butter is the solution for any cravings. that or some thing like a salad. hell the other day i ate a whole damn head of lettuce becouse i wanted some damn chips. i dont even like chips go figure.

ArnoldsProtege · 06-11-2008, 09:53 PM

oh man, i was just gonna post the exact same thread... ive started cutting recently, and have been closely monitoring my macros, and eating my carbs smartly... later at night on a lower carb day I just CRAVE them so much... i just want to eat a whole loaf of bread, or a giant bowl of cereal.

What I do is actually pretty funny... I heard that snapping your hand with a rubber band a couple times when u have a craving associates pain with desiring food lol... so i wear a rubber band on my wrist, and whenever i get that gut craving, i snap it like, 3-4 times really hard, and drink a bunch of water lol. It may be weird, and it may not even be scientifically sound... but either way, im keeping my cravings in check

as a bonus, the rubber band reminds me that im on a cut, and that im focused on a goal. helps when im eating out with the boys! I dont know what i hate more... having a massive cheat meal at All Star wings, or ordering a house salad with a water and a lite raspberry vinagrette on the side :P

**Built** · 06-11-2008, 10:00 PM

For those of you who are cutting and craving PM carbs, I'll ask a few things:

How much carb, protein and fat, how much of a deficit, and what is your LBM?

How about only eating the carbs in the meal before and the meal after you train? There's no need to eat them in the AM unless you're lifting and doing HIIT in the AM.

I find pushing breakfast to a few hours into the morning very helpful. And I only eat protein, fat and fibrous veggies for all meals except the ones around the workout. I train at night, so that's when I eat them.

Does this help at all?

**Prince** · 06-12-2008, 07:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Moondogg

Started my cutting diet last week. it has been going very well so far and i am pleased with the results ive seen, however my cravings for carbs get out of control after 10pm.

im eating carbs mainly twice a day, complex with breakfast and simple after training, with only a few carbs in the meals between via fruit and veg.

i was just wondering if anyone out there has any tips as to supressing these cravings or any tricks that might help dull them slightly?
Thanks

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Moondogg · 06-12-2008, 07:39 AM

thanks for all the advice guys, and built im gona try switching my carbs to before and after training, see if that works better. im almost at the end of my second week now so hopefully the cravings will die down soon.

Arnoldprotege - i used to play golf at quite a high standard and we got physcology lessons as part of our training, the rubber band trick is a type of mental reinforcement. the golfer Greg Norman used to wear a rubber band during his rounds of golf, and he would use it whenever he has any negative throughts throughout the round.

Prince - would this be right for my situation, i dont really struggly with hunger cravings or a big appetite, its just carbs cravings, im not actually that hungry?!

Moondogg · 06-12-2008, 07:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thewicked

just give it some time...typically after a couple weeks you don't have them anymore.

now if your RECOVERY is suffering while dieting and you're sore WHILE your body is craving them for extended amounts of time, that's your body telling you to wake up and help it do what it needs to.

HOWEVER! Try muching down on something without carbs in like celery or something or just chew sugar free gum. Just the action of eating seems to help me out a little.

what constitutes as an extended period of time? my muscles can be sore for up to four days after training, however this was not overly uncommon for me even when bulking, and i feel that it is just a product of very hard training sessions. soreness occurs for longest after training legs, and to an extent back. most other muscle groups feel fine within 2 days.

DeadBolt · 06-12-2008, 06:14 PM

You just learn to stop wanting them...it depends how bad you want it.

here is my diet...
Work days:
M1: MRP bar (pre workout)
workout
M2: 1 1/2 scoops ON Whey, BCAAs, Glutamine, 1 natures valley granola bar
M3: 6-8oz meat veggies
M4: 6-8oz meat veggies
M5: 6-8oz meat veggies

Home:
M1:6 boiled eggs (2 whole 4 whites) fruit
M2: 6-8oz meat veggies/salad
M3: 6-8oz meat veggies/salad
M4: 6-8oz meat veggies/salad
M5: 6-8oz meat veggies/salad

One day a week refeed super low fat and free for all with carbs...brown rice, beans/lentils, whole grain bread, oats, whole grain pasta, etc etc. Thinking of doing it on sundays for 2-3 meals thenr ight back to no carbs and additional water intake.

Current water intake is 3-5 liters.

I rarely ever want carbs...I love meat/veggies so much I could do without it. My refeed days make me sick LOL....its to much work eating carbs.

