IronMagazine Bodybuilding Forum - Supplements

c-bol,by thermolife

willib — Fri, 20 Nov 2009 19:11:28 GMT

has anyone tried this product yet or seen a review?

Superdrol?

schiltz2 — Thu, 19 Nov 2009 06:25:43 GMT

I took superdrol 3 years ago and had incredible results. I took 10mg for a week, 20mg for 2 weeks and 10mg for the 4th week. I also took a PCT for 2 weeks post. I put on 15 lbs and crazy strength and had no side effects other than a little decrease in libido.
I am 23 years old and have been battling some back issues when training for a powerlifting competition. I took a month off and have dropped 10 lbs to 148 lbs. Im benching 300, squatting a minute 350, and deadlifting(prior back problem) 550 lbs. Im losing weight, even thought i am training hard.
I have had many idea to return to a prohormone to bounce past this overall body plataeu, any ideas? I've looked at TestoRX and taking superdrol again. I've modified my diet to include 6 meals of high protein/high carb but have continued to lose weight through hard training.

Any advice with prohormones? post cycle? Im looking to get to about 170 at 5'7". thanks!

Best supplement/food to gain weight and strength?

gymismyhome91 — Wed, 18 Nov 2009 18:42:56 GMT

Hey guys,

Ive been working out for about 2 years now and I'm about to turn 18. I would like to know what the best supplements are that i could take that would make me have significant gains in weight and size/strength.

i have experimented somewhat with muscle milk, whey, force factor, things like that but none of them really made me see real gains and I'm in the gym close to 5 or 6 times a week. I also play hockey at least twice a week on top of that.

i weigh about 155 right now and would like to put on at least 10 to 15 pounds of muscle. (more if possible)

i would rather not use prohormone/roids/creatine if possible.

and what food should i eat to be gaining a lot of weight? and not fat (so dont say ice cream and pizza)

thanks!

Supplement Regulation In Europe

Prince — Wed, 18 Nov 2009 15:02:18 GMT

Supplement Regulation In Europe

In the U.S. many manufacturers of supplements have learned to live with the continually increased supplement regulations and FDA enforcement. However, in Europe manufacturers are concerned that many of the 4,000 or so health claims being made for supplements may be rejected by the European Food Safety Authority (EFSA), because it requires these to be truthful and not misleading! Wow, what a concept!

80% Of Marketing Claims Were Not Approved

Scientific substantiation of marketing claims is at the heart of a real controversy for the dietary supplement industry in Europe.

�The situation is very complex and difficult,� notes Patrick Coppens. The European nutrition and health claims legislation was passed in 2006, but the European Food Safety Authority (EFSA) only began handing down decisions in 2009. �The standards for scientific substantiation are very high, and there are concerns that existing claims for food and food supplements will be found not to have proper scientific justification,� Coppens explains.

Of the initial evaluations completed, nearly 80% were not approved. The EFSA planned to review nearly 1,500 claims by the end of November 2009, but it has already sent back about 2,700 for further clarification! Many supplement manufacturers have indicated there is great confusion over what exactly is needed in the way of scientific data to support claims.

�It is definitely a quagmire � a lot of clarity is still needed.� says Daniel Fabricant, vice president of scientific and regulatory affairs at the Natural Products Association.

What Is A Quagmire?

Okay, if you�re as confused as I was when I read that strange word Mr. Fabricant used in his quote, then read this section.

Wikipeadia defines a quagmire as: �A type of wetland. It may also refer to a predicament or situation from which it is difficult to extricate oneself.�

Usage Levels For Vitamins & Minerals In Europe

Standard guidelines on the usage-level for vitamins and minerals is needed desperately as a great deal of variance exists amongst the many European countries. A proposal containing recommended maximum levels is expected in the near future but getting each country to agree on the levels of each will be very difficult.

Nitrotech and Cytogainer.... Thoughts?

hashman — Wed, 18 Nov 2009 01:46:53 GMT

I am trying Nitrotech by muscletech for the first time. It's okay, but I was looking at their prices and don't you think its too expensive. I have used cytogainer, but I noticed I put on a lot of weight, but I do look huge using their product. What do you think about the two for gaining mass? Thanks...

