Odd Sweet Taste In Mouth...

nkira · 05-24-2009, 12:58 PM

Lately I have been getting this sweetish taste in mouth even if I don't eat or drink anything sweet.

Is this diet related? I check my blood glucose & it's normal??

I am all confused here??

Hope I am not going nuts!!

Any one ever experienced the same?

juggernaut · 05-24-2009, 01:00 PM

Are you low carbing?

nkira · 05-24-2009, 01:06 PM

Yes, what's the connection?

juggernaut · 05-24-2009, 01:11 PM

educated guess you may have hit ketosis.

nkira · 05-24-2009, 01:17 PM

After reading ^ I did stick test. It's showing traces!!

Wow....this is my first keto!!

Now that I am in keto, how should I proceed.

I have hit keto unintentionally!! I am not even tracking my diet!!

For the last few days I was getting the same sweet taste after my workouts.

juggernaut · 05-24-2009, 01:25 PM

I'd make sure your protein is on the high side and so are your fats; if youre not tracking this could lead to trouble as in muscle loss. Start tracking now. I'll link this to Built she's the mecca on this stuff.
Also, are you cutting intentionally?

nkira · 05-24-2009, 01:33 PM

No I am not cutting at all!!

"I'd diet down very, very slowly while you tighten up your diet and your training. When you start to see a little more definition, gradually increase the calories and get some size on."

That's what built advised me to do....now that I am in Keto I am all confused.

All this days I was trying to stay in maintenance & was doing heavy weight n low rip routine as suggested by built.

I don't know what to do now...

Quote:

Originally Posted by juggernaut

I'd make sure your protein is on the high side and so are your fats; if youre not tracking this could lead to trouble as in muscle loss. Start tracking now. I'll link this to Built she's the mecca on this stuff.
Also, are you cutting intentionally?

juggernaut · 05-24-2009, 01:36 PM

Built's advice is SOLID and spot on. Tracking is a mistake on your part. go to FitDay - Free Weight Loss and Diet Journal and do it. If you are in ketosis and dont want to be there, just eat some fruit and you'll be out. What is your maintenance calorie and macro count anyway?

danzik17 · 05-24-2009, 01:42 PM

Well I was going to make a crude comment about not swallowing, but since jugg is being all serious like......

Being in keto doesn't necessarily mean you're not eating at maintenance. I definitely don't think it's optimal for muscle growth though since you want muscle glycogen to remain fairly topped up.

Fruit would be a good recommendation to get out of keto quickly since it replenishes both liver and muscle glycogen (fructose + glucose).

juggernaut · 05-24-2009, 01:46 PM

I'm not turning over a new leaf-I'm still a fucking wiseguy asshole; nkira is a cool brother. I wanna help the young lad.

nkira · 05-24-2009, 01:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by juggernaut

What is your maintenance calorie and macro count anyway?

Can't post that as I have not been tracking diet for last few days

Todays diet was,

3 whole eggs (fried in minimum olive oil)
whey 20 grams with low fat milk (200ml milk)
1 whole wheat bread slice
whey 25 grams in water
1 chicken breast (roasted)
pasta (about size of tennis ball)
lentils cooked (about size of tennis ball)
1/2 green pepper

Now i'll be having whey again in milk (200ml milk & 20 grams whey)

For last 2 weeks the diet is as above with very little variation & some more carbs here & there...

I'll start tracking by tomorrow....

Quote:

Originally Posted by danzik17

Well I was going to make a crude comment about not swallowing, but since jugg is being all serious like......

Being in keto doesn't necessarily mean you're not eating at maintenance. I definitely don't think it's optimal for muscle growth though since you want muscle glycogen to remain fairly topped up.

Fruit would be a good recommendation to get out of keto quickly since it replenishes both liver and muscle glycogen (fructose + glucose).

Now about getting out of keto, I have been trying to loose some stomach fat, get some definition then increase my cals & start bulking.

So should I stay in keto for loosing the stomach fat? I know I might loose some LBM.

nkira · 05-24-2009, 01:57 PM

Awwww.......Thanks bro

Quote:

Originally Posted by juggernaut

I'm not turning over a new leaf-I'm still a fucking wiseguy asshole; nkira is a cool brother. I wanna help the young lad.

juggernaut · 05-24-2009, 01:58 PM

ketosis isnt necessary to lose fat. Cutting carbs is a good idea. But, looking at your diet; it doesnt seem to be that you are in ketosis. I'd ask if you did see traces did you see it in the morning whe you got out of bed on an empty stomach?

Start tracking now and see what the macros are. I dont wanna see what you eat, just numbers in grams and calories.

juggernaut · 05-24-2009, 01:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nkira

Awwww.......Thanks bro

naw youre an okay guy. gotta good side to you.

danzik17 · 05-24-2009, 02:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nkira

So should I stay in keto for loosing the stomach fat? I know I might loose some LBM.

