diet critique

raider6969 · 08-07-2002, 02:24 PM

i weigh around 210 pounds, 6 feet tall , fat around 15%.i eat every 3 hours.

meal 1
2/3 cup oatmeal
40 g whey

meal 2
5 eggs ( 3 whole)
20 g whey

meal 3
chicken breast
2 tbsn peanut butter

meal 4
2/3 cup brown rice
2 can tuna

meal 5
40 g whey
1 1/2 tbsn flax

meal 6
2 cans tuna
1/3 almonds

TheIcon2 · 08-07-2002, 02:49 PM

Need more green veggies. Especially Meal 2 and 3. (I am assuming you are trying to diet down)

Yanick · 08-07-2002, 03:23 PM

I would add fat in meal 1, some carbs in meal 2, and make sure that the pb is natural. Also eat more greens like Icon said.

EDIT:Also some fat in meal 4.

raider6969 · 08-07-2002, 03:28 PM

what type of veggies?
im trying to gain mass

Yanick · 08-07-2002, 04:10 PM

If you're trying to gain mass, go for carbs in every meal, but make sure they are slow burning with fat and protein to slow down digestion. Greens are lettuce, broccoli, celery etc.

mama's boy · 08-07-2002, 04:47 PM

Ditto to what Yan said. Fat in meals 1 and 4 if you need calories. Also, which is your post workout meal?

raider6969 · 08-07-2002, 07:12 PM

right after training i eat 40 g of whey with an apple

mama's boy · 08-08-2002, 01:05 AM

Quote:

right after training i eat 40 g of whey with an apple

Whey good, apple bad. Try another carb, preferrably one without sucrose or fructose. Potatoes, rice, maltodextrin, dextrose, oatmeal.... whatever. Just no fructose and no sucrose.

raider6969 · 08-08-2002, 06:31 AM

what is dextrose?

raider6969 · 08-08-2002, 06:34 AM

is there any fruits i can eat?

Yanick · 08-08-2002, 08:57 AM

Dextrose = Commercial form of glucose. Very High GI carb that will give you a huge insulin response driving the protein and what not into your muscles.

You can have fruits, just don't overdo them, and don't have them post w/o. Post workout you want Dextrose/Maltodextrin. Go to your local health food store, its really cheap. If you're going for the insulin spike, drop the fat in your post w/o meal. If you're doing DP style post w/o, then have a slow burning carb with fat and protein post w/o. Its up to you to decide.

Oh yeah fruits you can eat...

Blueberries
Raspberrie
Strawberries
Apples
Peaches
Banana's(Only post w/o, make sure they are ripe)
Grapefruit

raider6969 · 08-08-2002, 09:05 AM

whats the dp style?

w8lifter · 08-08-2002, 09:10 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by raider6969
whats the dp style?

No insulin spike post workout.

Either have protein and fat only on a cut or protein/fat and a slow burning carb such as oats/sweet potato/brown rice if on a bulk.

raider6969 · 08-08-2002, 09:39 AM

since im bulking , i should add carbs , but how much? normal quantity of a meal?

raider6969 · 08-08-2002, 09:47 AM

after your workout, dont you want the protein to be absorbed fast? isnt the fat and carbs gonna slow it down?

Yanick · 08-08-2002, 10:00 AM

As far as the carbs go, you need to figure it out yourself, it depends on your ratios, how many cals you're taking etc. So figure out your cals, then figure out how many carbs you need a day, then divide by 6 and you have your carbs for six meals. Then if you want to go for the spike, move them around and get bout 50g post w/o of High GI carbs for the spike.

DP style doesn't use an insulin spike though. People get good results with it, and minimize fat gain. Of course its up to you to decide what you want to do.

w8lifter · 08-08-2002, 01:22 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by raider6969
after your workout, dont you want the protein to be absorbed fast? isnt the fat and carbs gonna slow it down?

The carbs won't slow it down, but the fat will....but that's the whole point behind DP's diets!

08-08-2002, 02:09 PM

I recently read an article which stated that
consuming 8 grams of glutamine post workout
restores glycogen as effectively as consuming 61 grams
of glucose.
Thoughts????

raider6969 · 08-08-2002, 02:32 PM

since the fat will slow the whey absorption after the workout, will i get the same results with the dp as with the insuline spike?

w8lifter · 08-08-2002, 08:03 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Chest Rockwell
I recently read an article which stated that
consuming 8 grams of glutamine post workout
restores glycogen as effectively as consuming 61 grams
of glucose.
Thoughts????

