'To the Extreme' response.

jhawkin1 · 02-08-2009, 11:59 AM

I am currently cutting, here's my diet if anyone wants to know or has any questions on stats: FitDay Free Calorie Counter and Diet Journal:*Public Journal Recently, my parents have been getting on me, saying that I take this diet thing "to the extreme". They say I do not hit all the food groups on the pyramid, which is 'unhealthy'. I do not eat bread and red meat so they think that I am a crazy diet guy.

How does one respond to this talk? I'm not sure how to cover my butt. Obviously, I need to work on getting more vegetables in my diet, but my health has been great to say the least. Any suggestions?

**Merkaba** · 02-08-2009, 01:09 PM

If they have a problem with you not eating bread then it seems there's little you can do! haha. Get more veggies and keep your mouth shut and prove your cause through actions. Either that or tell 'em to screw off!

jhawkin1 · 02-08-2009, 01:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Merkaba

If they have a problem with you not eating bread then it seems there's little you can do! haha. Get more veggies and keep your mouth shut and prove your cause through actions. Either that or tell 'em to screw off!

They think im too obsessed with losing weight, and they think that 153 pounds is way too thin. If I go over that they think I'm going over the edge.

**Built** · 02-08-2009, 01:30 PM

How tall are you?

PS you now know my opinion of red meat. Mmm... meat...

jhawkin1 · 02-08-2009, 01:36 PM

I am 5 feet 7 inches

**Built** · 02-08-2009, 01:38 PM

How low do you figure you need to cut to see the definition you're shooting for?

jhawkin1 · 02-08-2009, 01:48 PM

I would say low 40s

**Built** · 02-08-2009, 01:52 PM

That is kinda small for a guy. You sure you don't want to just recomp for a bit?

Ben dur · 02-08-2009, 02:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Built

That is kinda small for a guy. You sure you don't want to just recomp for a bit?

155 is a very athletic weight

when i was 165+- (im a little taller) i was sprinting like a jack rabbit, doing pullups like a monkey and jumping 10 feet high

or so it seemed

there is nothing like being lightweight
but then

there is nothing like having the muscle to perform well

155 at your height would be a very athletic weight
plenty of muscle
still light enough for some explosive movements

140's and i think youd look a little frail

Ben dur · 02-08-2009, 02:35 PM

"that bread tastes like shit"

jhawkin1 · 02-08-2009, 02:50 PM

I think you are exactly right. As well as Built. I need to Recomp. but try and cut up a bit more, which takes some weight loss. Maybe higher 140's at the most? I still have some body fat around my stomach area and obviously since one cannot spot reduce body fat, I must lose a couple of pounds in order to get rid of it.

I will go with Built's recomp. plan, whatever it takes.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ben dur

155 is a very athletic weight

when i was 165+- (im a little taller) i was sprinting like a jack rabbit, doing pullups like a monkey and jumping 10 feet high

or so it seemed

there is nothing like being lightweight
but then

there is nothing like having the muscle to perform well

155 at your height would be a very athletic weight
plenty of muscle
still light enough for some explosive movements

140's and i think youd look a little frail

Ben dur · 02-08-2009, 04:11 PM

what bf% are you at now?

jhawkin1 · 02-08-2009, 04:12 PM

I'd say around 12-13%

Ngordyn · 02-08-2009, 05:17 PM

a im same height as you and and weigh about 155 currently bulking to 160 ......im sitting at 11% BF

jhawkin1 · 02-08-2009, 05:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ngordyn

a im same height as you and and weigh about 155 currently bulking to 160 ......im sitting at 11% BF

Looks like we have different goals.

Ben dur · 02-08-2009, 06:14 PM

cut down to about 150 and youll be around 10%

then try to put on some real lean mass

youd be suprised how impressive the diference could be from

153 12%
and 155 sub10%

jhawkin1 · 02-08-2009, 06:19 PM

I could drop my body fat down, but when you say out more
Lean muscle mass don't you gain some or that body fat back as well as lean muscle mass?

Ben dur · 02-08-2009, 06:35 PM

people will argue...

but ive done it at times...
(add lean muscle mass while reducing or keeping current body fat)

jhawkin1 · 02-08-2009, 06:52 PM

What do your calories run at maintenance, above, below? Carbs cycle?

Ngordyn · 02-08-2009, 07:25 PM

see i dont play sports , i used to play baseball way way back lol but only thing i compete in now is powerlifting and thats very rare and when i get bored of just training for size gives another goal to focus on , so i am trying to bulk to 160/165 and then cut after that hopefully hitting 155 at about 8-9% bf then doing it all over again etc etc etc

jhawkin1 · 02-08-2009, 07:53 PM

I'm currently not playing any sports, just straight ol' caloric deficit in combination with lifting and HIIT training and SS cardio.

I will try that, I have a long time to do it, but I am going to try going a different route first along with one of my great mentors. She's been great and has given me every bit of good advice one could possibly ask for. If it wasn't for her, I'd be lost for sure.

Ben dur · 02-08-2009, 10:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jhawkin1

What do your calories run at maintenance, above, below? Carbs cycle?

in order to gain weight in any form you MUST run above maint.

the key is to limit the excess calories
and to get them from good sources

i would say when i have added lean muscle i was consuming all of my additional calories in lean protein

and i only ran 2 or 3 hundred above maint.

i was consuming all whole grains, no sugars, and lean meats

my pre workout was oats and whey, my post workout was oats and whey
i was running 2 times a week
and lifting 4 times a week

alot of people would say i was overtraining...
but moving up in weight and adding no fat
without the use of any substances, speaks for itself

in theory if you could gain muscle without ANY change in body fat at all, your body fat % would decrease... i do not agree with the idea that no matter what you put on fat on a bulk, no mater what you lose muscle on a cut.

extreme diets cause extremities yes
but carefull diet and hard work can cause incredible things

jhawkin1 · 02-09-2009, 12:07 AM

Something to keep in mind for future. Very good info thanks! I willhave to put it to good use!