"best natural test booster"

llllern — Wed, 18 Nov 2009 00:47:40 GMT

"best natural test booster"

phentremine

discot — Tue, 17 Nov 2009 00:42:33 GMT

just wondering if you guys have any experiences with small doses of phentrmine. I'm looking to start a solid workout program but want a little help with controlling hunger. When I workout, I feel my apettite increases. I dont want to take the whole pill. maybe 1/4 of the normal dosage. I plan to do 5 days of cardio and 4 days of weight training. With a 1800 calorie diet

Im a 30yr female, 5'8 230. Im ready to take control of body. I currently run/walk 2 miles a day 5x a week.

I know people that have used this supplement/drug but they gained there weight back. but they didnt lift a finger and were on strict low carb diets.

Bodybuilding Supplements

Prince — Mon, 16 Nov 2009 17:22:52 GMT

From Will Brink:

Part 1.

YouTube Video

Part 2.

YouTube Video

:roflmao:

GMP Herbal Products, Inc. Issues a Voluntary Nationwide Recall

Prince — Mon, 16 Nov 2009 17:20:19 GMT

GMP Herbal Products, Inc. Issues a Voluntary Nationwide Recall of a Weight Loss Supplement Found to Contain Undeclared Drug Ingredients

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE � November 12, 2009 � Westminster, CA � GMP Herbal Products, Inc. has been informed by the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) that Pai You Guo, a weight loss dietary supplement, sold and marketed by the firm contains undeclared drug ingredients. FDA lab analyses of dietary supplements distributed by the company were found to contain undeclared sibutramine, an FDA-approved drug used as an appetite suppressant for weight loss; and phenolphthalein, a solution used in chemical experiments and a suspected cancer-causing agent that is not approved for marketing in the United States. The FDA has not approved the Pai You Guo products as drug; therefore the safety and effectiveness of this product is unknown. All lots of the following Pai You Guo product are being recalled. The product is sold either in a box of 30 capsules or a bag of 10 g powder.

The products listed above were sold and distributed nationwide via the internet.

FDA advises that these products pose a threat to consumers because sibutramine is known to substantially increase blood pressure and/or pulse rate in some patients and may present a significant risk for patients with a history of coronary artery disease, congestive heart failure, arrhythmias or stroke.

No illnesses or injuries have been reported to the company to date in connection with this product.

GMP Herbal Products, Inc. has taken this voluntary action because it is committed to providing accurate information about its products and because of the concern for the health and safety of consumers. GMP Herbal Products, Inc. is working with the FDA in the recall process. It sincerely regrets any inconvenience to customers.

Consumers are advised to destroy the above products or return them to the company�s address in Westminster, CA. Consumers with questions may contact GMP Herbal Products, Inc Tuesday through Saturday 11:00 am to 7:00 pm at 1-866-995-8585.

Any adverse reactions experienced with the use of this product should also be reported to the FDA�s MedWatch Program by phone at 1-800-FDA-1088, by fax at 1-800-FDA-0178, by mail at MedWatch, FDA, 5600 Fishers Lane, Rockville, MD 20852-9787, or on the MedWatch website at wwww.fda.gov/Safety/MedWatch/default.htm.

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IDS Sports Conducts a Voluntary Nationwide Recall

Prince — Mon, 16 Nov 2009 17:19:24 GMT

IDS Sports Conducts a Voluntary Nationwide Recall of Bromodrol, Dual Action Grow Tabs, Grow Tabs, Mass Tabs, and Ripped Tabs TR

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE - Oviedo, FL � November 12, 2009 -IDS Sports announced today that it is conducting a voluntary nationwide recall of five of the company�s dietary supplement products sold under the following names: Bromodrol, Dual Action Grow Tabs, Grow Tabs, Mass Tabs, and Ripped Tabs TR.