But when do you crave them?

Try snaking on things that simulate the tectures and tastes of carbs...peanuts celery crunchy salty SF/FF pudding or jello if you crave sweets.

tomuchgear · 06-12-2008, 08:25 PM

like i said peanut butter, and salad solves the problem for me. biggest problem have is two cookie crunchin little kids. they like sweets damn cup cakes and what not.

Matt Taylor · 06-13-2008, 09:28 PM

Have you tried drinking a glass of water. Many times when you have cravings... it may mean that your body is dehydrated...

meanne2007 · 06-23-2008, 10:06 AM

Your the one who is in control of it

jhawkin1 · 06-23-2008, 02:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thewicked

just give it some time...typically after a couple weeks you don't have them anymore.

now if your RECOVERY is suffering while dieting and you're sore WHILE your body is craving them for extended amounts of time, that's your body telling you to wake up and help it do what it needs to.

HOWEVER! Try muching down on something without carbs in like celery or something or just chew sugar free gum. Just the action of eating seems to help me out a little.

I did the sugar free gum thing...the fact is that even sugar free gum does have carbohydrates in them, and I was chewing 2 packs a day! Gum is the best way to go, just do not over do it like I did!

Another way to kill a craving is to drink carbonated water- has no calories, and is a change of things, as opposed to drinking plain old water ALL DAY LONG. I know I need a switch on things every now and then, and "mineral water" is the best way to go.

juggernaut · 06-23-2008, 03:36 PM

i've been dieting for eighteen weeks at the end. My cravings were getting out of control until I started using Walden Farms chocolate sauce (carb free/fat free), drizzled on top of 2 tbsp of peanut butter and 1 tbsp of low fat whipped cream. Trust me. It's damn rich and ridiculously tasty.

Amber · 06-25-2008, 11:14 PM

Make sure your eating the right foods and eating enough. If your doing these two things, it's normal for your body to freak out a little, so give it time for your body to adjust sometimes a week, or it could be up to a month for a new habit of eating well to take effect and cravings to diminish. Bottom line, patience and one more thing...get your mind off of it, do something besides stay home or around the food you crave. Take a walk, go shopping, something that won't have you thinking about it as much. Good Luck!

No spam - consider yourself warned

juggernaut · 06-26-2008, 12:12 PM

I agree with Amber. Whenever this happens to me, I go a play video game or think about how to beat a level. It takes my mind off of the obvious. Most of the time, this works.

jhawkin1 · 06-26-2008, 04:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by juggernaut

I agree with Amber. Whenever this happens to me, I go a play video game or think about how to beat a level. It takes my mind off of the obvious. Most of the time, this works.

Also going for a walk helps too, takes away the cravings while burning some calories (majority fat)????

goob · 06-26-2008, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by juggernaut

I agree with Amber. Whenever this happens to me, I go a play video game or think about how to beat off.

He's right though, this does work. Keeping busy takes the mind of eating.

juggernaut · 06-27-2008, 05:09 AM

quake wars, UT3 or any multiplayer will do where there is interaction with others.

DaMayor · 06-27-2008, 07:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tomuchgear

biggest problem have is two cookie crunchin little kids. they like sweets damn cup cakes and what not.

Bang. That's my biggest problem when I'm not neck deep in a crazy strict low carb plan. My son's Pop tarts, cookies, granola bars and my wife's "diet" crap bars, which are damn near the same thing as eating a snickers bar

.....bunch of crap all over the place calling my name at 1:00am.

However, (and my response to Moondogg's issue [already answered by Built, et al]) I have found that if I completely eliminate carbs from my diet, or maintain a very low percentage of carb intake (say 20g or less) for a consistent period, my cravings disappear completely. In most cases, if I have reached this point, you could tempt me with junky foods and I would have no interest at all.

**Built** · 06-27-2008, 10:58 AM

DaMayor, I'm the same way - I get to a point where that stuff isn't actually food to me.

Why is your wife eating sugar bombs to diet with? Women are more insulin-resistant than men most of the time - when dieting, it's even more important for us to restrict carb intake and focus on protein and fat than it is for the men who do it.

???

DaMayor · 06-27-2008, 12:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Built

Why is your wife eating sugar bombs to diet with? Women are more insulin-resistant than men most of the time - when dieting, it's even more important for us to restrict carb intake and focus on protein and fat than it is for the men who do it.
???

