What are you maintenance cals? Are you gaining weight at the minute?
Hey guys currently I am at 5' 7" 165lbs not sure about my body fat percentage. I been pretty much bulking since I started lifting, I've always been a hard gainer with a small frame. Anyways here is my diet with macros and all, any input is appreciated.
Meal 1- 10oz lean ground beef, 1 whole egg, 1 cup oats ~640 cals 65g protein 28g carbs 17g fat
Meal 2- Turkey wrap + scoop of whey w/ water~602 cals 44g protein 16.8g carbs 12.5g fat
Meal 3- Turkey Wrap + half scoop of Serious Mass~820 cals 32g protein 76.8g carbs 17g fat
Preworkout NO shotgun~81 cals 20g protein
Post workout- scoop whey + 1/2 cup maltodextrin +creatine mono + 80z grape juice ~ 480 cals 24g protein 91g carbs 1g fat
Meal 4- 1 1/2 cup rice + 8oz steak- 750 cals 60g protein 58g carbs 30g fat
Meal 5- 1 scoop casein +8oz milk+-265 cals 24g protein 13 g carb 10g fat.
Total on workout days- 3638 cals 269g protein 283.6g carbs 87.5g fat
Total on off days- 3367 cals 249g protein 236.6g carbs 87.5g fat
Besides a multi, all the supps I take are listed above. I work out Max-OT style 4 days a week and work up a hell of a sweat. On two of my off days I do about 15-20 mins on an excercise bike. I posted something similar to this on another forum but didn't get much feedback. Please comment on this guys.
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What are you maintenance cals? Are you gaining weight at the minute?
Im not entirely sure about my maintenance cals, and yes I have been steadily gaining weight and strength.
As long as your gaining weight, and getting at LEAST 1g of protein and 0.5g of fat per lb of lbm your good to go.
What does your training program look like?
double your protein itake post workout.
your diet sems right...you amy want to "clean" it up a bit if you up your calories tho...
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just out of curiosity: how much did you weigh when you first started lifting?
you say youve never cut and mostly bulk but you look pretty lean!
Personally I like to recommend the least amount of protein supps possible and more real food. But some disagree with that and feel it doesnt make a difference. I will tell you though, that I personally use to rely on protein drinks because of their convenience and when I switched to real food (it was tough at first to feel full all the time) there was a noticeable increase in my gains. Is there a reason why you use supps for more than 1/2 of your protein intake?
From what I have read it doesnt seem to me like you are much of a hardgainer.
If that even exists lol!
IMO it looks like your routine could use a little retouching...
But it seems like if you just keep doing what your doing you will keep gaining.
keep us posted if you stagnate and we can help with some periodization.
When I first started doing the typical bench and curls routine with the occasional protein shake I was around 115lbs at 16 years old. I recently turned 19 and I am very content with my progress. And like you said I take in alot of my protein from my shakes because I find it more convenient and cheaper than buying food.
PS: I jut did the math. I get around 48g from whey, 24g from casein, 20g from shotgun, and 12 from serious mass. Which puts it at around 38 percent of my total intake. Does that sound better?


What lifts and rep ranges do you do? How much do you lift for these exercises? How many sets?
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your muscles dont really care if you think you are focusing on your chest or your shoulders. when you bench press your shoulders, lats, triceps, and many more muscles are involved.
if you concentrated more on the overall movement (push pull, lower body, etc) you can get a better scope of how much volume your body can handle. this will help you achieve the maximum amount of growth in accordance to your diet.
also... 50lbs in less than 50 months... naturally... you are by no means a hardgainer... I would say you have some pretty good genes considering how lean you still are. you most likely wont keep gaining at this rate but dont let that keep you from working hard.
(Based on my most recent workouts)
Mon- Barbell Bench 3 x 6 295lbs
Incline dumbbell press 3 x 4-6 100lb Dbs
Decline Hammer Strength Machine 3 x 4-6 360lbs
Close Grip BP 3 x 4-6 225lb
Overhead Tricep Extension 3x 4-6 80lb db
Hammer Strength Dip Machine 3 x 4-6 270lbs
Tues- Deadlift 3 x 4-6 365lbs
BB row 3 x 4-6 205lbs
Wide grip pull ups 3 x 4-6
Db row 3 x 4-6 100lb Dbs
BB curl 3 x 4-6 105 lbs
Dumbell Preacher curl 3 x 4-6 45lb Db
Db preacher hammer curl 3 x 4-6 40lb Db
Thurs- BB squat 3 x 4-6 315lbs
BB SLDLs 3 x 4-6 315lbs
Db Lunges 3 x 4-6 85lb Dbs
Calf raises 6 x 8-12
Friday- BB military press 3 x 4-6 145lbs
Db front raises 3 x 4-6 40lb Db
Db side raise 3 x 4-6 35lb
Shrugs 6 x 6-8
Yea, I would like to see your exact training routine as well.
Also, how often do you change it up and when/if you do what exactly do you switch up?
Personally, I'm not a big fan of chest/tri's and back/bi's. I used to do that when I first started lifting and it pre exhaust the muscle way to much for my liking.
yes that is what I was getting at..
Ive read more than one published article that claim this type of attitude alone (the Hardgainer attitude) could limit your potential. its somewhere in the archives, pretty good read, check it out!
your lifts are pretty impressive for your age...
you should start logging your workouts. You can do it privately on you can do it on this forum in the journal section. It is a really good way to watch your progress and set short and long term attainable goals.
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