The Food And Drug Administration (FDA) has notified IDS Sports that the recalled products contain the following undeclared substances, which FDA considers to be steroids: �Madol,� �Turinabol,� �Superdrol,� and/or �Androstenedione.�

Acute liver injury is known to be a possible harmful effect of using steroid-containing products. In addition, steroids may cause other serious long-term adverse health consequences in men, women, and children. These include shrinkage of the testes and male infertility, masculinization of women, breast enlargement in males, short stature in children, a higher predilection to misuse other drugs and alcohol, adverse effects on blood lipid levels, and increased risk of heart attack, stroke, and death.

The recalled products listed below were distributed in either black boxes containing blister packs of 60 capsules or white bottles with black labels containing 30 or 60 capsules.
Brand Name Size UPC Lots
Bromodrol 1 box 6 75941 00250 7 All lots
Dual Action Grow Tabs 1 box 6 75941 00252 1 All lots
Grow Tabs 1 bottle 60 capsules 6 75941 00252 1 All lots
Mass Tabs 1 bottle 30 capsules 6 75941 00149 4 Purchased during or after 4/09
Mass Tabs 1 bottle 60 capsules 6 75941 00149 4 Purchased during or after 8/09
Ripped Tabs TR 1 box 6 75941 00162 3 Purchased during or after 12/08
Ripped Tabs TR 1 bottle 60 capsules 6 75941 00162 3 Purchased during or after 12/08

Although no illnesses or adverse events have been reported to the company to date in connection with the products listed above, customers who have these products in their possession should stop using them immediately and contact their physician if they have experienced any problems that may be related to using one or more of the products. Any adverse events that may be related to the use of these products should be reported to the FDA's MedWatch Adverse Event Reporting program online [at www.fda.gov/MedWatch/report.htm] or by returning the postage-paid FDA form 3500 [which may be downloaded from www.fda.gov/MedWatch/getforms.htm] by mail [to MedWatch, 5600 Fishers Lane, Rockville, MD 20852-9787] or fax [1-800-FDA-0178].

The FDA has been apprised of this recall and IDS Sports is cooperating with the FDA in this recall process.

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Coenzyme Q10

PushAndPull — Mon, 16 Nov 2009 15:26:09 GMT

Anyone take this with their vitamin/mineral supplements?

Making protein shakes?

JohnnyO — Mon, 16 Nov 2009 05:23:15 GMT

Whenever I mix whey protein with milk large dry undissolved clumps float at the top, no matter how much i heat it up or stir it. Am I doing something wrong, or does it always do that? I am using Monster Milk protein powder and I add 1 tsp creatine and 1 tsp glutamine.

PS am i supposed to be using water? does it make a difference?

Anabol Naturals

Moze — Mon, 16 Nov 2009 03:34:47 GMT

Has anyone tried these free form amino acid and vitamin supplements? I've taken them in the past and they seemed to make difference. I was thinking of taking them again. However the timing when taking them is critical, according to the manufacturer. For example, many of the aminos need to be taken on an empty stomach, between meals. Some before bed, some before workouts, some after workouts. It just seems rather high maintenance, to be on such a detailed schedule for consumption.:thinking:

ec stack

rayray715 — Fri, 13 Nov 2009 23:28:17 GMT

i've been taking N.O. products on and off for a couple years, never tried ec stack. most of the time i used no xplode. i found it the best for what i was taking it for. i workout early, early morning before work, and it wakes me up with the first sip, and keeps my focus high. i heard super pump 250 is better, and gives the same effects but stronger, i tried that after, and got absolutely nothing from it. today, i started an ec stack. its been a very long time since i've taken ephedrine, but i do remember the enrgetic hyper feeling i got from it. my first dose was 25mg e (bronkaid) and 200mg c. i didnt get that jittery feeling and appetite suppression, i actually got the opposite effect. i felt tired and hungry with a little bit of alertness. i dont know if im just too used to stimulants and if i should increase the dosage.

from what i've read, ephedrine sulfate is less potent than hcl. so if i stay on bronkaid, should i double the e. to 50 mg and keep the c. at 200 for each dosage or double both?
i also bought primatene (e. hcl)tabs today to see if they feel more effective. should i take two tabs of 12.5 mg each for my first dosage or start with one, considering i didnt have much reaction to 25mg of the sulfate. and if i take 12.5 mg, can i still take 200 mg of caffeine or even higher? i need that extra push to get things going in the morning.

