Thread: Abrupt cycle change?

hey night owl...I noticed you didn't have any response to your post. I re-posted in the anabolic forum instead of the female section and had better luck. you might wanna repost. just a suggestion

rae

Thanx, I actually had gotten a private response from a friend, but just thought to hear if anyone else might like to make a suggestion or share their experience.

Originally Posted by Nightowl

Can you tell me a bit about t4 with clen, and winnie versus t3, var, and clen? What is the difference?

You want to know the difference between T4, T3, clen, winny and var, is that what you're asking?

T4 is levothyroxine, the storage form of thyroid hormone.
T3 is liothyronine sodium, the active form of thyroid hormone.
Clenbuterol is a beta2-adrenergic agonist. Outside the US and Canada, it is a treatment for asthma. Side effects include muscle gain, at least in animals.
Winstrol is a brand name for stanozolol, a non-aromatizable injection or oral anabolic steroid.
Anavar was the brand name Searle gave oxandrolone, a non-aromatizable oral anabolic steroid.

Does this help?

Cycle changes happen to me when I am stressed! I dont know why that happens.

I think we're confusing "cycles". There's a menstrual cycle, which can be affected by MANY things from stress, to sudden change in weight or bodyfat, increase in exercise, and any sort of hormone manipulation -ranging from trying a new birth control, to using nolvadex or AAS.

The "cycles" I think the OP is referring to is switching "cycles" of winstrol or clen. As Built listed what each compound is - clen is NOT a sex hormone and should have no impact on your menstrual cycle at all, and further will have no interaction w/ your menstrual cycle or interaction w/ any steroids you were or might start using. T3/T4, also are not sex hormones, so you can stop / start these cycles regardless of a steroid cycle. And finally winstrol and anavar are sex hormones and you can actually probably stop and start these w/o much issue - but it really goes to the bigger concept of planning your cycle and cycling your plan, and then taking time off to allow your body to recover appropriately before you start another one .

There are no hard & fast rules but rather you should be using your goals and basic understanding of the purpose of the steroid or whatever compound you're using, its impact and stress on the body and how long it stays in your system (ref: detection time) to understand how long past the day you stop taking it, that it will be affecting your body.

In terms of stopping or starting clen or t3/t4 or an AAS relative to each other - it again goes back to the reason you are running any of this. If your diet & training are not already producing the results you want, then you're just wasting your time w/ these supplements and chances are you won't get what you were envisioning from your cycle, and may end up worse off because the drugs did what they do, which isn't necessarily what you thought they did. And further if you are mixing and matching stuff randomly, you're not going to get any results that are worth the stress on your body, you may not be allowing appropriate time for whatever compound to actually work (i.e. you need to understand what you are using and how it works - e.g. esters, half-life, etc.).

Hope that helps. It is confusing because you're mixing a lot of similar terms and concepts here.

I highly recommend you read this to have a better understanding of the variety of drugs women use to manipulate their bodies and how they interact with each other and with your body: Women and Drugs

Great post sassy. Thank you for putting this out here. It is very confusing, and the more education we can get on this issue, can make a world of difference in ones life.

Originally Posted by Gena Marie

Great post sassy. Thank you for putting this out here. It is very confusing, and the more education we can get on this issue, can make a world of difference in ones life.

This is one of the problems w/ using men's advice when it comes to AAS because the test vs estrogen issue is completely different. The other thing is that women are so fixed on "fat loss" that they see ALL of the chemistry out there thru the eyes of someone wanting to lose weight - don't care about impact of muscle - in fact usually don't want any (forgetting that "bodyfat %" is a ratio of lean muscle mass to bodyfat - muscle can make whatever bodyfat you have look SOO much better... skinnyfat just means you're a skeleton w/ saggy skin - guess what? no "Tone"). Mixing and matching self-medication doens't always work like taking an aspirin and an antihistimine.

