Thread: Theory on genetics

Originally Posted by danzik17

This forum needs some damned activity so here's something to argue about that popped into my head when I was researching something else.

Would ethnicity/ancestry have an effect on our genetics that could help determine what body type we are? From an evolutionary standpoint it makes sense; a human living in Ecuador would not need nearly as much body fat as an eskimo in Alaska to keep him warm. Even taking famine into consideration, there is probably more food in Ecuador than there is in Alaska. With this idea in mind, do you think it would be feasible to say that "My family originated from X, therefore my body type is likely Y. Based on that, I should adjust my diet and/or training by Z".

Keep in mind nothing replaces a good consistent diet and hard training, we just need some damn discussion in here.

i agree this forum spends more time talking about eating vag than anything else
reading your post the myth or fact that people of african desent are physically better than other races
how many white running backs are there compared to black in the nfl?

Putting ancestory aside for a minute.........

I firmly belive that we all have a certain size that we (naturally) cannot go beyond. I also belive the suppliment industry preys on this to keep selling supps that do a whole lot of nothing.

When i was in my teens/20's i used to compete, and use gear.
(had a young family, so took some years out)
Now im in my 40's and its taken me roughly a decade to get some good size without. But I keep hitting a certain size /strength and something gives (a muscle tear, a joint giving out, etc). No supplement is going to push me past that..........

So i say that yes, we are all blueprinted to be a certain size through our latter generations. I dont think adjusting a diet would make that much of a difference, unless it was THAT poor to start with.

Seems plausible to me... My genetics dont let me hold onto more than a little fat(when i push myself overweight it goes quick) but i always have a little unlosable belly

Genetics certainly play a part and at extreme levels such as outright competition they can be a limiting (or boosting) factor. However I think we've all seen too many people totally transform their physiques to take it as some kind of pre-ordained body you're stuck with.


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This PC liberal bullshit of not allowing us to talk about race has stifled this kind of talk. I am interested in the topic. Personally, I look at humans like we are all just a bunch of dogs.

Think about it. Dogs are one species that are so diverse that it is hard to believe that a Great Dane is the same species as a poodle. Well the same is true for humans. But that is what happens when you selectively breed a animals of the same species for long periods of time.

Add to that notion biological adaptation to environmental factors like climate and ecosystems, and humans begin to differ anymore. I don't see what the problem is with saying different ethnicities are different. Sure we are equal, but we are not the same.

So, lets ignore culture, race, and ethnicity for a second, and lets think of humans as breeds. There would be 100s of breeds of humans, with each breed having a specific look and natural tendency towards having certain traits. Many black breeds would naturally be better at basketball, football, and track. There would be sub-groups of white breeds like the Icelanders that dominate strongman competitions.

I think body structures deviated a lot more in the past when human cultures were more isolated, but due to technology and an interconnected global transportation system, most of us are just Muts now. Our uniqueness is slower going away as we blend together.

What was it that Bullworth said? "Let's just keep fucking till we are all the same color. "

Great quote!



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And on that note, with noone knowing my colour so hopefully nothing can come back on me... black people often seem to be more prone to naturaly huge muscles, chinese seem to be skinny but very fucking strong(japanese skinny and weak), and whites are kinda medium and moderately weak naturaly. On my observations anyway

Originally Posted by Dodge

And on that note, with noone knowing my colour so hopefully nothing can come back on me... black people often seem to be more prone to naturaly huge muscles, chinese seem to be skinny but very fucking strong(japanese skinny and weak), and whites are kinda medium and moderately weak naturaly. On my observations anyway

i see black people more as leaner denser muscle but the rest i agree with. and there body comp does have to do with ansestory but can be change by nutrition an other things. also there are freaks out there that go against things.
also but you forgot hispanics

And Malaysians, Mongolians, Maldivians.. not forgetting sex of course.

But put a long-term dedicated female Chinese bodybuilder besides a couch-potato black male and you'll see my point. Genetics can make things easier or harder but they don't determine jack.



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Originally Posted by Biggly

And Malaysians, Mongolians, Maldivians.. not forgetting sex of course.

But put a long-term dedicated female Chinese bodybuilder besides a couch-potato black male and you'll see my point. Genetics can make things easier or harder but they don't determine jack.



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Of course not, that is all hard work. The argument is that based on ethnicity and ancestry, do you think that you could determine that due to your particular mix of race that you are lets say 60% endo and 40% meso or something like that. For my original example, an Alaskan would likely be an endo since they required fat for warmth and famines. An African would likely be a meso due to their increased need to hunt for food.

Originally Posted by danzik17

Of course not, that is all hard work. The argument is that based on ethnicity and ancestry, do you think that you could determine that due to your particular mix of race that you are lets say 60% endo and 40% meso or something like that. For my original example, an Alaskan would likely be an endo since they required fat for warmth and famines. An African would likely be a meso due to their increased need to hunt for food.

I wonder how well an alaskan baby would adapt if raised in Africa from day one, or vice versa.

Originally Posted by Merkaba

I wonder how well an alaskan baby would adapt if raised in Africa from day one, or vice versa.

Without modern day technology they would have died.

Originally Posted by KelJu

Without modern day technology they would have died.

Why is that?

In hot climates people evolved fat distribution centered on their ass. This keeps the insulating mass away from the organs.

Funny but true.

do you think that you could determine that due to your particular mix of race that you are lets say 60% endo and 40% meso or something like that.

In some cases yes but in many, I'd say most cases, no.

I don't want to sound snobbish or anything but I've travelled around the world a lot more than most people, especially Asia. I've seen every type of morph going in every race I've seen.

Maybe we are just too intermingled already (my wife for example is Malaysian, but part Indian, while I have a lot of Germanic blood with blue eyes but dark hair. How would you describe our kids?)

Even here on the island of Borneo you'll find Malaysians, Indians, Chinese, Iban and various mixtures, including "eurasians" (white and Asian mix). "Iban" is a bit of a catch all though, with at least 4 different races and about 20 languages. There's noticable differences between the people on the Indonesian islands around Borneo too.

So different races are different yes, undoubtably. But walk into a McDonalds in Singapore, Java or anywhere else and you'll find fat people. Why? Because they eat a lot of crap.

Whenever I travel I normally visit local gyms, if only to pimp my software Strangely the people in gyms tend to be lean, muscular and generally fit? Why? Well you know why.

Ironically the one place I typically see fat weak and "need work" physiques is in UK gyms, but again a wide variety of races. There it tends to be a matter of being in the gym because they need work, so they turn up, flap their arms around and go home again to the TV.

There's just too much variety among people to define them by race when it comes to their body. Facial features yes, physique not so much.

If you look at some of the really tall skinny African races and compare them to the average Eskimo you'll see a difference but you really do need to start pushing at such extremes to see much real differenciation. Among people in general I'd say lifestyle, including diet, makes up 80% or more.

For those in the realms of genetic predisposition to some particular body type beyond the reach of diet and so on, you'll find those in all races.

I guess my point here is I don't want to see anyone sliding into genetic excuses. 99.9% of people are nowhere near their max capacity for the physique they want. Push your physique to it's absolute max and THEN complain about your genetics


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