Low Testosterone levels

jhawkin1 · 09-02-2009, 07:48 PM

I am 24 years old. I recently went and had a blood test done and my testosterone had been on the lower side. In previous months I had taken a testosterone booster called Activate Xtreme- and have been off for 3-4 months now...could that be my problem?

I have scheduled an appointment with an endocrinologist but won't be seeing him in a month or so. My general doctor gave me a prescription of viagra in the mean time, but I'm only 24 years old...do I have ED???

bad news if I do! No good for my girlfriend .

**Built** · 09-02-2009, 09:04 PM

I'd say it's a stretch - even if you ran an actual cycle you should have recovered by now.

How's the rest of your hormone profile and what was your reading (please include reference ranges)?

Hoglander · 09-02-2009, 11:36 PM

I'm wondering why your doc checked it at your age? If you asked him... well good for you! But why did you ask him?

What's up?

**Built** · 09-03-2009, 02:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hoglander

I'm wondering why your doc checked it at your age? If you asked him... well good for you! But why did you ask him?

What's up?

Um, that might have been it.

OH I crack myself up LMAO!

(jhawkin please forgive me, it was an easy lob and I'm weak-willed!)

**Prince** · 09-03-2009, 08:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jhawkin1

I am 24 years old. I recently went and had a blood test done and my testosterone had been on the lower side.

what were they, i.e. 200ng/dl?

hardasnails1973 · 09-06-2009, 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Prince

what were they, i.e. 200ng/dl?

Your Dr is freaken idiot as many as i have encountered in my clients.
BTW I am a few months away from finishing my Doctorate in naturopathic medicine and as you guys know I have come a long way since I first started posting on her. Actually right now I help run a HRT clinic that specializes in this issues. Let me tell you what I think is happening. When dealin with young people Dr's only look at the symptoms but never the causes. Most likely you depleting your cortisol reserves which should happen later in life. Due to the amount of stress from all angles of ones life young people are burning out by time that they are in early to mid 20's. So before jumping on the viagra kick like most idiot Dr's do I would get your thyroid levels check and i am not talking TSH bull shit, but a proper evaluation of your free levels and total levels of t4 and t3 as well reverse t3. At the same time i highly suggest a cortisol salvia test from either ZRT or genova to check your cortisol levels which are probably imbalances in the first place. As TRouble taught me many years ago that your gluthione levels are probably sucked dry as you have leaks in tight junction lowering you magnesium and electrolytes.
First you need to examine your lifestlye, poor sleep hygiene, proper nutrient balance in your diet which may be healthy but unbalanced (80% of people i encounter), emotional stress, estrogen levels (e2 4021 by quest labs or senstiive by labcorp.) Most dr's run the wrong damn test because they are freaken idiots. Endocronologist are idiots about male hormone (90%) of them so do not waste your time because they are diabetic dr's not hormone specialists. So as you can see I gave you plenty to think about. Yes everyone I have evolved light years since the last time I have posted and currently working on a project of cystic fibrosis by which I possible may have found the gene that causes it.

jhawkin1 · 09-20-2009, 02:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hardasnails1973

Your Dr is freaken idiot as many as i have encountered in my clients.
BTW I am a few months away from finishing my Doctorate in naturopathic medicine and as you guys know I have come a long way since I first started posting on her. Actually right now I help run a HRT clinic that specializes in this issues. Let me tell you what I think is happening. When dealin with young people Dr's only look at the symptoms but never the causes. Most likely you depleting your cortisol reserves which should happen later in life. Due to the amount of stress from all angles of ones life young people are burning out by time that they are in early to mid 20's. So before jumping on the viagra kick like most idiot Dr's do I would get your thyroid levels check and i am not talking TSH bull shit, but a proper evaluation of your free levels and total levels of t4 and t3 as well reverse t3. At the same time i highly suggest a cortisol salvia test from either ZRT or genova to check your cortisol levels which are probably imbalances in the first place. As TRouble taught me many years ago that your gluthione levels are probably sucked dry as you have leaks in tight junction lowering you magnesium and electrolytes.
First you need to examine your lifestlye, poor sleep hygiene, proper nutrient balance in your diet which may be healthy but unbalanced (80% of people i encounter), emotional stress, estrogen levels (e2 4021 by quest labs or senstiive by labcorp.) Most dr's run the wrong damn test because they are freaken idiots. Endocronologist are idiots about male hormone (90%) of them so do not waste your time because they are diabetic dr's not hormone specialists. So as you can see I gave you plenty to think about. Yes everyone I have evolved light years since the last time I have posted and currently working on a project of cystic fibrosis by which I possible may have found the gene that causes it.