I HATE SpecialK bars!!!!!!

PLEASE PLEASE TELL HER THIS!!!!!

While I might not be the poster boy for perfect fitness and diet....

We have has an on-going debate about this for years. She has been attending "classes" where she works,(the name begins with a Y and ends with an A...and the village people liked it a lot), and I commend her for this, yet while the staffers there might be able to jump around to funky tunes and monitor heart rate, I am surprised at their lack of knowledge when it comes to diet.....again, I'm not Mr. Wizard myself.
What kills me is that I know she could have much better results if she tried this approach.
Long story short, her opinion of "low-carb" in general has been tainted by the many Atkins dieters who don't have a clue.

**Built** · 06-27-2008, 12:06 PM

There are a LOT of Atkins dieters who are not Atkins dieters. When I did it, I read the book - and followed it. By the end I was eating more vegetables than most vegetarians. Oh, and I lost over 30 lbs.

If she wants results, I can help her - tell her that and PM me her email addy.

jhawkin1 · 06-27-2008, 12:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by juggernaut

quake wars, UT3 or any multiplayer will do where there is interaction with others.

HALO will keep you in awe for hours on end...maybe NOT a good idea in that case.

jhawkin1 · 06-27-2008, 12:17 PM

I agree with Built in the fact that I am essentially on sort of an Atkins Diet- but I don't go into detail on sticking to all the essentials posted from that diet. My main focuses are: carb up before and after a workout with: pre- oats with 1 scoop of whey protein/ Post: 2 scoops whey protein w/ an apple (simple sugar/carb). Everything else throughout the day is lean proteins (eggs, turkey/chicken breast/salmon), veggies (mainly spinach salads, broccoli) and healthy fats (ALMONDS mainly, olive oil in salad), not to mention supps. (fish oil and calcium suppl. since I do not consume milk or 1000mg a day that is recommended).

DaMayor · 06-27-2008, 12:54 PM

That sounds similar to a TKD/Carb restrictive diet.

Most people who attempt Atkins do so based on what they've heard, which means they end up trying to live on the induction phase, gorging themselves with lard and cheese for weeks on end. On the other hand, we have some friends who think that Atkins dieting means eating 8oz. of chicken salad with every meal...regardless of what the meal includes. .

Atkins, CKD, TKD....they're all somewhat similar, but the individual HAS to read up on and FOLLOW the regimen.

jhawkin1 · 06-27-2008, 01:45 PM

I have not followed any diet, but yes I do restrict carbs because my body, like yours, is very different, including metabolism, workout regime, genetics, etc. Carbs increased = me gaining weight, that is just the fact of the matter. Now, carb cycling has worked the best for me and also for others. It may sound like an Atkins-based diet, but I can assure you that cheese and lard are far from what I consume!

Regardless, I am in single digits in terms of body fat %, and am gaining lean muscle mass each and every week, slowly but surely. What more could a body builder ask for?

06-11-2008, 06:04 PM	#1
Moondogg Registered User Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Ireland Posts: 56	Craving Problems Started my cutting diet last week. it has been going very well so far and i am pleased with the results ive seen, however my cravings for carbs get out of control after 10pm. im eating carbs mainly twice a day, complex with breakfast and simple after training, with only a few carbs in the meals between via fruit and veg. i was just wondering if anyone out there has any tips as to supressing these cravings or any tricks that might help dull them slightly? Thanks

06-11-2008, 07:58 PM	#2
thewicked THE FRIDGE Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: the underground, TX Posts: 275	just give it some time...typically after a couple weeks you don't have them anymore. now if your RECOVERY is suffering while dieting and you're sore WHILE your body is craving them for extended amounts of time, that's your body telling you to wake up and help it do what it needs to. HOWEVER! Try muching down on something without carbs in like celery or something or just chew sugar free gum. Just the action of eating seems to help me out a little.
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06-11-2008, 08:03 PM	#3
tomuchgear bout to get into the game Elite Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: ohio Posts: 1,561 Photos: 2	peanut butter a spoon full does the job for me. i started my detox bout a week or so ago. full cutting diet started this week. i find peanut butter is the solution for any cravings. that or some thing like a salad. hell the other day i ate a whole damn head of lettuce becouse i wanted some damn chips. i dont even like chips go figure.
	i bet in the world you live in every one is a pony, eats rainbows, and craps butterflys. there is no damn justice in the world.

