post-workout shake - this good?

J1M · 07-31-2002, 10:14 AM

immediately after workout
5g creatine + 50g dextrose

followed by (10-30 min drive home)

40g whey
30g maltodextrose
30g dextrose
5 l-glutamine

Dr. Pain · 07-31-2002, 10:15 AM

Depends on your goals, and stats like BW, metabolism, Somatotype, etc?

DP

J1M · 07-31-2002, 11:17 AM

trying to bulk up right now, i'm around 12-15 bf% 155 lbs 5'9" 16 yr old male, my metab is slow compared to like my friends who eat cheetos & candy for every meal and never gain weight.
hope that helps

KataMaStEr · 07-31-2002, 12:01 PM

Yup in you tring to bulk then that would be good shake

KataMaStEr · 07-31-2002, 12:03 PM

I would increase the glutamine to 15-25 g a day for best result. I never actually saw any benefits from taking 5g…

J1M · 07-31-2002, 12:51 PM

i take 25 through out the day

5g of it and 5g @ wakeup, morning protein shake, 10 after workout and 5 before bed

glad i started coming to these board more now

Yanick · 07-31-2002, 12:59 PM

I personally feel that the first serving of dextrose is enough and the added maltodextrin and dextrose 30min later will not help. But then again thats just me.

LAM · 07-31-2002, 03:45 PM

that's a very high intake of glucose based sugars which will surely cause a negative-sided insulin spike and would result is almost zero absorption of the creatine and whey...

w8lifter · 07-31-2002, 08:52 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by LAM
that's a very high intake of glucose based sugars which will surely cause a negative-sided insulin spike and would result is almost zero absorption of the creatine and whey...

What is this supposed to mean LAM...can you explain what you're talking about?

What exactly is a "negative-sided insulin spike" and how would it result in zero absorption???

KataMaStEr · 07-31-2002, 09:19 PM

Ok I'm lost

mama's boy · 08-01-2002, 01:01 AM

J1M,

As long as the dextrose and maltodextrin is derived from Sweetarts and Smarties, I say it's a go!

LAM · 08-01-2002, 02:23 PM

a severly high insulin spike and glycogen response while cause GI upset based on the immediate amino and energy release into the blood stream and it will cause you to not absorb any of the nutrients from either the creatine (or any protein like whey) becasue the whey will pass through the digestive tract without GUT migration (it will not be around long enogh to supply any substantial nutritional support for muscle growth) and the creatine - due to the high GI upset and the activation of digestive fluids and stomach acid (which happens during GI upset) will result in a rasied pH level in the stomach which will cause a creatine to creatinine conversion - thereby negating any effects of the creatine - as it will be converted to creatinine by the pH shift and not be absorable or useable by the body (because it is no longer creatine - it is creatinine).

KataMaStEr · 08-01-2002, 02:26 PM

Thx for the explanation man. Back on tack now …

J1M · 08-01-2002, 03:06 PM

that recipe is a friend on mines, i dont put the dextrose in on my protein shake (only malto,whey,L-glut)

Robboe · 08-01-2002, 03:07 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by KataMaStEr
Thx for the explanation man. Back on tack now …

I'm glad you are cause i'm totally fucking lost after his explanation.

J1M · 08-01-2002, 03:09 PM

in simpler terms

extra dextrose=not needed/bad for absorbtion

w8lifter · 08-01-2002, 03:11 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by The_Chicken_Daddy

I'm glad you are cause i'm totally fucking lost after his explanation.

BWAHAHA...I'm glad I'm not the only one!

