Thread: average t-3 dose

none of u ladys know

As far as I can tell, the protocol is the same for women as it is for men; she'll need to run an anabolic with it, it works well with clen and she'll need to be eating at a deficit.

How is she eating and training now? How much weight does she have to lose?

she want to loose about 20 pounds and she does p90x she bout to start a low carb with me

P90X for a woman who wants to lose 20 lbs on a low carb diet is not the way I would suggest she proceed.

What macros is she doing now? Will she go to a gym?

Originally Posted by legendkiller85

my girl want's to start t-3 to loose weight she gained during pregnacy.I can't tell her no because she ok's my gear use.what is the average dose for a women?ex.cycle for 6 week's please.

start tirating the dose up to max 50 mcg ed with clen up to 120 mcg ed she lose weight, if sides get to much lower the dose on both drugs. start clen at 20- 40mcg ed then go up till she gets the tremors then stop or feels super overheated. 2 weeks on clen u know how to run it, just as a man. 100mcg tops for t3 200mcg tops t4 or use a combo t3- t4 its great. but keep diet in check. dont no that part but built can fill u in. if your t3 and clen cycles dont go well and shes not needle phobic theres better choices out there that can be added to mix of drugs and aminos, vitamins. keep us posted. by the way i think 6 weeks on thyroid meds is to long it hard to get drive if u go that long and just stop , so taper off slowly if your going 6 wks. but try 3 wks 1st.

thanks uncle^^^^

Originally Posted by Built

P90X for a woman who wants to lose 20 lbs on a low carb diet is not the way I would suggest she proceed.

What macros is she doing now? Will she go to a gym?

she not that dedicated built but trying to push her in that direction.You the lady I'm coming to when we get to that point.She just cutting back on starchy things 4 now.

Originally Posted by legendkiller85

thanks uncle^^^^

no worries friend!

For a woman it is between 40-100mcg. But watch out, u have to take it in a precise hour, once a day!

Start by getting a consistent diet & training program in place. Don't start self-medicating out of "desperation". Just because you use gear doesn't mean she can blindly start popping stuff. My bet is that you're using gear, but also have a pretty extensive history of lifting and are at least aware of the impact of diet on your results right? And she just decided she wants to lose 20 lbs, no training background, no diet management history and wants to start self-medicating? (Sorry not tyring to diss - just trying to illustrate the difference between you & her in terms of "use" and "having the right to use").

Sounds like you're starting w/ baby steps w/ cleaning up the diet. Honestly just making simple changes like that will produce results - if not immediately in weight (actually should be paying attention to body fat and not weight - in fact I recommend you throw your scale out the window NOW!), it will in terms of better sense of well-being, more energy, better sleep, easier time digesting, etc.

Good luck and please get her focused on diet & training and not fixating on chemistry. T3 eats fat & muscle indescriminantly if you're not supporting it w/ an anabolic, as Built noted. Most women don't give a shit about their muscle but are all about losing the fat. The problem w/ this mindset is that, in fact, it is the muscle you have that makes the fat you have look better. Its a balance of the two (thus bodyfat, not weight is the measure of interest). Build the muscle, and that promotes more efficient fat burning. And speaking as a 45 year old bodybuilder, NO ONE has ever accused me of looking my age. Exercising your body the way it was meant to be used goes a long way towards general health, well-being and absolutely is one of the best anti-aging strategies around!

Originally Posted by sassy69

Start by getting a consistent diet & training program in place. Don't start self-medicating out of "desperation". Just because you use gear doesn't mean she can blindly start popping stuff. My bet is that you're using gear, but also have a pretty extensive history of lifting and are at least aware of the impact of diet on your results right? And she just decided she wants to lose 20 lbs, no training background, no diet management history and wants to start self-medicating? (Sorry not tyring to diss - just trying to illustrate the difference between you & her in terms of "use" and "having the right to use").

Sounds like you're starting w/ baby steps w/ cleaning up the diet. Honestly just making simple changes like that will produce results - if not immediately in weight (actually should be paying attention to body fat and not weight - in fact I recommend you throw your scale out the window NOW!), it will in terms of better sense of well-being, more energy, better sleep, easier time digesting, etc.

