Thread: protein overloading modified maint????

Please buy and read this before you even THINK of doing what you're considering.

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i was just wondering...

what is wrong with this diet?
it covers all the basic requirements
and past that it just concentrates of protein as the main source of calories, totaling a caloric surplus


i take from your response that this would be a bad idea...

Nope - the IDEA is good. You need to know how to properly apply it.

i have no desire to loose weight either btw

ok

and im assuming your referring to the "protein book"

No.

I linked to the rapid fat loss book. That's because I meant the rapid fat loss book.

However, knowing that it's recomp and not weight loss you're after, may I suggest UD2.0?

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alright...

i got it
so this diet would not be relevant to someone considering a clean bulk

Which diet would not be relevant on a clean bulk - PSMF, UD2.0, or your post?

Regardless, go with UD2.0 if you're after recomposition - which is, I think, what you mean by "clean bulk", yes?

yes

i was looking for
adding say
5-10 pounds
and hopefully no/very little bodyfat
depending on how much body fat would determine the length of said "bulk"

if you want to add muscle and no/very little body fat, start using steroids.

otherwise, suck it up and work your ass off and gain some body fat and muscle like the rest of us.

Hormones in your body wont let you gain muscle without gaining some fat. I believe it partially has to do with the interplay between letpin and aMPK.

so going low carb, ultra high protein would still cause fat storage?

or would there be no positive effects at all?

btw

im just going to add in

50g of protein
50g of carbs
10 g of fat

to my existing maintenance/slight surplus diet

thats about 450 additional cals
would this be sufficient?

Bottom line, there's no universal answer to that question. Everyone's body/metabolism is different. The only real way to find out if something is going to work FOR YOU is to try it out and see for yourself.

Originally Posted by Ben dur

so going low carb, ultra high protein would still cause fat storage?

or would there be no positive effects at all?

abundance of calories cause weight gain. you can eat all the protein you want..but if you eat more than you burn, you will gain weight.

Originally Posted by P-funk

abundance of calories cause weight gain. you can eat all the protein you want..but if you eat more than you burn, you will gain weight.

i assume that would include approximately the same amount of fat either way (extremely high protein vs high protein and high carbs)

huh?

Originally Posted by Ben dur

i assume that would include approximately the same amount of fat either way (extremely high protein vs high protein and high carbs)

If you're eating 3000 calories in protein or 3000 calories in carbs, it's still 3000 calories. It makes no difference in how much fat you'll gain.

Nutrients are a different matter, but the overall effect is the same.

Correct me if I'm wrong here. While I understand calories in/out determine weight gain/loss, either muscle or fat aren't some calories processed differently by the body? Such as simple carbs vs protein vs fat? Is it really as simple as eat whatever form of calories as long as there's sufficient protein and you'll gain muscle and fat?

Obviously with the understanding that your workouts are in check.

i dont know if i buy the whole argument as simple as cal in cal out

for example

300g of carbs from brown rice in one day
vs
300g of carbs from dextrose in one day

will certainly have complete different effects on blood glucose levels
and therefor have complete different effects on the storage of fat

on the other hand i do understand how a 1000cal surplus will cause fat storage whether it be fats proteins or carbs

Originally Posted by Ben dur

i dont know if i buy the whole argument as simple as cal in cal out

for example

300g of carbs from brown rice in one day
vs
300g of carbs from dextrose in one day

will certainly have complete different effects on blood glucose levels
and therefor have complete different effects on the storage of fat

on the other hand i do understand how a 1000cal surplus will cause fat storage whether it be fats proteins or carbs

It's energy. Energy doesn't just disappear or appear out of nowhere.

Hormonal and thermogenic effects on fat storage are minimal.

why do you keep taking everything i say as thermogenics?

high GI causes an insulin spike and fat storage

low GI is more apt to be used as energy over a longer period of time

i didnt say it had any effect on the matabolism

Originally Posted by Ben dur

why do you keep taking everything i say as thermogenics?

high GI causes an insulin spike and fat storage

low GI is more apt to be used as energy over a longer period of time

i didnt say it had any effect on the matabolism

cause GI has very little value in the terms of a meal

so choosing brown rice over the same amount of calories from table sugar would have no benifets?

nutrients sure. hunger satisfaction sure.

but as far as subcutaneous fat storage, no difference?

Originally Posted by Ben dur

why do you keep taking everything i say as thermogenics?

Reread what I said, specifically the word 'hormonal'.

Originally Posted by Ben dur

lets just say i wanted to tansition into a diet that included
420+g protein
90g fat
100g carb

alot of this fat would be from fish oil, others from meat
and almost all of the carbs would be from fruits and veggies,
with only 40-50g being from pre/post workout shakes
--old fashion oats pre workout
--dextrose post wo

i would be including multi V

sources of protein would be
chicken
tuna
salmon
whey
beef
cottage cheese
eggs

my question is
with this diet running around 3200 cal a day
would i see any change in body composition?
would there be any negative effects of such low carb intake?


my maint seems to be in this range (2800-3000)
but usually i consume more carbs and less protein


im 20
175
5'11"
8% on calipers 10% on analysis as of today

i work out 4 times a week
45-55mins per workout
my weekend include alot of cardio
i get at least 8 hours of sleep a night
im taking a ZMA
i take creatine post workout only, only on lifting days

lol, why do you want so much protein? Excess protein is stored as fat...You need carbs, nothing is wrong with them. You don't really need to be so specific and over analyze everything. Just make sure your taking in a good amount of protein and eat what you want. Just watch the calories. 1 pound of fat is 3500 calories. So, if you average eating 500 calories over your Maintenance a day, you would gain 1 pound of fat in a week. It works the same way with weight loss...500 calories less a day, you would lose 1 pound of fat in a week. Weight loss and weight gain takes time. If you feel like having 2 snickers in one day (about 500 calories), go for it. Just make sure you have a smaller dinner, or lunch, etc...

By the way, don't waste your money on these protein shakes/powder...If your eating correctly with a balanced meal, you don't need additional protein. The protein from foods is WAY better and stays in your body longer. It allows the protein to stay in your body longer and mix with other proteins your eating throughout the day, giving you a full supply of necessary amino acids and necessary proteins...Also, you need to be aware that WHEN YOU EAT fish, chicken, beef, you are EATING MUSCLE! Muscle that is already made up of and contains all the necessary proteins and amino acids. So, you don't need to take in any additional amino acids in the form of pills and you definitely don't need to take any additional amino acids in the form of powdered proteins... Have a well balanced meal and worry about LIFTING WEIGHTS, that causes muscle growth.

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