06-11-2008, 09:53 PM	#4
ArnoldsProtege VandelayIndustries Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Toronto Posts: 262 Photos: 1	oh man, i was just gonna post the exact same thread... ive started cutting recently, and have been closely monitoring my macros, and eating my carbs smartly... later at night on a lower carb day I just CRAVE them so much... i just want to eat a whole loaf of bread, or a giant bowl of cereal. What I do is actually pretty funny... I heard that snapping your hand with a rubber band a couple times when u have a craving associates pain with desiring food lol... so i wear a rubber band on my wrist, and whenever i get that gut craving, i snap it like, 3-4 times really hard, and drink a bunch of water lol. It may be weird, and it may not even be scientifically sound... but either way, im keeping my cravings in check as a bonus, the rubber band reminds me that im on a cut, and that im focused on a goal. helps when im eating out with the boys! I dont know what i hate more... having a massive cheat meal at All Star wings, or ordering a house salad with a water and a lite raspberry vinagrette on the side :P
	Age:19 Height: 5'10 1/2 Weight: 200 lbs

06-12-2008, 06:14 PM	#9
DeadBolt MP Minister of Pain! Elite Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Ocean County NJ Posts: 7,332	You just learn to stop wanting them...it depends how bad you want it. here is my diet... Work days: M1: MRP bar (pre workout) workout M2: 1 1/2 scoops ON Whey, BCAAs, Glutamine, 1 natures valley granola bar M3: 6-8oz meat veggies M4: 6-8oz meat veggies M5: 6-8oz meat veggies Home: M1:6 boiled eggs (2 whole 4 whites) fruit M2: 6-8oz meat veggies/salad M3: 6-8oz meat veggies/salad M4: 6-8oz meat veggies/salad M5: 6-8oz meat veggies/salad One day a week refeed super low fat and free for all with carbs...brown rice, beans/lentils, whole grain bread, oats, whole grain pasta, etc etc. Thinking of doing it on sundays for 2-3 meals thenr ight back to no carbs and additional water intake. Current water intake is 3-5 liters. I rarely ever want carbs...I love meat/veggies so much I could do without it. My refeed days make me sick LOL....its to much work eating carbs. But when do you crave them? Try snaking on things that simulate the tectures and tastes of carbs...peanuts celery crunchy salty SF/FF pudding or jello if you crave sweets.
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06-11-2008, 10:00 PM	#5
Built Bioidentical Bodybuilder Moderator Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: . Posts: 1,837	For those of you who are cutting and craving PM carbs, I'll ask a few things: How much carb, protein and fat, how much of a deficit, and what is your LBM? How about only eating the carbs in the meal before and the meal after you train? There's no need to eat them in the AM unless you're lifting and doing HIIT in the AM. I find pushing breakfast to a few hours into the morning very helpful. And I only eat protein, fat and fibrous veggies for all meals except the ones around the workout. I train at night, so that's when I eat them. Does this help at all?

06-12-2008, 07:39 AM	#7
Moondogg Registered User Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Ireland Posts: 56	thanks for all the advice guys, and built im gona try switching my carbs to before and after training, see if that works better. im almost at the end of my second week now so hopefully the cravings will die down soon. Arnoldprotege - i used to play golf at quite a high standard and we got physcology lessons as part of our training, the rubber band trick is a type of mental reinforcement. the golfer Greg Norman used to wear a rubber band during his rounds of golf, and he would use it whenever he has any negative throughts throughout the round. Prince - would this be right for my situation, i dont really struggly with hunger cravings or a big appetite, its just carbs cravings, im not actually that hungry?!

06-12-2008, 08:25 PM	#10
tomuchgear bout to get into the game Elite Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: ohio Posts: 1,561 Photos: 2	like i said peanut butter, and salad solves the problem for me. biggest problem have is two cookie crunchin little kids. they like sweets damn cup cakes and what not.
	i bet in the world you live in every one is a pony, eats rainbows, and craps butterflys. there is no damn justice in the world.