And lastly - they'll go after just about any pill someone says will "lean them out & tone them up" before they'll take the time to establish a reasonable diet. It ain't rocket science and its not all necessarily intuitively obvious, but if you're willing to inject or pop some underground controlled substance, you should be willing to spend the time to understand what you're doing before you dive in and have to deal w/ the consequences.

Welp, I am glad someone brought this back up...I am with headaches and the it is day 3 of the Var. I am a bit shaken up, for every freakin time it is windy and the allergies start, what up? the var of god and wind are at my door. Can't blame it all in the cycle, for I need some clear days to tell, but think the manufacturer is still with lack of quality *var anyhow, their Clen stunk! Never again!


Now, back to the Sassy points: Could Tren alter a month or two with menstral cycle? I lost a period when in the usage of Tren, and I am curious, for I just started back.

(I lost some strength, but know that it was to clear and clean myself out for a bit.)

Originally Posted by Nightowl

Welp, I am glad someone brought this back up...I am with headaches and the it is day 3 of the Var. I am a bit shaken up, for every freakin time it is windy and the allergies start, what up? the var of god and wind are at my door. Can't blame it all in the cycle, for I need some clear days to tell, but think the manufacturer is still with lack of quality *var anyhow, their Clen stunk! Never again!


Now, back to the Sassy points: Could Tren alter a month or two with menstral cycle? I lost a period when in the usage of Tren, and I am curious, for I just started back.

(I lost some strength, but know that it was to clear and clean myself out for a bit.)

I have heard of people experiencing headaches and nosebleeds on var. Its interesting the not uncommon, but unexpected sides that people report from var, with var being known as such the "predictable", "safest", "mildest" compound.

And yes, as I said, ANY sex hormone manipulator is most likely going to interrupt a period. In fact, I'd generally say EXPECT IT. This goes for var, tren, nolvadex, any AI, etc.

Sassy:

Thank you!

Originally Posted by Nightowl

Sassy:

Thank you!

Damn estrogen. Its so picky about stuff when something is "off", but comes back w/ a vengeance when it finally decides.

Originally Posted by sassy69

This is one of the problems w/ using men's advice when it comes to AAS because the test vs estrogen issue is completely different. The other thing is that women are so fixed on "fat loss" that they see ALL of the chemistry out there thru the eyes of someone wanting to lose weight - don't care about impact of muscle - in fact usually don't want any (forgetting that "bodyfat %" is a ratio of lean muscle mass to bodyfat - muscle can make whatever bodyfat you have look SOO much better... skinnyfat just means you're a skeleton w/ saggy skin - guess what? no "Tone"). Mixing and matching self-medication doens't always work like taking an aspirin and an antihistimine.

And lastly - they'll go after just about any pill someone says will "lean them out & tone them up" before they'll take the time to establish a reasonable diet. It ain't rocket science and its not all necessarily intuitively obvious, but if you're willing to inject or pop some underground controlled substance, you should be willing to spend the time to understand what you're doing before you dive in and have to deal w/ the consequences.

Thanks sassy. You are so right. Before I knew what I know today, I would take anything my guy told me. I am not all that educated in AAS, but I know a lot more then I use to. Through trial and error, I know what works best for me at this point in time. I do trust what he gives me due to his extensive knowledge, at the same time, I have to be careful, because I am so willing to take what he tells me to, to not be an experiment.
Us gals need you, thanks for all your advice

Originally Posted by Gena Marie

Thanks sassy. You are so right. Before I knew what I know today, I would take anything my guy told me. I am not all that educated in AAS, but I know a lot more then I use to. Through trial and error, I know what works best for me at this point in time. I do trust what he gives me due to his extensive knowledge, at the same time, I have to be careful, because I am so willing to take what he tells me to, to not be an experiment.
Us gals need you, thanks for all your advice