Yeah....can ya post the article?

w8lifter · 08-08-2002, 08:06 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by raider6969
since the fat will slow the whey absorption after the workout, will i get the same results with the dp as with the insuline spike?

W/ DP's diet's you will gain LEAN body mass....unlike a regular bulk that utilizes insulin spikes daily, you will not gain a lot of fat.

raider6969 · 08-09-2002, 06:27 AM

how is it that the dp's diet u get lbm and the insuline spike you gain fat?

w8lifter · 08-09-2002, 08:05 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by raider6969
how is it that the dp's diet u get lbm and the insuline spike you gain fat?

Not just fat...I'm just saying you will gain less fat w/ DP's diet...you really need to read and learn!

Take some time to read these:

Bulking w/ Slow Burners

High Pro, Mod Fat, No sugar diet (High Fat/Protein, Low Carb Diet)

raider6969 · 08-09-2002, 08:23 AM

it looks like a good idea to bulk up for 3-5 weeks and then cut for 2-3 weeks. i guess bulking up non stop thru out the year will only lead to mass gain along with alot of fat. since i dont want a physique like mark henry, from wwe, id prefer to cut.
w8lifter, do u have an article about cutting?
during cutting, u need to do high reps for wight training or can u do 6 - 10 reps?

Yanick · 08-09-2002, 10:08 AM

Whether cutting or bulking you need to work for mass. But when cutting you need to decrease volume/intensity a bit so as not to overtrain.

raider6969 · 08-09-2002, 12:02 PM

during cutting i need to stop eating carbs?add cardio?

w8lifter · 08-09-2002, 12:47 PM

raider....there's a sticky thread at the top of this nutrition forum....open it and read the fat loss primer

raider6969 · 08-09-2002, 01:42 PM

w8, i saw ur pics, ur a hottie

08-07-2002, 02:24 PM	#1
raider6969 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: montreal Posts: 519	diet critique i weigh around 210 pounds, 6 feet tall , fat around 15%.i eat every 3 hours. meal 1 2/3 cup oatmeal 40 g whey meal 2 5 eggs ( 3 whole) 20 g whey meal 3 chicken breast 2 tbsn peanut butter meal 4 2/3 cup brown rice 2 can tuna meal 5 40 g whey 1 1/2 tbsn flax meal 6 2 cans tuna 1/3 almonds

08-07-2002, 02:49 PM	#2
TheIcon2 Expert In Donuts Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Maryland Posts: 98	Need more green veggies. Especially Meal 2 and 3. (I am assuming you are trying to diet down)
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08-07-2002, 03:23 PM	#3
Yanick Amor Fati Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 3,820	I would add fat in meal 1, some carbs in meal 2, and make sure that the pb is natural. Also eat more greens like Icon said. EDIT:Also some fat in meal 4.
Yanick Amor Fati Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 3,820	"...we have to remember that training is a complicated dance of stimuli and response. Our goal is to understand how to manipulate the stimuli in order to evoke the responses we desire." -Nathan J. Polenchek

08-07-2002, 04:10 PM	#5
Yanick Amor Fati Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 3,820	If you're trying to gain mass, go for carbs in every meal, but make sure they are slow burning with fat and protein to slow down digestion. Greens are lettuce, broccoli, celery etc.
Yanick Amor Fati Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 3,820	"...we have to remember that training is a complicated dance of stimuli and response. Our goal is to understand how to manipulate the stimuli in order to evoke the responses we desire." -Nathan J. Polenchek

08-08-2002, 08:57 AM	#11
Yanick Amor Fati Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 3,820	Dextrose = Commercial form of glucose. Very High GI carb that will give you a huge insulin response driving the protein and what not into your muscles. You can have fruits, just don't overdo them, and don't have them post w/o. Post workout you want Dextrose/Maltodextrin. Go to your local health food store, its really cheap. If you're going for the insulin spike, drop the fat in your post w/o meal. If you're doing DP style post w/o, then have a slow burning carb with fat and protein post w/o. Its up to you to decide. Oh yeah fruits you can eat... Blueberries Raspberrie Strawberries Apples Peaches Banana's(Only post w/o, make sure they are ripe) Grapefruit
Yanick Amor Fati Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 3,820	"...we have to remember that training is a complicated dance of stimuli and response. Our goal is to understand how to manipulate the stimuli in order to evoke the responses we desire." -Nathan J. Polenchek

