Thread: Prostitution.....should it be legalised?

no, it shouldnt. It would take away from the thrill and danger. Nothing like rolling up to a group of shady skanks at 2am and not knowing whether you'll get jacked or bagged by the popo. Fight or flight is quite a thrill.

I read in the news paper that an ontario judge has legalized it here. lots of unhappy people, but it can take years for supreme court to reverse her decision.

she said it wasn't because she believed in prostitution, but because she wanted the prostitutes to be about to call for help to LE if they were in danger.

Yes.
Those vagina's work around the clock.... vagina's need rest too you know.

Originally Posted by min0 lee

Yes.
Those vagina's work around the clock.... vagina's need rest too you know.

Don't you mean around the cock?

Originally Posted by REDDOG309

Don't you mean around the cock?

No.
It should stay illegal and the laws should be inforced. Anyone who states that prostitution is a victimless crime just doesn't have a clue.

Prostitution is legal here in Australia and the girls are glad to take your money. I think that it is immoral to have prostitution illegal.
Without it I think that there would be more cases of rape and beastiality. I live near a brothel in my city but I haven't been there for about 12 years... I think I'm well over-due.

Originally Posted by MDR

No.
It should stay illegal and the laws should be inforced. Anyone who states that prostitution is a victimless crime just doesn't have a clue.

I'm curious who do you think is the victim there besides the government not gettin their piece of the pie.

It has been legalized around las vegas and it's become much safer for all parties involved hiv and other health checks. As well as police protection if something goes wrong no more pinp slaps and indentured servitude. Just a thought.

Originally Posted by twstdn8v

I'm curious who do you think is the victim there besides the government not gettin their piece of the pie.

It has been legalized around las vegas and it's become much safer for all parties involved hiv and other health checks. As well as police protection if something goes wrong no more pinp slaps and indentured servitude. Just a thought.

Not much of a thought, if you ask me, but I'll play along. The answer to who is the victim is obvious.

Melissa Farley, PhD, Founding Director of the Prostitution Research and Education, wrote in the Oct. 2004 Violence Against Women journal article "'Bad for the Body, Bad for the Heart:' Prostitution Harms Women Even If Legalized or Decriminalized" that:

"The regulation of prostitution by zoning is a physical manifestation of the same social/psychological stigma that decriminalization advocates allegedly want to avoid. Reflecting the social isolation of those in it, prostitution is often removed from the mainstream. Whether in Turkish genelevs (walled-off multiunit brothel complexes) or in Nevada brothels (ringed with barbed wire or electric fencing), women in state-zoned prostitution are physically isolated and socially rejected by the rest of society."

Oct. 2004

Veronica Monet, prostitute and author, in a Mar. 26, 2006 interview on the Suicide Girls website, said:

"Most of the brothels do not care about the women who work for them. They care about the clients who are paying them. I don't like legalized brothels. I have nothing against the women that are working in this system but the women who work in legal strip clubs and legal brothels do not benefit from any kind of labor rights."

Mar. 26, 2006

Anastasia Volkonsky, JD, Founder and former Project Director of Prevention, Referral, Outreach, Mentoring, and Intervention to End Sexual Exploitation (PROMISE), in the Feb. 27, 1995 Insight on the News article "Legalization the 'Profession' Would Sanction the Abuse," wrote:

"Behind the facade of a regulated industry, brothel prostitutes in Nevada are captive in conditions analogous to slavery. Women often are procured for the brothels from other areas by pimps who dump them at the house in order to collect the referral fee. Women report working in shifts commonly as long as 12 hours, even when ill, menstruating or pregnant, with no right to refuse a customer who has requested them or to refuse the sexual act for which he has paid. The dozen or so prostitutes I interviewed said they are expected to pay the brothel room and board and a percentage of their earnings -- sometimes up to 50 percent. They also must pay for mandatory extras such as medical exams, assigned clothing and fines incurred for breaking house rules. And, contrary to the common claim that the brothel will protect women from the dangerous, crazy clients on the streets, rapes and assaults by customers are covered up by the management."

Feb. 27, 1995

Sounds like a great system to me.

We have call girls here in Oz too. They all have their personal security/ bodygaurd that waits somewhere around the premises that she is working in and she has a buzzer that notifies her bodygaurd of any trouble.
Brothels here have strict rules too, too strict for my liking but I can appreciate why they need to be like that as they do deal with all kinds of people.

Prostitution can fit into society without harming anybody, there just needs to be laws put into place in order to protect the woman (and sometimes men).