Good luck and please get her focused on diet & training and not fixating on chemistry. T3 eats fat & muscle indescriminantly if you're not supporting it w/ an anabolic, as Built noted. Most women don't give a shit about their muscle but are all about losing the fat. The problem w/ this mindset is that, in fact, it is the muscle you have that makes the fat you have look better. Its a balance of the two (thus bodyfat, not weight is the measure of interest). Build the muscle, and that promotes more efficient fat burning. And speaking as a 45 year old bodybuilder, NO ONE has ever accused me of looking my age. Exercising your body the way it was meant to be used goes a long way towards general health, well-being and absolutely is one of the best anti-aging strategies around!

The only thing I disagree with Sassy on here is the emphasis on the scale. For me, it's a non-negotiable necessity since day-one, all those years back in the fall of 2001.

That first year of lifting and dieting, I lost over 30 lbs. That's 2/3 of a pound a week.

I'm sure I lost 40 lbs of fat and gained 10 lbs of muscle, but when you do the math on that, it works out to about a 3-ounce muscle-gain weekly - I still lost weight - about 9 ounces a week. The muscle I gained did not keep pace with the fat I lost; the only reason I gained any muscle at all was because I was really, REALLY trying AND I was a novice AND I didn't overtrain AND I ate enough protein to remain nitrogen-positive while running a deficit.

Had I not tracked my weight daily, I would have freaked out at the fluctuations and not known if what I was doing was working.

If the scale drives you nuts, toss it. For me, it continues to be a comfort.

Originally Posted by Built

The only thing I disagree with Sassy on here is the emphasis on the scale. For me, it's a non-negotiable necessity since day-one, all those years back in the fall of 2001.

That first year of lifting and dieting, I lost over 30 lbs. That's 2/3 of a pound a week.

I'm sure I lost 40 lbs of fat and gained 10 lbs of muscle, but when you do the math on that, it works out to about a 3-ounce muscle-gain weekly - I still lost weight - about 9 ounces a week. The muscle I gained did not keep pace with the fat I lost; the only reason I gained any muscle at all was because I was really, REALLY trying AND I was a novice AND I didn't overtrain AND I ate enough protein to remain nitrogen-positive while running a deficit.

Had I not tracked my weight daily, I would have freaked out at the fluctuations and not known if what I was doing was working.

If the scale drives you nuts, toss it. For me, it continues to be a comfort.

IT matters what the weight is made up of right? Most people (women) are so fixated on fat that they forget about muscle - if you're dropping fat & building muscle, you might not see the scale move. If you're measureing by how your clothesfit, you'll notice you're getting smaller, regardless of what the scale says. IF anything it can be a supplementary measure of progress, but I've seen most people fixate on the minute day to day changes and not look at the general trend, and then sabotage themselves when they thought they weren't making progress. Its not a constant rate of change - weight drops in spurts. All the changes going on in your body may not be literally visible to you in the ways we all visual our progress - i.e. seeing your big hips or fat ass disappear. Further, most women dont' see changes in the lower half, which is usually the harder part to lose (due to estrogen-specific fat depositing patterns) and that further makes them think "its not working" or 'i'll never accomplish it".

IMO at the very least its important to be aware of all the ways to "see" progress. If its all about the scale and nothing else, you can mindfuck yourself out of legitimate progress.

To illustrate - back in 2005 when I was starting prep for a competition, over about a 6 week period, my bodyfat dropped 8% but my weight fluctuated a few lb around the same number, but ultimatlely I only dropped 2 lb. Had I gone by that and not the fact that my pants were getting looser, I probably would really started to panic, given I was on a strict program so there were no unacknowledged cheats and my cardio was very consistent.

^^^^sassy and u look as good as u do naturally? i think its fine if a woman is so insecure and wants that quick fix to help lose weight. everybody goes for stuff. its not a controlled drug t3 nor clen nor t4 nor eph there all non class meds. but they help the heavy woman lose weight. i know if i was heavy iam going for the quick fix, not diets and stuff, yes ill diet but if i new something would aide me in training and diet and losing weight , you bet your ass i would pop anything but dnp. no disrespect to you sassy, as i like your look and training philosophy, but iam being real.

Originally Posted by sassy69

IT matters what the weight is made up of right? Most people (women) are so fixated on fat that they forget about muscle - if you're dropping fat & building muscle, you might not see the scale move.

