Thread: Cutting for the Six Pack

Originally Posted by Just_Moe

also just to pick at a scab--for 4 weeks total you took gray area. If I did not diet and train for 4 weeks there would be a measurable level of difference, right?
visa vi? That is the difference in our minds as "life long" or not. We are just finicky people I guess.

Just the other day on Super Human Radio I did an interview with Carl Lenore and mentioned my 4 weeks of PH use out of 23 years of training. So you are right, I am 22 years and 11 months natural and 4 weeks gray area. But again, the physique I display today has zero to do with those 4 weeks, and I turned pro using nothing more than BCAA's and vitamins.

I have never failed a drug test, and at 40 am still improving my physique every year...and taking random drugs tests throughout the year, which will be publicly posted.

So as long as you pass drug tests, you're natural?

Originally Posted by Moondogg

For me:

Natural = never chemically increased their ability for hypertrophy

Edit: that doesnt work, they could be used for muscle prevention during a cut, thats not hypertrophy?! You know what I mean.

read my earlier post on previous page.

define a chemical.

Originally Posted by Moondogg

For me:

Natural = never chemically increased their ability for hypertrophy

Edit: that doesnt work, they could be used for muscle prevention during a cut, thats not hypertrophy?! You know what I mean.

so if used for strength it is still a natural athlete

It wasn't grey area. It was anabolic androgenic steroids.

Originally Posted by Built

So as long as you pass drug tests, you're natural?

I am waiting for my MLB contract right now in fact!

Originally Posted by Built

So as long as you pass drug tests, you're natural?

its subjective, in one way or another we are ALL unnatural, we all consume chemicals of some sort or have at one time, maybe not hormones, but man made substances.

For me: a natural bodybuilder is one that is not using anabolic steroids and has not used them for at least one year, because I don't believe anyone can maintain the amount of muscle they will using AAS, its not physiologically possible.

Originally Posted by Built

It wasn't grey area. It was anabolic androgenic steroids.

natty body building moral turpitude

ok...great. You're not natural anymore, gorpo. It's ok. I'm not either-I'm enjoying tipping the scales at 230 lbs. Feels good to face reality. So, presumably, you have no business being in a natural federation.
You should also relinquish this lifetime natural idiom.

Originally Posted by Prince

read my earlier post on previous page.

define a chemical.

Thats why I tried to use 'hypertrophy', because how do you define one chemical from another over such a broad spectrum?

Originally Posted by Built

It wasn't grey area. It was anabolic androgenic steroids.

a pro-hormone is not an anabolic steroid, until converted in the body its inactive.

Originally Posted by Built

So as long as you pass drug tests, you're natural?

I was just mentioning that. Obviously there are ways to beat scheduled drug tests, which is why AAEFX tests its athletes with zero notice. Its basically....go to the lab today and piss. And being that all I use and have used for 22 and 11/12 years out of 23 is the most basic supplements, well, I say bring it on AAEFX!

Originally Posted by juggernaut

So, presumably, you have no business being in a natural federation.

to qualify as a Natrual NGA Pro you only have to be natural for 7 years, not life.

Originally Posted by juggernaut

ok...great. You're not natural anymore, gorpo. It's ok. I'm not either-I'm enjoying tipping the scales at 230 lbs. Feels good to face reality. So, presumably, you have no business being in a natural federation.
You should also relinquish this lifetime natural idiom.

I do relinquish it, which is why I publicly state my 4 weeks of use, which has nothing to do with the 220 lbs at low single digit bodyfat I hold onstage today. And the only natural federation I suppose I would have no business being in would be one that is LIFETIME drug free, of which there are none.

Originally Posted by Prince

a pro-hormone is not an anabolic steroid, until converted in the body its inactive.

Well first up, it is indeed a steroid. Steroids can and are precursors - prohormones - to other steroids - case in point testosterone to DHT, through 5-alpha reductase.

So the next question: does the prohormone raise the levels of active to supraphysiologic levels?

Because if they don't, then why are they banned by the IOC and natty bodybuilding associations, and why won't gopro use them now? I mean, he's already popped that cherry, it's not like they're new to him.

I am closing this thread because it has gone way off topic.