A lot of young university students opt to prostitute themselves as to go to uni and hold a job to support themselves is not viable. They can work just one weekend and spend the rest of their time focusing on their studies for the next two weeks while living comfortably.
I will never forget the time I had just turned 18 years old and my mates and I headed to the city to go to a classy brothel, we were like kids in a candy store. This brothel was the first of any to secure a spot in the stock exchange, just another legitimate business.

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More directly to the point of the original question by the OP:

The National Center for Missing and Exploited Children (NCMEC), in the 1992 Female Juvenile Prostitution: Problem and Response stated:

"MYTH 2 - Prostitution is a victimless crime.

Prostitution creates a setting whereby crimes against men, women, and children become a commercial enterprise.... It is an assault when he/she forces a prostitute to engage in sadomasochistic sex scenes. When a pimp compels a prostitute to submit to sexual demands as a condition of employment, it is exploitation, sexual harassment, or rape -- acts that are based on the prostitute’s compliance rather than her consent. The fact that a pimp or customer gives money to a prostitute for submitting to these acts does not alter the fact that child sexual abuse, rape, and/or battery occurs; it merely redefines these crimes as prostitution."

1992 - National Center for Missing and Exploited Children (NCMEC)

The Pontifical Council for the Pastoral Care of the Migrants and Itinerant People, in the June 20-21, 2006 "First International Meeting of Pastoral Care for the Liberation of Women of the Street," wrote:

"Who is the victim?

She is a human being, in many cases crying for help because selling her body on the street is not what she would choose to do voluntarily. She is torn apart, she is dead psychologically and spiritually. Each person has a different story, mainly one of violence, abuse, mistrust, low self esteem, fear, lack of opportunities. Each has experienced deep wounds that need to be healed."

June 20-21, 2006 - Pontifical Council for the Pastoral Care of Migrants and Itinerant People

Joseph Parker, Clinical Director of the Lola Greene Baldwin Foundation, wrote the Aug. 4, 1998 "How Prostitution Works," which stated:

"People who have had luckier lives, as well as those who profit from the sex industry in some way, frequently refer to prostitution and pornography as 'victim-less crimes'. They point to a tiny fraction of sex workers who actually might be involved by choice. They selectively read history to find some tiny minority, somewhere, at some time, who gained something in the sex business.

The very selectiveness of their attention indicates that, on some level, they know that for almost everyone, involvement in the sex industry is a terrible misfortune.

As many an old cop will say, 'Anyone who thinks prostitution is a victimless crime, hasn’t seen it up close.'"

Aug. 4, 1998 - Joseph Parker

Andrew Arena, JD, Special Agent in Charge of Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) in Detroit, was quoted in the Aug. 16, 2006 FBI press release "Halting Human Trafficking: 31 Arrests in Major Prostitution Ring" as having said:

"Illegal prostitution is not a victimless crime. The FBI is part of the apparatus in place to protect people, sometimes even from their own poor choices."

Aug. 16, 2006 - Andrew Arena, JD

Weeeellllllllll I guess it depends on who does the study.

In other countries they make bank, here where the states that have it legal, they make squat. So, that is why most leave and go to Europe. Some have been known to make up 6 digits, and then marry a nice man and make shopping sprees with the intent to purchase 100k in jewels. So, for USA with homeless up and then their urinal streets, and paying for 300 lbs fatso to do nodda by our taxes, I head out of here. (I had to vent)


If you're dead serious, I'd reconsider here in the states and move.

That study reflects exactly how I feel just going to work.

Originally Posted by twstdn8v

Weeeellllllllll I guess it depends on who does the study.

Not really. Again, anyone who argues that prostitution is a victimless crime is clearly not seeing reality. As a rule, normal, healthy, well-adjusted individuals do not choose to become prostitutes. I've never understood why anyone would want to have sex with someone for money. Sounds about as much fun to me as moving furniture.

Originally Posted by MDR

More directly to the point of the original question by the OP:

The National Center for Missing and Exploited Children (NCMEC), in the 1992 Female Juvenile Prostitution: Problem and Response stated:

"MYTH 2 - Prostitution is a victimless crime.

Prostitution creates a setting whereby crimes against men, women, and children become a commercial enterprise.... It is an assault when he/she forces a prostitute to engage in sadomasochistic sex scenes. When a pimp compels a prostitute to submit to sexual demands as a condition of employment, it is exploitation, sexual harassment, or rape -- acts that are based on the prostitute’s compliance rather than her consent. The fact that a pimp or customer gives money to a prostitute for submitting to these acts does not alter the fact that child sexual abuse, rape, and/or battery occurs; it merely redefines these crimes as prostitution."