You can drop fat a whole lot faster than you can build muscle - especially on a deficit.

For any woman just starting out, and fat, she's going to see virtually ALL of her losses come from fat provided she's lifting and eating enough protein - which I assume given someone has come here asking for advice. If she ISN'T lifting and eating enough protein, all bets are off anyway.

Originally Posted by sassy69

If you're measureing by how your clothesfit, you'll notice you're getting smaller, regardless of what the scale says. IF anything it can be a supplementary measure of progress, but I've seen most people fixate on the minute day to day changes and not look at the general trend, and then sabotage themselves when they thought they weren't making progress.

You really do need to look at the trend, 100% agreed. And a trendline is easier to see the more frequenty you monitor progress. IE daily.

Originally Posted by sassy69

Its not a constant rate of change - weight drops in spurts. All the changes going on in your body may not be literally visible to you in the ways we all visual our progress - i.e. seeing your big hips or fat ass disappear. Further, most women dont' see changes in the lower half, which is usually the harder part to lose (due to estrogen-specific fat depositing patterns) and that further makes them think "its not working" or 'i'll never accomplish it".

Which is exactly why it is so critical to
a)Properly set up the process (ie sufficient protein, caloric deficit, heavy lifting) and
b) monitor the process, daily, with the scale.

Originally Posted by sassy69

IMO at the very least its important to be aware of all the ways to "see" progress. If its all about the scale and nothing else, you can mindfuck yourself out of legitimate progress.

And if you DON'T weigh yourself, you can mindfuck yourself into thinking you're gaining ten pounds of muscle and dropping ten pounds of fat, and that's why you aren't seeing the scale drop - when in fact, you are eating too many calories.

I'm sure you and I have both seen this happen to others.

Originally Posted by sassy69

To illustrate - back in 2005 when I was starting prep for a competition, over about a 6 week period, my bodyfat dropped 8% but my weight fluctuated a few lb around the same number, but ultimatlely I only dropped 2 lb. Had I gone by that and not the fact that my pants were getting looser, I probably would really started to panic, given I was on a strict program so there were no unacknowledged cheats and my cardio was very consistent.

Ah, now this is an entirely different ball of yarn. You're talking about precontest prep, where fat loss slows to a crawl as the body dips below any sustainable level of low bodyfat in preparation for display on stage (which you do exceptionally well I might add, having recently seen you in Vegas. )

For precontest, you've got aldosterone, ADH, glycogen, hydration levels, stress and any number of dietary issues conspiring to fuck with your look on any given day - hell, on any given HOUR.

I respect your position completely regarding the scale for this particular circumstance. But you have to admit, peak-week isn't about fat loss as much as it is about "preparing the sculpture for display", right?

For a fat chick looking to get un-fat (and I speak from experience), I still stand by this: lift weights, track your calories, and watch the scale. If you gain three pounds overnight, it's water. If you gain three pounds over two weeks, it's fat.

remain nitrogen-positive while running a deficit.


Built can you and sassy explain that more please?

Originally Posted by sassy69

IT matters what the weight is made up of right? Most people (women) are so fixated on fat that they forget about muscle - if you're dropping fat & building muscle, you might not see the scale move. If you're measureing by how your clothesfit, you'll notice you're getting smaller, regardless of what the scale says. IF anything it can be a supplementary measure of progress, but I've seen most people fixate on the minute day to day changes and not look at the general trend, and then sabotage themselves when they thought they weren't making progress. Its not a constant rate of change - weight drops in spurts. All the changes going on in your body may not be literally visible to you in the ways we all visual our progress - i.e. seeing your big hips or fat ass disappear. Further, most women dont' see changes in the lower half, which is usually the harder part to lose (due to estrogen-specific fat depositing patterns) and that further makes them think "its not working" or 'i'll never accomplish it".

IMO at the very least its important to be aware of all the ways to "see" progress. If its all about the scale and nothing else, you can mindfuck yourself out of legitimate progress.

To illustrate - back in 2005 when I was starting prep for a competition, over about a 6 week period, my bodyfat dropped 8% but my weight fluctuated a few lb around the same number, but ultimatlely I only dropped 2 lb. Had I gone by that and not the fact that my pants were getting looser, I probably would really started to panic, given I was on a strict program so there were no unacknowledged cheats and my cardio was very consistent.

