Thread: Will carbs matter in this situation?

This thread should be in the 'diet' section of the forums

What type of carbs were they (based on your feeling bad)? If you get at least 1g/lb of body weight of protein, and at least 1/2g/per lb of body weight of healthy fats, and your calories don't go over maintenance- I don't see anything wrong with it. I would keep those carbs for only lifting days though- but that's me. We all are different here!

Originally Posted by someguy1984

If you want to maintain, or maybe put on a little muscle slowly, does it matter how many carbs you consume in a day? This is implying you lift weights and have a good pre/post workout plan, and are having 1g of protein per body weight everyday.

I'm not talking about a bulk, more maintaining my weight and maybe eating over maintenance a few times a week.

I'm happy with my weight, but wouldn't mind adding muscle slowly. I just want to know if i can relax on eating low carbs and have chick filet or something every now and then...Usually, I'll get the nugget meal, which will run me about 65g of carbs...

Today, I ate 2200 calories, but had 195g of carbs!!! That's really high for me. I generally don't go over 100g and i feel really bad now....(Need some advice)

Technically speaking, i believe 40-50% of your daily caloric requirements are in the form of carbs...So, in reality this isn't that many carbs i suppose...Unless you only ate 1500 calories...If you ate 2500 calories today, this would only be about 31% carbs...Seems normal to me...

Originally Posted by cutnbulk

What type of carbs were they (based on your feeling bad)? If you get at least 1g/lb of body weight of protein, and at least 1/2g/per lb of body weight of healthy fats, and your calories don't go over maintenance- I don't see anything wrong with it. I would keep those carbs for only lifting days though- but that's me. We all are different here!

I had 1/2 cup of oatmeal. (26g) Protein bar after doing cardio/abs at the gym. (25g carbs) Nuts. (4g carbs) Mixed vegetables with a small red potato. (22g) Chicken pita sandwich from yaya's. (44g) Now, the big one...Nuggets from chick filet. (15g carbs) Waffle fries!!! (51g carbs)

I had a total of 155g of protein today. I've also heard chick filet is one of the better fast food options, since the chicken is better...Which is why i got the nuggets, instead of a sandwich. (No white bread for me) Then again, the pita isn't much better...The waffle fries are pretty terrible i suppose...

Originally Posted by C6zo6

Technically speaking, i believe 40-50% of your daily caloric requirements are in the form of carbs...

They are?

I must have died!


White bread isn't any better/worse than a pita.

Nuggets are deep-fried, aren't they?

I am dieing to, my daily carbs are about 5% max.

Originally Posted by Built

White bread isn't any better/worse than a pita.

Calorie/Macro wise nah but white bread has absolutely no nutrition basically, it's all been stripped away. I avoid it for that reason personally, but in moderation I guess it should be fine.

Except for italian bread. That shits ballin.

Originally Posted by Built

They are?

I must have died!


White bread isn't any better/worse than a pita.

Nuggets are deep-fried, aren't they?

Yeah, for a typical person this is the USDA recommendation. Major Nutrients: Carbohydrates, Proteins and Fats : Consumers : Food and Nutrition Information Center

McKinley Health Center - Macronutrients: the Importance of Carbohydrate, Protein, and Fat - University of Illinois

lol, answer the posters question. I was just giving my opinion and USDA's recommendation i cited...What does it matter if the nuggets are fried? I didn't eat it...I believe they use peanut oil, which is a tad better. Nuggets from chick filet aren't necessarily a healthy choice. I think the poster knows this as well, hence the point of the thread.

the USDA is not worth s shit though.

Originally Posted by C6zo6

Yeah, for a typical person this is the USDA recommendation. Major Nutrients: Carbohydrates, Proteins and Fats : Consumers : Food and Nutrition Information Center

McKinley Health Center - Macronutrients: the Importance of Carbohydrate, Protein, and Fat - University of Illinois

lol, answer the posters question. I was just giving my opinion and USDA's recommendation i cited...What does it matter if the nuggets are fried? I didn't eat it...I believe they use peanut oil, which is a tad better. Nuggets from chick filet aren't necessarily a healthy choice. I think the poster knows this as well, hence the point of the thread.

Uh dude the RDA for protein according to them is like 40g. The government knows jack shit about health.

They aren't selling an optimal health guide though - it's an economic model to feed the nation and keep them non-dead on the resources available. Look up "linear programming" and "the diet problem" sometime and you'll see what I mean.

C6zo6, the reason I mentioned "fried" is that this isn't so much a carb choice as a fat-choice. LOL! It's like eating donuts and fries for the carbs LMAO!

Originally Posted by danzik17

Uh dude the RDA for protein according to them is like 40g. The government knows jack shit about health.

This is a very tediously dull statement...Your claiming you know more than the USDA?

They are not body builders...

40g of protein daily for a typical person is fine. They are not body builders, or athletes. You can be 100% healthy following their recommendations. They suggest eating excellent sources of food and everything is balanced adequately.

Whatever. I'm not interested in arguing the point here. Nutrition 101 is that the USDA RDA is full of shit imo, but it's not something I'm going to get dragged into.