06-13-2008, 09:28 PM	#11
Matt Taylor Registered User Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: USA Posts: 40	Have you tried drinking a glass of water. Many times when you have cravings... it may mean that your body is dehydrated...
	Matt www.flat-abdominal-exercises.com

06-23-2008, 10:06 AM	#12
meanne2007 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: new york Posts: 6	Your the one who is in control of it

06-23-2008, 03:36 PM	#14
juggernaut hybrid of machine & skin Elite Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Mars Posts: 4,129 Photos: 2	i've been dieting for eighteen weeks at the end. My cravings were getting out of control until I started using Walden Farms chocolate sauce (carb free/fat free), drizzled on top of 2 tbsp of peanut butter and 1 tbsp of low fat whipped cream. Trust me. It's damn rich and ridiculously tasty.
	Eat well, train daily, die anyway.

06-25-2008, 11:14 PM	#15
Amber Registered User Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Australia Posts: 1	Craving Problems Make sure your eating the right foods and eating enough. If your doing these two things, it's normal for your body to freak out a little, so give it time for your body to adjust sometimes a week, or it could be up to a month for a new habit of eating well to take effect and cravings to diminish. Bottom line, patience and one more thing...get your mind off of it, do something besides stay home or around the food you crave. Take a walk, go shopping, something that won't have you thinking about it as much. Good Luck! No spam - consider yourself warned Last edited by Built : 06-25-2008 at 11:40 PM. Reason: Spamming supps

06-26-2008, 12:12 PM	#16
juggernaut hybrid of machine & skin Elite Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Mars Posts: 4,129 Photos: 2	I agree with Amber. Whenever this happens to me, I go a play video game or think about how to beat a level. It takes my mind off of the obvious. Most of the time, this works.
	Eat well, train daily, die anyway.

06-27-2008, 05:09 AM	#19
juggernaut hybrid of machine & skin Elite Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Mars Posts: 4,129 Photos: 2	quake wars, UT3 or any multiplayer will do where there is interaction with others.
	Eat well, train daily, die anyway.

06-27-2008, 10:58 AM	#21
Built Bioidentical Bodybuilder Moderator Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: . Posts: 1,837	DaMayor, I'm the same way - I get to a point where that stuff isn't actually food to me. Why is your wife eating sugar bombs to diet with? Women are more insulin-resistant than men most of the time - when dieting, it's even more important for us to restrict carb intake and focus on protein and fat than it is for the men who do it. ???

06-27-2008, 12:06 PM	#23
Built Bioidentical Bodybuilder Moderator Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: . Posts: 1,837	There are a LOT of Atkins dieters who are not Atkins dieters. When I did it, I read the book - and followed it. By the end I was eating more vegetables than most vegetarians. Oh, and I lost over 30 lbs. If she wants results, I can help her - tell her that and PM me her email addy.

06-27-2008, 12:17 PM	#25
jhawkin1 Registered User Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 269	I agree with Built in the fact that I am essentially on sort of an Atkins Diet- but I don't go into detail on sticking to all the essentials posted from that diet. My main focuses are: carb up before and after a workout with: pre- oats with 1 scoop of whey protein/ Post: 2 scoops whey protein w/ an apple (simple sugar/carb). Everything else throughout the day is lean proteins (eggs, turkey/chicken breast/salmon), veggies (mainly spinach salads, broccoli) and healthy fats (ALMONDS mainly, olive oil in salad), not to mention supps. (fish oil and calcium suppl. since I do not consume milk or 1000mg a day that is recommended).
jhawkin1 Registered User Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 269

06-27-2008, 12:54 PM	#26
DaMayor On a Perpetual Bulk Elite Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Here. Posts: 5,976	That sounds similar to a TKD/Carb restrictive diet. Most people who attempt Atkins do so based on what they've heard, which means they end up trying to live on the induction phase, gorging themselves with lard and cheese for weeks on end. On the other hand, we have some friends who think that Atkins dieting means eating 8oz. of chicken salad with every meal...regardless of what the meal includes. . Atkins, CKD, TKD....they're all somewhat similar, but the individual HAS to read up on and FOLLOW the regimen.

06-27-2008, 01:45 PM	#27
jhawkin1 Registered User Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 269	I have not followed any diet, but yes I do restrict carbs because my body, like yours, is very different, including metabolism, workout regime, genetics, etc. Carbs increased = me gaining weight, that is just the fact of the matter. Now, carb cycling has worked the best for me and also for others. It may sound like an Atkins-based diet, but I can assure you that cheese and lard are far from what I consume! Regardless, I am in single digits in terms of body fat %, and am gaining lean muscle mass each and every week, slowly but surely. What more could a body builder ask for?
jhawkin1 Registered User Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 269