02-08-2009, 11:59 AM	#1
jhawkin1 Registered User Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 496	'To the Extreme' response. I am currently cutting, here's my diet if anyone wants to know or has any questions on stats: FitDay Free Calorie Counter and Diet Journal:*Public Journal Recently, my parents have been getting on me, saying that I take this diet thing "to the extreme". They say I do not hit all the food groups on the pyramid, which is 'unhealthy'. I do not eat bread and red meat so they think that I am a crazy diet guy. How does one respond to this talk? I'm not sure how to cover my butt. Obviously, I need to work on getting more vegetables in my diet, but my health has been great to say the least. Any suggestions? Goal: 8% Body Fat, maintain majority of muscle mass New Years Resolution: Build up my lower body

02-08-2009, 01:09 PM	#2
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02-08-2009, 01:30 PM	#4
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02-08-2009, 01:36 PM	#5
jhawkin1 Registered User Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 496	I am 5 feet 7 inches Goal: 8% Body Fat, maintain majority of muscle mass New Years Resolution: Build up my lower body

02-08-2009, 01:38 PM	#6
Built Bioidentical Bodybuilder Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: . Posts: 6,120	How low do you figure you need to cut to see the definition you're shooting for? Wondering where to start? Confused? This will get you started. Daredevils are Shredded Find out why... (Now you can find out why... in Hebrew!) UD2.Built - My UD2.0 setup.

02-08-2009, 01:48 PM	#7
jhawkin1 Registered User Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 496	I would say low 40s Goal: 8% Body Fat, maintain majority of muscle mass New Years Resolution: Build up my lower body

02-08-2009, 01:52 PM	#8
Built Bioidentical Bodybuilder Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: . Posts: 6,120	That is kinda small for a guy. You sure you don't want to just recomp for a bit? Wondering where to start? Confused? This will get you started. Daredevils are Shredded Find out why... (Now you can find out why... in Hebrew!) UD2.Built - My UD2.0 setup.

02-08-2009, 02:35 PM	#10
Ben dur Registered User Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Milton FL Posts: 1,235 Photos: 6	"that bread tastes like shit" 21 5'11" ~175lbs 8% on elec. analyzer

02-08-2009, 04:11 PM	#12
Ben dur Registered User Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Milton FL Posts: 1,235 Photos: 6	what bf% are you at now? 21 5'11" ~175lbs 8% on elec. analyzer

02-08-2009, 04:12 PM	#13
jhawkin1 Registered User Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 496	I'd say around 12-13% Goal: 8% Body Fat, maintain majority of muscle mass New Years Resolution: Build up my lower body

02-08-2009, 05:17 PM	#14
Ngordyn Registered User Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: canada, ontario Posts: 430 Photos: 2	a im same height as you and and weigh about 155 currently bulking to 160 ......im sitting at 11% BF Life is hard, Train harder My Goals Blog go big or go home friend " man i am not feeling the gym today" me " all i hear is la la la i am a little bitch"

02-08-2009, 06:14 PM	#16
Ben dur Registered User Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Milton FL Posts: 1,235 Photos: 6	cut down to about 150 and youll be around 10% then try to put on some real lean mass youd be suprised how impressive the diference could be from 153 12% and 155 sub10% 21 5'11" ~175lbs 8% on elec. analyzer

02-08-2009, 06:19 PM	#17
jhawkin1 Registered User Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 496	I could drop my body fat down, but when you say out more Lean muscle mass don't you gain some or that body fat back as well as lean muscle mass? Goal: 8% Body Fat, maintain majority of muscle mass New Years Resolution: Build up my lower body

02-08-2009, 06:35 PM	#18
Ben dur Registered User Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Milton FL Posts: 1,235 Photos: 6	people will argue... but ive done it at times... (add lean muscle mass while reducing or keeping current body fat) 21 5'11" ~175lbs 8% on elec. analyzer

02-08-2009, 06:52 PM	#19
jhawkin1 Registered User Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 496	What do your calories run at maintenance, above, below? Carbs cycle? Goal: 8% Body Fat, maintain majority of muscle mass New Years Resolution: Build up my lower body

02-08-2009, 07:25 PM	#20
Ngordyn Registered User Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: canada, ontario Posts: 430 Photos: 2	see i dont play sports , i used to play baseball way way back lol but only thing i compete in now is powerlifting and thats very rare and when i get bored of just training for size gives another goal to focus on , so i am trying to bulk to 160/165 and then cut after that hopefully hitting 155 at about 8-9% bf then doing it all over again etc etc etc Life is hard, Train harder My Goals Blog go big or go home friend " man i am not feeling the gym today" me " all i hear is la la la i am a little bitch"

02-08-2009, 07:53 PM	#21
jhawkin1 Registered User Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 496	I'm currently not playing any sports, just straight ol' caloric deficit in combination with lifting and HIIT training and SS cardio. I will try that, I have a long time to do it, but I am going to try going a different route first along with one of my great mentors. She's been great and has given me every bit of good advice one could possibly ask for. If it wasn't for her, I'd be lost for sure. Goal: 8% Body Fat, maintain majority of muscle mass New Years Resolution: Build up my lower body

02-09-2009, 12:07 AM	#23
jhawkin1 Registered User Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 496	Something to keep in mind for future. Very good info thanks! I willhave to put it to good use! Goal: 8% Body Fat, maintain majority of muscle mass New Years Resolution: Build up my lower body

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