Originally Posted by C6zo6

This is a very tediously dull statement...Your claiming you know more than the USDA?

They are not body builders...

40g of protein daily for a typical person is fine. They are not body builders, or athletes. You can be 100% healthy following their recommendations. They suggest eating excellent sources of food and everything is balanced adequately.

It might be adequte, but it ain't comfortable! Protein is satiating - look around you. Most folks are fat.

If they ate more protein, they'd be less hungry.

<< wants a steak right about now...

Originally Posted by Built

They aren't selling an optimal health guide though - it's an economic model to feed the nation and keep them non-dead on the resources available. Look up "linear programming" and "the diet problem" sometime and you'll see what I mean.

C6zo6, the reason I mentioned "fried" is that this isn't so much a carb choice as a fat-choice. LOL! It's like eating donuts and fries for the carbs LMAO!

Lol, i don't believe it's an economic model to feed the nation." Research is done and they aren't just throwing out random foods to eat. They are telling you to eat foods that are good for you...Their is nothing wrong with consuming 50% of your carbs from good sources...It's not like they are telling you to go out and eat waffle fries, lol.

"What is a "Healthy Diet"?
The Dietary Guidelines describe a healthy diet as one that

* Emphasizes fruits, vegetables, whole grains, and fat-free or low-fat milk and milk products;
* Includes lean meats, poultry, fish, beans, eggs, and nuts; and
* Is low in saturated fats, trans fats, cholesterol, salt (sodium), and added sugars.

The recommendations in the Dietary Guidelines and in MyPyramid are for the general public over 2 years of age. MyPyramid is not a therapeutic diet for any specific health condition. Individuals with a chronic health condition should consult with a health care provider to determine what dietary pattern is appropriate for them.

MyPyramid helps individuals use the Dietary Guidelines to:

* Make smart choices from every food group.
* Find balance between food and physical activity.
* Get the most nutrition out of calories.
* Stay within daily calorie needs."

MyPyramid.gov - United States Department of Agriculture - Dietary Guidelines

I think it's a little arrogant for anyone to claim the USDA in general is not a helpful guideline...


True, but the waffle fries have a hefty amount of carbs in them...I mean, i thought fat was a better alternative anyway? That whole meal is only a total of 9g saturated fat. So, in reality the meal doesn't seem to terrible in my eyes...

Originally Posted by Built

It might be adequte, but it ain't comfortable! Protein is satiating - look around you. Most folks are fat.

If they ate more protein, they'd be less hungry.

<< wants a steak right about now...

Not true for everyone...Ironically, rice fills me up for hours. Most people claim it will make you hungry immediately. Obesity in America has to do with the individual. It all comes down to what that particular person chooses to eat. They know how much they're eating, regardless what the food is. A fat person will simply eat a lot more food...It could be junk food, or healthy food. Generally, it's fast food. But, high fructose corn syrup has been known to actually increase hunger. I believe this, because after i have a cheeseburger from McDonald's, i tend to get hungry. This is due to the injected HFCS in the bread...

But, what about all the fat people who eat fast food everyday? They are consuming well over 150g of protein, but still gaining weight...The meal described above is almost 50g of protein and around 800 calories. My point is, people who eat bad, DO consume high amounts of protein, but it's irrelevant.

It's the persons choice to eat, eat, eat...In my opinion, soda is the number one cause of obesity, because no one realizes how many calories are in a can and drink it like water...

There's more to it than that. It's true, carbs are satiating for some. For the obese or the formerly fat, however, the satiety induced through the insulin response is impaired.

This is compounded by high fructose consumption - when glucose is consumed, it stimulates an insulin response, right? Fructose doesn't do that, and a beverage sweetened with both fructose and sucrose behaves more like a beverage sweetened with just fructose - once again, satiety is impaired.

Note that this is not just soft drinks that are implicated, although you are quite correct, it's ridiculously easy to drink a LOT of unsatisfying calories when you drink sweet beverages like coca cola or the virtually-identical (with regard to sugar profile) fruit juice.

Get kids drinking fruit juice, they load up on fructose, it impairs insulin-mediated satiety, and now the high-carb diet they're eating won't satiate them either. So they eat. And eat. And eat - and the high calorie crap is EVERYWHERE, and CHEAP.

Oh, you got me started...

Sugar profile comparison – unsweetened orange juice vs cola drink

Orange juice - 8 ounces
• 117 calories
• 25.79g carbohydrate
• Carbohydrate, by difference g 27.39
• Fiber, total dietary g 0.7
• Sugars, total g 21.79
• Sucrose g 10.10
• Glucose (dextrose) g 5.65
• Fructose g 6.05

Coca Cola - 8 ounces
• 91 calories
• 23.48g carbohydrate
• 0g fibre
• 22.03g sugars

Noting that sucrose is a glucose bonded to a fructose, for convenience we will take 10.10g sucrose to be equivalent to 5.05g each frucose and glucose. The sugar in soda pop is almost always HFCS55, which is 55% fructose and 45% glucose.