07-31-2002, 10:14 AM	#1
J1M hungry for mrp Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: michigan Posts: 14	post-workout shake - this good? immediately after workout 5g creatine + 50g dextrose followed by (10-30 min drive home) 40g whey 30g maltodextrose 30g dextrose 5 l-glutamine

07-31-2002, 12:59 PM	#7
Yanick Amor Fati Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 3,820	I personally feel that the first serving of dextrose is enough and the added maltodextrin and dextrose 30min later will not help. But then again thats just me.
Yanick Amor Fati Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 3,820	"...we have to remember that training is a complicated dance of stimuli and response. Our goal is to understand how to manipulate the stimuli in order to evoke the responses we desire." -Nathan J. Polenchek

07-31-2002, 03:45 PM	#8
LAM Gym ratt/Part-time pimp Join Date: May 2002 Location: Las Vegas, NV Posts: 7,384 Photos: 2	that's a very high intake of glucose based sugars which will surely cause a negative-sided insulin spike and would result is almost zero absorption of the creatine and whey...
	Dumbest statement made in the Anabolic Zone for Nov TBD ----------------------------------------------------- What you talking about Willis ?

08-01-2002, 02:23 PM	#12
LAM Gym ratt/Part-time pimp Join Date: May 2002 Location: Las Vegas, NV Posts: 7,384 Photos: 2	a severly high insulin spike and glycogen response while cause GI upset based on the immediate amino and energy release into the blood stream and it will cause you to not absorb any of the nutrients from either the creatine (or any protein like whey) becasue the whey will pass through the digestive tract without GUT migration (it will not be around long enogh to supply any substantial nutritional support for muscle growth) and the creatine - due to the high GI upset and the activation of digestive fluids and stomach acid (which happens during GI upset) will result in a rasied pH level in the stomach which will cause a creatine to creatinine conversion - thereby negating any effects of the creatine - as it will be converted to creatinine by the pH shift and not be absorable or useable by the body (because it is no longer creatine - it is creatinine).
	Dumbest statement made in the Anabolic Zone for Nov TBD ----------------------------------------------------- What you talking about Willis ?

08-01-2002, 03:06 PM	#14
J1M hungry for mrp Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: michigan Posts: 14	that recipe is a friend on mines, i dont put the dextrose in on my protein shake (only malto,whey,L-glut)
	i am the smilies king

07-31-2002, 10:15 AM	#2
Dr. Pain Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Get the Duct Tape...I'm Ripped Again! Posts: 11,239	Depends on your goals, and stats like BW, metabolism, Somatotype, etc? DP

07-31-2002, 11:17 AM	#3
J1M hungry for mrp Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: michigan Posts: 14	trying to bulk up right now, i'm around 12-15 bf% 155 lbs 5'9" 16 yr old male, my metab is slow compared to like my friends who eat cheetos & candy for every meal and never gain weight. hope that helps

07-31-2002, 12:01 PM	#4
KataMaStEr -==♠==- Elite Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Sunshine State Posts: 1,960 Photos: 6	Yup in you tring to bulk then that would be good shake

07-31-2002, 12:03 PM	#5
KataMaStEr -==♠==- Elite Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Sunshine State Posts: 1,960 Photos: 6	I would increase the glutamine to 15-25 g a day for best result. I never actually saw any benefits from taking 5g…

07-31-2002, 12:51 PM	#6
J1M hungry for mrp Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: michigan Posts: 14	i take 25 through out the day 5g of it and 5g @ wakeup, morning protein shake, 10 after workout and 5 before bed glad i started coming to these board more now

07-31-2002, 09:19 PM	#10
KataMaStEr -==♠==- Elite Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Sunshine State Posts: 1,960 Photos: 6	Ok I'm lost

08-01-2002, 01:01 AM	#11
mama's boy Fat Loss Enthuiast Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Oregon Posts: 112	J1M, As long as the dextrose and maltodextrin is derived from Sweetarts and Smarties, I say it's a go!

08-01-2002, 02:26 PM	#13
KataMaStEr -==♠==- Elite Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Sunshine State Posts: 1,960 Photos: 6	Thx for the explanation man. Back on tack now …

08-01-2002, 03:09 PM	#16
J1M hungry for mrp Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: michigan Posts: 14	in simpler terms extra dextrose=not needed/bad for absorbtion
	i am the smilies king

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