08-07-2002, 03:28 PM	#4
raider6969 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: montreal Posts: 519	what type of veggies? im trying to gain mass

08-07-2002, 04:47 PM	#6
mama's boy Fat Loss Enthuiast Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Oregon Posts: 112	Ditto to what Yan said. Fat in meals 1 and 4 if you need calories. Also, which is your post workout meal?

08-07-2002, 07:12 PM	#7
raider6969 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: montreal Posts: 519	right after training i eat 40 g of whey with an apple

08-08-2002, 06:31 AM	#9
raider6969 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: montreal Posts: 519	what is dextrose?

08-08-2002, 06:34 AM	#10
raider6969 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: montreal Posts: 519	is there any fruits i can eat?

08-08-2002, 09:05 AM	#12
raider6969 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: montreal Posts: 519	whats the dp style?

08-08-2002, 09:39 AM	#14
raider6969 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: montreal Posts: 519	since im bulking , i should add carbs , but how much? normal quantity of a meal?

08-08-2002, 09:47 AM	#15
raider6969 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: montreal Posts: 519	after your workout, dont you want the protein to be absorbed fast? isnt the fat and carbs gonna slow it down?

08-08-2002, 10:00 AM	#16
Yanick Amor Fati Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 3,820	As far as the carbs go, you need to figure it out yourself, it depends on your ratios, how many cals you're taking etc. So figure out your cals, then figure out how many carbs you need a day, then divide by 6 and you have your carbs for six meals. Then if you want to go for the spike, move them around and get bout 50g post w/o of High GI carbs for the spike. DP style doesn't use an insulin spike though. People get good results with it, and minimize fat gain. Of course its up to you to decide what you want to do.
Yanick Amor Fati Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 3,820	"...we have to remember that training is a complicated dance of stimuli and response. Our goal is to understand how to manipulate the stimuli in order to evoke the responses we desire." -Nathan J. Polenchek

08-08-2002, 02:09 PM	#18
Chest Rockwell Guest Posts: n/a	I recently read an article which stated that consuming 8 grams of glutamine post workout restores glycogen as effectively as consuming 61 grams of glucose. Thoughts????
Chest Rockwell Guest Posts: n/a

08-08-2002, 02:32 PM	#19
raider6969 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: montreal Posts: 519	since the fat will slow the whey absorption after the workout, will i get the same results with the dp as with the insuline spike?

08-09-2002, 06:27 AM	#22
raider6969 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: montreal Posts: 519	how is it that the dp's diet u get lbm and the insuline spike you gain fat?

08-09-2002, 08:23 AM	#24
raider6969 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: montreal Posts: 519	it looks like a good idea to bulk up for 3-5 weeks and then cut for 2-3 weeks. i guess bulking up non stop thru out the year will only lead to mass gain along with alot of fat. since i dont want a physique like mark henry, from wwe, id prefer to cut. w8lifter, do u have an article about cutting? during cutting, u need to do high reps for wight training or can u do 6 - 10 reps?

08-09-2002, 10:08 AM	#25
Yanick Amor Fati Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 3,820	Whether cutting or bulking you need to work for mass. But when cutting you need to decrease volume/intensity a bit so as not to overtrain.
Yanick Amor Fati Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 3,820	"...we have to remember that training is a complicated dance of stimuli and response. Our goal is to understand how to manipulate the stimuli in order to evoke the responses we desire." -Nathan J. Polenchek

08-09-2002, 12:02 PM	#26
raider6969 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: montreal Posts: 519	during cutting i need to stop eating carbs?add cardio?

08-09-2002, 12:47 PM	#27
w8lifter Join Date: May 2001 Location: Around..... Posts: 14,964	raider....there's a sticky thread at the top of this nutrition forum....open it and read the fat loss primer

08-09-2002, 01:42 PM	#28
raider6969 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: montreal Posts: 519	w8, i saw ur pics, ur a hottie

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