Is slow release nitric-oxide good to take?

jmstoge — Fri, 13 Nov 2009 19:38:06 GMT

I've been using a slow release NO booster for a week or so now and my pumps seem definitely bigger than usual. Will slow release NO help me gain and maintain a bigger and leaner physique in the coming months?

Citrulline Malate vs L-Citrulline

Jag — Fri, 13 Nov 2009 19:37:24 GMT

Checking out some sites and found one selling both of these products with L-Citrulline being slightly more expensive.

Anyone know if there is much difference?

Fat burning pills

hardBODmiranda — Fri, 13 Nov 2009 09:14:48 GMT

Hi everyone! Im skeptical about and would like to know about your opinion about it, well i dont have the money to always eat healthy so I am considering taking fat burning pills, is this idea good for you or not? And does it really work?

1-Andro Rx questions

flick0069 — Fri, 13 Nov 2009 04:47:55 GMT

I plan on ordering this product in the next few days but have a few questions if anyone can help

I will be using 600mg for the first week then 800mg for 4 weeks then back to 600 mg for the final week.

I was thinking about using Anabolic Matrix and Revistol as pct for 4 weeks.

Is this pct good enough? Anyother recommendations? I don't have access to Nolva, so only using OTC products. Any products you recommend during the cycle?

I am a bit concerned with hair loss during the pct as the last time I used a a test booster (not during pct) I noticed some hair loss a few after finishing the product( Active Xtreme). Is this something that's normal? What can be done to prevent it?

Should training be altered during the cycle? Increase frequency of workouts? volume of sets? rep range? Or do I just keep my same training habits as usual?

Thanks

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How to take pills?

DesertFox — Tue, 10 Nov 2009 02:38:46 GMT

Okay so in my ON Opti-Men bottle it says consume 3 tablets daily with food. Does this mean take all three at once or divided through out the day? What is better and are there any disadvantages to either or? How do you take em?

Nitrean?

subina — Sun, 08 Nov 2009 20:38:27 GMT

Hey in my other thread i was recommended to get a protein powder with egg casein and whey. This nitrean says it has all the things listed above. Do you think I should get nitrean?

Protein Powders

subina — Sun, 08 Nov 2009 13:10:50 GMT

Hi All,
On my other thread I ended up finding out that endurox r4 is not the best protein powder. Do you agree? If you do not please tell me the exact brand which you think is the best, and please be careful, I do not want to gain weight or be extremely ripped, I just want it for better performance in my cardiovascular sports. Thanks
Please remember I am under fifteen and whey about 100/105 pounds
Thanks again

Supplements

subina — Sat, 07 Nov 2009 23:55:47 GMT

Hey I am under sixteen years old, whey about 100-105 pounds about five one/two tall and was wondering if anyone could give me some advice about supplements and where to get them? I am not a bodybuilder and do not wish to turn out to much like one, but I would like to look a little more fit (ie show some muscles maybe a six pack) and especially perform better in all my sports. Currently I compete internationally in squash, I am on the varsity wrestling team and play lacrosse. I wish to get some tips on supplements such as protein, multivitamins, pre/during workout supplements and every thing else. Please do not recommend anything that is unsafe for me(ie my age and weight) or that will make me gain weight (need stay make weight for wrestling) or bulk up so much i cant do cardio. Thanks!!

I went to gnc a few days ago and they recommended me accelerade, endurox r4 and as a multivitamin mega teen.

The accelerade has worked great, but not really any results with the endurox( I dont know if it works that fast.
Thanks again
PS I have used those supplements for about three weaks
PS also anything i should be taking like maybe fish oil?

LG Sciences pre/during/post-workout supp. stack offer

Mags — Fri, 06 Nov 2009 20:07:38 GMT

Hey guys, just got a shout from LG and they're currently doing a limited sale on what is an all-out workout support stack. This offer is only available through their website www.lgsciences.com

The stack contains:

* Pre-workout: 1 bottle of Anadraulic State.