Are you familiar with Lyle McD at all? He goes into excruciating detail about all of that. A brief summary is that for "stubborn" fat, a deficit while glycogen depleted allows for greater mobilization of FFAs by inhibiting alpha-2 receptors.

Built also has a good article called "Why are daredevils shredded" or something similar that has great information methods as well.

nkira · 05-24-2009, 02:02 PM

when you said "educated guess you may have hit ketosis." I went and pissed on the keto test strip, zipped up & posted the results.

Did flush too

My mouth is all sweet as I type this....

Quote:

Originally Posted by juggernaut

ketosis isnt necessary to lose fat. Cutting carbs is a good idea. But, looking at your diet; it doesnt seem to be that you are in ketosis. I'd ask if you did see traces did you see it in the morning whe you got out of bed on an empty stomach?

Start tracking now and see what the macros are. I dont wanna see what you eat, just numbers in grams and calories.

juggernaut · 05-24-2009, 02:06 PM

well brush your fucking teeth assbreath!!!

Are you diabetic?

nkira · 05-24-2009, 02:07 PM

I know about Lyle, but I don't have the book yet.

I did read Builts "Daredevil Are Shredded" around a month back....(Also I am a regular on Builts Blog)

I was advised to loose some fat first so as to improve nutrition partitioning.

Quote:

Originally Posted by danzik17

Are you familiar with Lyle McD at all? He goes into excruciating detail about all of that. A brief summary is that for "stubborn" fat, a deficit while glycogen depleted allows for greater mobilization of FFAs by inhibiting alpha-2 receptors.

Built also has a good article called "Why are daredevils shredded" or something similar that has great information methods as well.

juggernaut · 05-24-2009, 02:09 PM

is there a history of diabetes in your family?

nkira · 05-24-2009, 02:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by juggernaut

well brush your fucking teeth assbreath!!!

Are you diabetic?

No, I am not.

Quote:

Originally Posted by juggernaut

is there a history of diabetes in your family?

Grandfather & Father (Type 2 both of them)

I am getting litttle scarred here

Nice timing for the scary questions dude.......Just when I am about to sleep.

I was like

& now I am

juggernaut · 05-24-2009, 04:25 PM

nkira, you might-I SAID MIGHT be diabetic. I remember my grandfather having the taste in his mouth. So, you see a doctor. BFD. You can live with it if you do something about it.

nkira · 05-24-2009, 10:36 PM

Whats BFD?

I did the blood glucose test on a gluco-meter first thing in the morning on empty stomach, result - 88mg/dl. (Milligrams per Deciliter
)

It is in normal range.

**Built** · 05-25-2009, 01:34 AM

BFD = Big Fucking Deal. My pet asshole has a potty mouth.

nkira · 05-25-2009, 02:10 AM

Aha...ok. I plan to use that acronym more often......

Btw still have that sweet taste in mouth....

Quote:

Originally Posted by Built

BFD = Big Fucking Deal. My pet asshole has a potty mouth.

**Built** · 05-25-2009, 02:26 AM

LOL!

Unusual taste in the mouth is common on keto diets. The other thing that is interesting is when you first taste something with ANY amount of sugar, it tastes sweet. I remember a green pepper tasting sweet!

nkira · 05-25-2009, 04:24 AM

That is so TRUE!! Now I know why so many things taste sweet to me!! Also I hardly consume white sugar, I guess that intensifies the sweetness too.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Built

LOL!

Unusual taste in the mouth is common on keto diets. The other thing that is interesting is when you first taste something with ANY amount of sugar, it tastes sweet. I remember a green pepper tasting sweet!

the7zen · 05-25-2009, 05:53 AM

I thought you were doing Lyle's PSMF to see if it helps with your migraine...what happened to that?

juggernaut · 05-25-2009, 07:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nkira

That is so TRUE!! Now I know why so many things taste sweet to me!! Also I hardly consume white sugar, I guess that intensifies the sweetness too.

nkira, I concur with what Built is saying: I am an asshooooole. However, that being said, you should really get tested for diabetes JUST to be on the safe side. It is dominant in my family. Luckily, I have escaped it thus far, however I do keep an eye on it. It kind of perturbs me that with the amount of carbs you have listed above, that you might be in ketosis, as I originally thought. Be safe big guy, go to the doctor...and stay away from the kidney traders!

nkira · 05-25-2009, 10:45 AM

I am not doing PSMF, as I mentioned before this keto thing is totally unintentional!!

But it's on my to do list....I will start a new thread when I start with PSMF.