1992 - National Center for Missing and Exploited Children (NCMEC)

The Pontifical Council for the Pastoral Care of the Migrants and Itinerant People, in the June 20-21, 2006 "First International Meeting of Pastoral Care for the Liberation of Women of the Street," wrote:

"Who is the victim?

She is a human being, in many cases crying for help because selling her body on the street is not what she would choose to do voluntarily. She is torn apart, she is dead psychologically and spiritually. Each person has a different story, mainly one of violence, abuse, mistrust, low self esteem, fear, lack of opportunities. Each has experienced deep wounds that need to be healed."

June 20-21, 2006 - Pontifical Council for the Pastoral Care of Migrants and Itinerant People

Joseph Parker, Clinical Director of the Lola Greene Baldwin Foundation, wrote the Aug. 4, 1998 "How Prostitution Works," which stated:

"People who have had luckier lives, as well as those who profit from the sex industry in some way, frequently refer to prostitution and pornography as 'victim-less crimes'. They point to a tiny fraction of sex workers who actually might be involved by choice. They selectively read history to find some tiny minority, somewhere, at some time, who gained something in the sex business.

The very selectiveness of their attention indicates that, on some level, they know that for almost everyone, involvement in the sex industry is a terrible misfortune.

As many an old cop will say, 'Anyone who thinks prostitution is a victimless crime, hasn’t seen it up close.'"

Aug. 4, 1998 - Joseph Parker

Andrew Arena, JD, Special Agent in Charge of Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) in Detroit, was quoted in the Aug. 16, 2006 FBI press release "Halting Human Trafficking: 31 Arrests in Major Prostitution Ring" as having said:

"Illegal prostitution is not a victimless crime. The FBI is part of the apparatus in place to protect people, sometimes even from their own poor choices."

Aug. 16, 2006 - Andrew Arena, JD

needs to be said twice. well done

Thanks for answerin didnt realize all that was involved still even with things legalized.

Originally Posted by MDR

Not really. Again, anyone who argues that prostitution is a victimless crime is clearly not seeing reality. As a rule, normal, healthy, well-adjusted individuals do not choose to become prostitutes. I've never understood why anyone would want to have sex with someone for money. Sounds about as much fun to me as moving furniture.

People move furniture for a living too.

of course it should be legal, I can go pay for a full body massage, if I want that to include a handjob, felatio or even sex why the fuck does anyone else care? it's my business and the person I am paying for the service, NO ONE has any right to tell two consenting adults they can't have sex, and if one of them is paying the other BIG FUCKING DEAL!

how is porn not prostitution? two or more people are being paid to have sex so it can be filmed, doesn't that make them all prostitutes?

we will never stop prostitution,so make it legal, make prostitutes get monthly check-ups and carry an ID card saying their legal, AND tax it. if they come up positive for a disease they lose their ID and risk getting arrested.

Originally Posted by Prince

of course it should be legal, I can go pay for a full body massage, if I want that to include a handjob, felatio or even sex why the fuck does anyone else care? it's my business and the person I am paying for the service, NO ONE has any right to tell two consenting adults they can't have sex, and if one of them is paying the other BIG FUCKING DEAL!

how is porn not prostitution? two or more people are being paid to have sex so it can be filmed, doesn't that make them all prostitutes?

we will never stop prostitution,so make it legal, make prostitutes get monthly check-ups and carry an ID card saying their legal, AND tax it. if they come up positive for a disease they lose their ID and risk getting arrested.

The key word here Prince is consent. Prostitution does not include consent. Just because someone is paid does not take away the fact that they are often being violated, both physically and emotionally. NO ONE has the right to force someone into sex for money. This is not about freedom of choice. It is about basic human respect. I find prostitution disgusting and immoral, and a violation of basic human decency and dignity. Society has an obligation to protect its most vulnerable members. Prostitutes have often gone through a long history of sexual molestation and rape before progressing to the point of becoming prostitutes. Little girls don't dream of growing up and fucking people for money. These are wounded and damaged people, often hopelessly addicted and without viable choices in their lives. Anyone capable of making an informed decision about their own lives would not get involved in the degrading and dehumanizing act of selling their bodies for money.