* Intra-workout: 2 bottles of Grape BC+EAA.

* Post workout: 1 bottle of Postal.

* BONUS: 1 LG Sciences T-shirt.

All for only $84.99, too. Great products at a great prices, folks. Just visit www.lgsciences.com

Cheers.

Cjc 1295/ghrp

peptidejunkie — Fri, 06 Nov 2009 04:15:19 GMT

Found a new company that has really good purity levels on their products...just FYI, been a customer to most of the sites.

eel saliva

Knave — Thu, 05 Nov 2009 22:25:53 GMT

has anyone here used it as a supp? i remember reading about it somewhere a while back, and im thinking of getting some. thing is, its supposed to be a rare supp, but pretty cheap if you find a good supplier. anybody here know of one? and if you have taken it, was it effective. any side effects?

LG Sciences video blogs.

Mags — Thu, 05 Nov 2009 20:59:09 GMT

Hey guys.

Just thought I'd show you these:

YouTube - LG sciences

YouTube - Bigger Arms In 60 Days

Basically, they are video blogs regarding LG products and insightful training tips. Now usually I'd be rather cynical towards these advertising bios, but, in all fairness to LG, these are pretty good. Obviously, they do plug the products in the videos, but at the same time they give us a good account of how to utilise LG products properly, how to integrate them into our diet and training, which ones are best for our specific goals and, importantly, how effective they really are. And best of all, although the majority of the blogs are from LG sponsored athletes, there are a few accounts up there from us 'normal' folk consumers who give objective and unbiased reviews (I'm not implying that the LG folks are biased, but you know what I mean :thumb:). Just of think of these vids as a visual way of obtaining info on training, diet and supplementation instead of reading it in a forum.

Well worth a look.

Bodybuilding Supplements, the movie!

WillBrink — Thu, 05 Nov 2009 13:57:13 GMT

If you don't have a sense of humor, and or get offended easily, this is not the vid for you! :D

YouTube Video

Md1t

phat98ge — Thu, 05 Nov 2009 02:05:16 GMT

Hey guys,

I have been working out on and of for a year now my main reason is to bulk up. To give you an idea I am 5� 9� with 140 pounds. And I am trying to get 160. However I been pushing myself for this past month and saw very little results. One of my buddy who is in body building for years recommended me to take, MD1T, AROMX and LEANFX. I just need your folks input in regards to this products and some guidance. Thank you.

What Is The Best Prohormone As Of November 1st???

SONSOFANARCHY — Thu, 05 Nov 2009 01:16:17 GMT

I'm An Old School Powerlifter Who Competed From The Age Of 14 To 30, At One Point I Was Ranked #1 In The Country As A Teenager Drug Free. Once I Started Competing Against Older Competitors I Played Around With Some Juice Got Strong And Big With No Major Side Effects. I Never Abused Them Just Took A Moderate Dosage. I Have Been Training For About 20yrs...a Long Time.....lol But Still Strong And In Great Shape At The Prime Age Of 37! I Hear Alot Of The Younger Guys In My Gym Talk About Prohormones, The Benefits, And Side Effects. I Am The Product Of Old School Powerlifting Training From The 80's-90's, All We Had Was Juice And Protein. Today Things Seem A Bit More Complex, And Thought Maybe I Could Get Some Useful Advice On What Is A Good Prohormone To Take. I Am Currently 5' 8" 170pounds Very Lean, Can Still Bench Over 2x My Weight And Squat 3x My Weight. As Far As Putting On Weight Think I'm Done, Have Hit A Concrete Wall!! I Have Been Off The Juice For Many Years And Want To Add Maybe 5-10lbs Of Muscle. No Matter What I Do My Strength And Weight Never Move Up Much. I Eat About 3,000 Calories A Day Which Includes A Protein Shakes. Train 5x A Week. Does Anyone Have Some Advice About Which Prohormone Is The Best, I Also Heard Some Are Being Taking Off The Market Too. Thanks And I Appreciate Any Help On The Topic.