Indeed.

Originally Posted by Brandibeth

remain nitrogen-positive while running a deficit.


Built can you and sassy explain that more please?

Sorry - in English: not losing protein - that is to say, not dropping muscle.

^^^ You guys are blowing my comments about the scale way out of proportion. The point is a broad generalization about what I see women all day long freaking out about when they get on the scale 2x/ day and completley go nuts if the scales up 1 lb or doesn't go down 1 lb like they expect because they just did an hr of cardio or didn't eat shit for a day. The only relevant point out of what I'm saying is that people are ignroant about the relationship between body composition and the scale. They setup EVERY FUCKING THING (including their views of themselves as a success or failure) about what they see on the scale from one moment to the next. They completely don't factor in the reality that the primary changes they are seeing is water weight. The TREND is important. The way your clothes fit is important. This really has nothign to do w/ my experience in competition prep or anything - it is simply an observation based on where I started out w/ my weight issues 30 years ago and every woman I've talked to or watched post up about these issues since then (and that's been a lot). If you fixate on the wrong thing, you make poor decisions based on incomplete data. Given the relationship between self-perception and "weight", IMO its very important to really have at least a basic understanding of more than just the scale. I'm not saying its bad thing , but it is only one of a variety of relevant measures, and in & of itself, it doesn't tell you the final story on "progress".

Two things are in play:
1) knowing the scale isnt the ONLY way to judge progress and remembering that it is measuring water, bone, fat & muscle and water weight changes a lot
2) what you, mentally, rely on to determine your progress, and thus, subconsciously may use to draw conclusions about other things, like your self-perceptions.

Originally Posted by unclem

^^^^sassy and u look as good as u do naturally? i think its fine if a woman is so insecure and wants that quick fix to help lose weight. everybody goes for stuff. its not a controlled drug t3 nor clen nor t4 nor eph there all non class meds. but they help the heavy woman lose weight. i know if i was heavy iam going for the quick fix, not diets and stuff, yes ill diet but if i new something would aide me in training and diet and losing weight , you bet your ass i would pop anything but dnp. no disrespect to you sassy, as i like your look and training philosophy, but iam being real.

Its fine & dandy if you want to use something to get quicky results. But if you don't also set up an environment in which to MAINTAIN YOU'RE RESULTS, i.e. diet, training, cardio / activity) as soon as you come off whatever you are using to force a metabolic change, you're going to rebound. The body can only reflect your lifestyle. The hardass way of saying it, is if you're a fat ass, unless you've got a legitimate metabolic issue going on like thyroid or something, then realize you didn't just suddenly get fat. Your lifestyle, your degree of stress, your consumption of nutritionally poor-quality / empty calorie products, your lack of sleep, your lack of physical activity, etc. etc etc. led you there. You can pop down whatever the hell you want, but none of that stuff should be considered a maintenance protocol, and as a result, what are you going to do when you come off? Maybe you made some progress w/ t3 or whatever. What happens when you come off? HOw are you going to maintain those results? Pop more? Or readjust your lifestyle to enable your body to support & maintain those results?

BTW I make these statemens from my own experience. I spent most of my teenage years and early adult life feelign like a fat pile of shit, never comfortable in my own skin and always struggling w/ finding clothes that I felt good in. Even keeping in mind I had been knockign around in the gym for most of that time. When I went away to college I got my weight under control for a while because I was swimming laps in the university pool every night for an hr - however I did it so I woudlnt' lose my mind from the stress of being a 3rd yr physics major & my first time away from home. After that it literally took doing a contest prep to understand how it all comes together and learning that none of all these quicky fixes that we're talking about ever really work w/o the solid diet, training & cardio program already in place and functioning.

I get that people want quicky fixes and they'll literally try anythign to find that quicky fix. But if they never get past looking to the quicky fixes to get results and come to understand that it requires the lifestyle to support it, they will continue to yoyo diet, pop things that they dont' know anything about, possibly start to abuse those things to get continued results. In other words, you can't get around it. There are no true quicky fixes that don't have some sort of consequence if you never get to the part where you get your diet in check, your physical activity regularly and good quality recovery. You just won't. Period.