I have to agree, I even watched one walk off the short pier after having a long walk, so to speak; just to sell and make a commission. Truly I wanted the gear information, but so many lies; I mean everyday the guy couldn't remember his words, for he was a commission based, and had too many lies already told.(couldn't remember who and what he said) Too funny, as I knew when it came down to it...he'd have to bail. Exactly the way I said he would. I think, I loved the 3 addresses when he said he only had one in a different city. duh, just get a few places for a fee and there you are with all your information you need, not even 3 houses could pay them off! Truly you're right Gena Marie...many are just there with little knowledge, this one couldn't get the diet nor make an effort to learn to spell.

on a lighter note: Guess those commissions really though can pay off, 3 addy's, but I am just glad to get off his phooney list for sales.
(in more ways then one) not even money could make this liar look anything more then a scumsucker, and what a bad liar! Maybe I will leave him alone or maybe not...I'll see what my friends are thinking

When it comes to this matter, I feel blessed to have Rob. I know he loves me and wouldn't lead me in the wrong direction. I feel like he is my mentor because I have learned so much about health, fitness, diet and supplements from him. It has been our life since we have been together. It is strange to me when people don't know or understand things. I guess when you have a great resource sitting right next to you, I tend to take that for granted. Silly girl I am.

Gena Marie:

I think you have a real reason to be so thankful and happy, for both of you share something that many people can't or don't. I don't think that I need someone sitting next to me....but if I could find one that isn't a liar, I might be more prone to talking to more of the bbers here and there.

Sorry, but I have a bad taste in my mouth, and since this snake man is gone I might turn around again and be real.

Originally Posted by Gena Marie

When it comes to this matter, I feel blessed to have Rob. I know he loves me and wouldn't lead me in the wrong direction. I feel like he is my mentor because I have learned so much about health, fitness, diet and supplements from him. It has been our life since we have been together. It is strange to me when people don't know or understand things. I guess when you have a great resource sitting right next to you, I tend to take that for granted. Silly girl I am.

Just want to reiterate the point about getting advice from people - some people are trying to sell you something, some people are just trying to look like they know what they're talking about, some people are just flippant and don't give a shit / spew / regurgitate stuff they head somewhere. However when it comes to drug advice - particularly in the scenario of advice from a guy to a girl --- I doubt many of the guys in this scenario would do anything to hurt their loved one - but it really doesn't matter what the intent is behind it - its still YOUR body and YOUR decision - thus YOUR responsibility. They don't have the same hormone profile and will not be experiencing the results and sides. Only you will.

I'm so glad you made the this statement earlier which is exactly the preface to your above quoted statement.

Before I knew what I know today, I would take anything my guy told me. I am not all that educated in AAS, but I know a lot more then I use to. Through trial and error, I know what works best for me at this point in time. I do trust what he gives me due to his extensive knowledge, at the same time, I have to be careful, because I am so willing to take what he tells me to, to not be an experiment.

Sassy, unique avatar indeed. Very Nice~

Your point well taken with those with agendas versus those with an undying love as reason. It is hard to imagine any such person or persons with a means to cause harm but it is again, not wise any more, for at least me to take words as bond. I remember how this person came forth, and I remember how this party made their way with words of wisdom, by usage of names and places and position(s). I think, the best was when the tren at higher dosage was then a possible problem with hair, but before the aldactone would have not been able for this problem to happen. Once brought forth,that extra hair maybe on the face, the person then states, "Oh, will that is normal" but prior to that in order to buy these aldactone... he stated: "you don't want the androgenic sides to hit you....hair loss, hair growth (facial, and other) and of course the biggest and best...man voice".

I watched this party for a long time, and in the end had to bail, for I would have killed him no doubt. I was already with the next steps...the addresses and the names and relative and then onward. (war path) I am thankful that he is laid to rest and the communications have been cut. Of course for those of you here, you might get a taste of this soap opera. If If his royal pain the ass shows up(Christ!)I trust he feels the "exact" same and "nothing" else..."let sleeping dogs lie"