Originally Posted by MDR

The key word here Prince is consent. Prostitution does not include consent. Just because someone is paid does not take away the fact that they are often being violated, both physically and emotionally. NO ONE has the right to force someone into sex for money. This is not about freedom of choice. It is about basic human respect. I find prostitution disgusting and immoral, and a violation of basic human decency and dignity. Society has an obligation to protect its most vulnerable members. Prostitutes have often gone through a long history of sexual molestation and rape before progressing to the point of becoming prostitutes. Little girls don't dream of growing up and fucking people for money. These are wounded and damaged people, often hopelessly addicted and without viable choices in their lives. Anyone capable of making an informed decision about their own lives would not get involved in the degrading and dehumanizing act of selling their bodies for money.

Yeah yeah! So, they're already damaged goods before they get into the business. At least this way, they can make some $ after going thru all of the abuse. A lot of women are abused who don't become hookers. There are also women who just don't have a a lot of self respect and do it just for the money. Look at Heidi Fleiss. She acted like she was some kind of friggin Bill Gates of the prostitution business. I say give them a legal permit and let them sell some ass. Only the hot ones tho. And, they gotta pay for their own spermicide, douche, etc. No free handouts from the govt.

Originally Posted by GearsMcGilf

Yeah yeah! So, they're already damaged goods before they get into the business. At least this way, they can make some $ after going thru all of the abuse. A lot of women are abused who don't become hookers. There are also women who just don't have a a lot of self respect and do it just for the money. Look at Heidi Fleiss. She acted like she was some kind of friggin Bill Gates of the prostitution business. I say give them a legal permit and let them sell some ass. Only the hot ones tho. And, they gotta pay for their own spermicide, douche, etc. No free handouts from the govt.

No misogyny in that statement. Your humanitarian values are clear.

I am all for women being able to work outside of the home. This way, they can even work from inside the home without having to worry about glass ceilings, unequal pay, etc.

I saw a show which studied the evolution of legal prostitution in Amsterdam. There are a few benefits, but what so many people don't realize is that it supports a HUGE human trafficking industry. Its bad enough that human trafficking is pretty much active anywhere in the world, but it has gotten so bad in Amsterdam that they are actually trying to limit and even close down window shops.

Sure, women are handed bundles of money for their services, but look beyond that. Most of the time there is a pimp in the background forcing her and coercing with a drug habit he started her on.

I think legalizing prostitution would only make a bad human trafficking issue even worse, therefore I wouldn't support it.

I just have one question. When has declaring anything illegal stoped it from happening?

you all do realize that prostitution is legal in Nevada and it does not cause any problems.

Originally Posted by Prince

you all do realize that prostitution is legal in Nevada and it does not cause any problems.

Yep-covered that earlier-

Melissa Farley, PhD, Founding Director of the Prostitution Research and Education, wrote in the Oct. 2004 Violence Against Women journal article "'Bad for the Body, Bad for the Heart:' Prostitution Harms Women Even If Legalized or Decriminalized" that:

"The regulation of prostitution by zoning is a physical manifestation of the same social/psychological stigma that decriminalization advocates allegedly want to avoid. Reflecting the social isolation of those in it, prostitution is often removed from the mainstream. Whether in Turkish genelevs (walled-off multiunit brothel complexes) or in Nevada brothels (ringed with barbed wire or electric fencing), women in state-zoned prostitution are physically isolated and socially rejected by the rest of society."

Oct. 2004

Veronica Monet, prostitute and author, in a Mar. 26, 2006 interview on the Suicide Girls website, said:

"Most of the brothels do not care about the women who work for them. They care about the clients who are paying them. I don't like legalized brothels. I have nothing against the women that are working in this system but the women who work in legal strip clubs and legal brothels do not benefit from any kind of labor rights."

Mar. 26, 2006

Anastasia Volkonsky, JD, Founder and former Project Director of Prevention, Referral, Outreach, Mentoring, and Intervention to End Sexual Exploitation (PROMISE), in the Feb. 27, 1995 Insight on the News article "Legalization the 'Profession' Would Sanction the Abuse," wrote:

"Behind the facade of a regulated industry, brothel prostitutes in Nevada are captive in conditions analogous to slavery. Women often are procured for the brothels from other areas by pimps who dump them at the house in order to collect the referral fee. Women report working in shifts commonly as long as 12 hours, even when ill, menstruating or pregnant, with no right to refuse a customer who has requested them or to refuse the sexual act for which he has paid. The dozen or so prostitutes I interviewed said they are expected to pay the brothel room and board and a percentage of their earnings -- sometimes up to 50 percent. They also must pay for mandatory extras such as medical exams, assigned clothing and fines incurred for breaking house rules. And, contrary to the common claim that the brothel will protect women from the dangerous, crazy clients on the streets, rapes and assaults by customers are covered up by the management."

Feb. 27, 1995

Sounds like a great system to me.