Summing across the sugars in this way, we see the following:
8 ounce serving
Orange juice: 10.7g dextrose 11.2g fructose 21.8g total sugar

Coca cola: 9.9g dextrose 12.1g fructose 22.0g total sugar

Originally Posted by C6zo6

This is a very tediously dull statement...Your claiming you know more than the USDA?

its outdated, here is a little Q & A I wrote years go:

What exactly is the RDA? Is this how I should determine if I am getting adequate nutrition?

Originally Posted by Built

There's more to it than that. It's true, carbs are satiating for some. For the obese or the formerly fat, however, the satiety induced through the insulin response is impaired.

This is compounded by high fructose consumption - when glucose is consumed, it stimulates an insulin response, right? Fructose doesn't do that, and a beverage sweetened with both fructose and sucrose behaves more like a beverage sweetened with just fructose - once again, satiety is impaired.

Note that this is not just soft drinks that are implicated, although you are quite correct, it's ridiculously easy to drink a LOT of unsatisfying calories when you drink sweet beverages like coca cola or the virtually-identical (with regard to sugar profile) fruit juice.

Get kids drinking fruit juice, they load up on fructose, it impairs insulin-mediated satiety, and now the high-carb diet they're eating won't satiate them either. So they eat. And eat. And eat - and the high calorie crap is EVERYWHERE, and CHEAP.

Oh, you got me started...

Knowledge is all in good fun. I like that i got you started.

Bringing kids into this discussion is beyond irrelevant. The PARENTS are the ones who choose what the kids should eat. I don't care if that child say's he/she is starving. If the PARENT is giving his/her child these HFCS plasticized foods and sugary beverages, the kids wouldn't have these cravings.

It's the uneducated parents who eat poorly themselves and pass it on to their kids. Those kids pass it on to their kids and so on...80% of America obese...I still will always stand by my opinion that obesity is an option. Anyone can diet and we all know when we eat poorly. These so called "cravings" that people have...I'm sure people have them. (I don't) But, girls and their hormones...I'm not getting into that, lol. But, do you have to slam a quarter pounder with cheese? Or, do you have to eat 3 doughnuts? Come on, moderation people...Don't blame your cravings on the 2 double cheeseburgers and milkshakes you had for dinner...That's just ridiculous. Excuses, excuses, excuses. This makes me hungry, i need this, i need that, I'm fat because of genetics, I'm big boned, boo hoo...Save your pity for the lazy individuals who cry in vain.

Ok, so now I'm confused.

Was my 190g of carbs bad?

Should i avoid them, did i do ok for tonight?

I just want to know how many carbs is too much for everyday? Does it matter as long as i keep protein up?

Originally Posted by C6zo6

That's just ridiculous. Excuses, excuses, excuses. This makes me hungry, i need this, i need that, I'm fat because of genetics, I'm big boned, boo hoo...Save your pity for the lazy individuals who cry in vain.

lol, this is great. I seriously want to make this my sig. I hear overweight people constantly blaming their genetics. They also NEVER say it's their fault. It's always medical, or something...God forbid they just ate too much...LOL

Don't think it's so great yet, someguy. Built will come back with something far greater, lol.

Yeah, maybe.

Do you have an answer to my question? Was 190g of carbs to much for today? Can i eat that amount and not worry about weight gain?

Originally Posted by someguy1984

Yeah, maybe.

Do you have an answer to my question? Was 190g of carbs to much for today? Can i eat that amount and not worry about weight gain?

Well, ultimately it doesn't matter what you eat, as long as it fits into your macros. If your daily calorie maintenance is 2500 calories and you eat 3 doughnuts and a cheeseburger value meal, but you don't exceed 2500 calories, you shouldn't gain, or lose any weight...You should just stay the same.

If your bulking, it would be optimal to eat more nutrient dense foods. But then again, from my understanding as long as you eat 1g of protein per LBM, the rest really doesn't matter...You will be supplying you body with enough protein and obviously more than enough fat, since your not eating the best of foods...

So, if you want chick filet, a doughnut, McDonald's, snickers, go for it. Just keep your total calories in check. You don't sound like you want to be a body builder, so it really doesn't matter...Now, if we start getting into health and clogging arteries, that's a different story. But, i don't think you mean it in that way...

(Keep in mind, this is my opinion) Wait for built to respond, or someone else with a bit more knowledge. This is just what i understand to be the correct answer.

^^ I agree.

Originally Posted by Built

^^ I agree.

Thank you built.

Oh, and sorry if i offended you by saying all the stuff about overweight people and how it's their choice.

I wasn't trying to be rude, just explaining my thoughts from experience.

Medical standpoints are obviously a completely different scenario! They don't have an option!

See, that's the thing - they do. Hard to get the information, though.

I was fat because I was insulin resistant, and the standard dietary recommendations made me hungry, FREAKISHLY hungry.

Once I did Atkins, I was fine.

But I had to wait until I was thirty eight before somebody I trusted - in this case, my family doctor (I cited him on my Daredevils article) told me to buy Dr. Atkins New Diet Revolution.

Changed my world. Imagine, all my problems went away just with food.