Another thing I wanted to bring up is that if you're going to be using whatever supplement, be sure everything else you are doing is geared towards supporting your body while you are doing it. I.e. things like people who use DNP and then deciide they are going to throw down some recreational drugs & booze - guess what -- double / double dose of dehydration. What do you think kills competitors on stage? Certainly not steroids. Its the diuretics and screwed up electolyte balance. Or if your'e starving yourself and throwing in an aggressive fat burner - sending mixed messages to your body and your results aren't going to be as dramatic, your body will take the brunt of the stress and eventually shut down in terms fo responding to the highly restricted diet. Whatever you are planning to do, set up your whole plan around it and have a dismount plan as well when you come off whatever "quicky fix" thing you're looknig at using because none of those are meant to be a maintenance protocol.

Sassy, you and I will have to agree to disagree on the scale. You and I both came out of obesity, and clearly there are different successful models to follow.

Originally Posted by sassy69

Its fine & dandy if you want to use something to get quicky results. But if you don't also set up an environment in which to MAINTAIN YOU'RE RESULTS, i.e. diet, training, cardio / activity) as soon as you come off whatever you are using to force a metabolic change, you're going to rebound. The body can only reflect your lifestyle. The hardass way of saying it, is if you're a fat ass, unless you've got a legitimate metabolic issue going on like thyroid or something, then realize you didn't just suddenly get fat. Your lifestyle, your degree of stress, your consumption of nutritionally poor-quality / empty calorie products, your lack of sleep, your lack of physical activity, etc. etc etc. led you there. You can pop down whatever the hell you want, but none of that stuff should be considered a maintenance protocol, and as a result, what are you going to do when you come off? Maybe you made some progress w/ t3 or whatever. What happens when you come off? HOw are you going to maintain those results? Pop more? Or readjust your lifestyle to enable your body to support & maintain those results?

BTW I make these statemens from my own experience. I spent most of my teenage years and early adult life feelign like a fat pile of shit, never comfortable in my own skin and always struggling w/ finding clothes that I felt good in. Even keeping in mind I had been knockign around in the gym for most of that time. When I went away to college I got my weight under control for a while because I was swimming laps in the university pool every night for an hr - however I did it so I woudlnt' lose my mind from the stress of being a 3rd yr physics major & my first time away from home. After that it literally took doing a contest prep to understand how it all comes together and learning that none of all these quicky fixes that we're talking about ever really work w/o the solid diet, training & cardio program already in place and functioning.

I get that people want quicky fixes and they'll literally try anythign to find that quicky fix. But if they never get past looking to the quicky fixes to get results and come to understand that it requires the lifestyle to support it, they will continue to yoyo diet, pop things that they dont' know anything about, possibly start to abuse those things to get continued results. In other words, you can't get around it. There are no true quicky fixes that don't have some sort of consequence if you never get to the part where you get your diet in check, your physical activity regularly and good quality recovery. You just won't. Period.

Another thing I wanted to bring up is that if you're going to be using whatever supplement, be sure everything else you are doing is geared towards supporting your body while you are doing it. I.e. things like people who use DNP and then deciide they are going to throw down some recreational drugs & booze - guess what -- double / double dose of dehydration. What do you think kills competitors on stage? Certainly not steroids. Its the diuretics and screwed up electolyte balance. Or if your'e starving yourself and throwing in an aggressive fat burner - sending mixed messages to your body and your results aren't going to be as dramatic, your body will take the brunt of the stress and eventually shut down in terms fo responding to the highly restricted diet. Whatever you are planning to do, set up your whole plan around it and have a dismount plan as well when you come off whatever "quicky fix" thing you're looknig at using because none of those are meant to be a maintenance protocol.

Exactly.

^^^^ I dont freak out about my weigth fluctuating give or take 5lbs. I have always been a meaty kinda girl. Im 5'7'' and a very good lean weight for me is around 155. And I say that because I have 36ddd. Im not fat at the weight, i look good and I have muscular legs, so I have NEVER fallen into the category of being a size 6 and 120lbs. At 155 I was a size 6/7. Very comfortable with that. I wish girls werent taught that being over 115-120 is a bad thing. Unfortunelty thats what actresses in hollywood are, and they fail to tell the population that most of the actresses are also 5'4 and under. ugh!!!