Quote:

Originally Posted by the7zen

I thought you were doing Lyle's PSMF to see if it helps with your migraine...what happened to that?

nkira · 05-25-2009, 10:48 AM

I did glucose strip & glucometer test......what more should I do?

Both negative.

R u suggesting pre & post postprandial test? Cos those are the only test's left out.

Quote:

Originally Posted by juggernaut

nkira, I concur with what Built is saying: I am an asshooooole. However, that being said, you should really get tested for diabetes JUST to be on the safe side. It is dominant in my family. Luckily, I have escaped it thus far, however I do keep an eye on it. It kind of perturbs me that with the amount of carbs you have listed above, that you might be in ketosis, as I originally thought. Be safe big guy, go to the doctor...and stay away from the kidney traders!

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danzik17 Gender: MALE Elite Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Connecticut Posts: 3,042	Well I was going to make a crude comment about not swallowing, but since jugg is being all serious like...... Being in keto doesn't necessarily mean you're not eating at maintenance. I definitely don't think it's optimal for muscle growth though since you want muscle glycogen to remain fairly topped up. Fruit would be a good recommendation to get out of keto quickly since it replenishes both liver and muscle glycogen (fructose + glucose). Ron Paul 2012 Journal: danzik17's Log - 4-6 Week Strength/Bulk Journal: Sub 10% by April <old>

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Built Bioidentical Bodybuilder Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: . Posts: 6,064	BFD = Big Fucking Deal. My pet asshole has a potty mouth. Wondering where to start? Confused? This will get you started. Daredevils are Shredded Find out why... (Now you can find out why... in Hebrew!) UD2.Built - My UD2.0 setup.

05-25-2009, 02:26 AM	#25
Built Bioidentical Bodybuilder Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: . Posts: 6,064	LOL! Unusual taste in the mouth is common on keto diets. The other thing that is interesting is when you first taste something with ANY amount of sugar, it tastes sweet. I remember a green pepper tasting sweet! Wondering where to start? Confused? This will get you started. Daredevils are Shredded Find out why... (Now you can find out why... in Hebrew!) UD2.Built - My UD2.0 setup.

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the7zen Registered User Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: USA Posts: 58	what happend to your RFL (PSMF) I thought you were doing Lyle's PSMF to see if it helps with your migraine...what happened to that?

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05-24-2009, 01:00 PM	#2
juggernaut Creator of Chaos Elite Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: NJ Posts: 5,463 Photos: 2	Are you low carbing?

05-24-2009, 01:11 PM	#4
juggernaut Creator of Chaos Elite Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: NJ Posts: 5,463 Photos: 2	educated guess you may have hit ketosis.

05-24-2009, 01:25 PM	#6
juggernaut Creator of Chaos Elite Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: NJ Posts: 5,463 Photos: 2	I'd make sure your protein is on the high side and so are your fats; if youre not tracking this could lead to trouble as in muscle loss. Start tracking now. I'll link this to Built she's the mecca on this stuff. Also, are you cutting intentionally?

05-24-2009, 01:36 PM	#8
juggernaut Creator of Chaos Elite Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: NJ Posts: 5,463 Photos: 2	Built's advice is SOLID and spot on. Tracking is a mistake on your part. go to FitDay - Free Weight Loss and Diet Journal and do it. If you are in ketosis and dont want to be there, just eat some fruit and you'll be out. What is your maintenance calorie and macro count anyway?

05-24-2009, 01:46 PM	#10
juggernaut Creator of Chaos Elite Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: NJ Posts: 5,463 Photos: 2	I'm not turning over a new leaf-I'm still a fucking wiseguy asshole; nkira is a cool brother. I wanna help the young lad.

05-24-2009, 01:58 PM	#13
juggernaut Creator of Chaos Elite Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: NJ Posts: 5,463 Photos: 2	ketosis isnt necessary to lose fat. Cutting carbs is a good idea. But, looking at your diet; it doesnt seem to be that you are in ketosis. I'd ask if you did see traces did you see it in the morning whe you got out of bed on an empty stomach? Start tracking now and see what the macros are. I dont wanna see what you eat, just numbers in grams and calories.

05-24-2009, 02:06 PM	#17
juggernaut Creator of Chaos Elite Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: NJ Posts: 5,463 Photos: 2	well brush your fucking teeth assbreath!!! Are you diabetic?

05-24-2009, 02:09 PM	#19
juggernaut Creator of Chaos Elite Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: NJ Posts: 5,463 Photos: 2	is there a history of diabetes in your family?

05-24-2009, 04:25 PM	#21
juggernaut Creator of Chaos Elite Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: NJ Posts: 5,463 Photos: 2	nkira, you might-I SAID MIGHT be diabetic. I remember my grandfather having the taste in his mouth. So, you see a doctor. BFD. You can live with it if you do something about it.