Bold quotes sum it up?

jhawkin1 · 09-20-2009, 09:08 PM

Here were my test results from blood work:

Testosterone Level: 451f (ref range 241-827)

Testos, Free: 0.99 f (0.95-4.30)

Testosterone, Percent 0.22 Lf % of Total (0.32-0.51)

Not sure what all that means. Any ideas??

**Built** · 09-20-2009, 09:36 PM

You haven't posted it, but your SHBG is clearly elevated.

Weird.

jhawkin1 · 09-21-2009, 05:27 AM

What is my SHBG? Seeing the Endocrinologist today.

**Built** · 09-21-2009, 09:57 AM

Sex Hormone Binding Globulin.

You aren't on any medications, are you?

jhawkin1 · 09-21-2009, 08:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Built

Sex Hormone Binding Globulin.

You aren't on any medications, are you?

Keflex and Viagra

robertm1082002 · 09-21-2009, 08:45 PM

I had the same problem with low levels. My doc didn't say I had ED. Too much stress. He just prescribed me Androgel. Its a testosterone gel that you rub on your upper arms. Its a clear, non-smelly liquid and you'll have no problem to make your gf smile again.

**Built** · 09-21-2009, 11:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by robertm1082002

I had the same problem with low levels. My doc didn't say I had ED. Too much stress. He just prescribed me Androgel. Its a testosterone gel that you rub on your upper arms. Its a clear, non-smelly liquid and you'll have no problem to make your gf smile again.

How much androgel do you use, robertm? And do you have a health plan that pays for it - because a compounding pharmacy can make it for you for cheap.

jhawkin1 · 09-22-2009, 07:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by robertm1082002

I had the same problem with low levels. My doc didn't say I had ED. Too much stress. He just prescribed me Androgel. Its a testosterone gel that you rub on your upper arms. Its a clear, non-smelly liquid and you'll have no problem to make your gf smile again.

I get a fasted blood test tomorrow to check all my hormones! I hope that's what he prescribes me!

robertm1082002 · 09-24-2009, 04:18 PM

I use 8.75 grams of androgel per day. Yes, I have a med plan that pays for it but it still costs $25.00 for a 10 day supply. Any suggestions "Built"?

**Built** · 09-24-2009, 05:31 PM

I do!

Get in touch with a compounding pharmacy and get a quote for how much they'd charge to give you a 2% transdermal testosterone preparation in Versabase with vitamin E (it enhances permeation a little). There's a finite limit to how concentrated you want this stuff; twice as concentrated will not translate to twice the serum concentration, but 2% should be fine and it'll be cheaper this way.

Find out if androgel is an ester or testosterone base - I can't remember but I seem to recall it's an ester.

You may be well-served to have your preparation made up from testosterone propionate so it won't act on the 5-a reductase in your skin. Testosterone base should not be applied to scrotal skin for this reason, but it's a pisser because skin permeability is better there. If you get prop, you shouldn't have to worry about the local action and the molecule should still be small enough to pass through the skin.

danzik17 · 09-24-2009, 07:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Built

I do!

Get in touch with a compounding pharmacy and get a quote for how much they'd charge to give you a 2% transdermal testosterone preparation in Versabase with vitamin E (it enhances permeation a little). There's a finite limit to how concentrated you want this stuff; twice as concentrated will not translate to twice the serum concentration, but 2% should be fine and it'll be cheaper this way.

Find out if androgel is an ester or testosterone base - I can't remember but I seem to recall it's an ester.

You may be well-served to have your preparation made up from testosterone propionate so it won't act on the 5-a reductase in your skin. Testosterone base should not be applied to scrotal skin for this reason, but it's a pisser because skin permeability is better there. If you get prop, you shouldn't have to worry about the local action and the molecule should still be small enough to pass through the skin.

........ have I mentioned that the scope of your knowledge has never ceased to amaze me?

bandaidwoman · 09-27-2009, 02:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hardasnails1973

currently working on a project of cystic fibrosis by which I possible may have found the gene that causes it.

Interesting, not my specialty, but if I recall when I was working at Cold Spring Harbor laboratory there were close to 1000 gene mutations involved in Cystic fibrosis. I remember briefly from my pediatric rotation that the deltaF508 accounts for ~70% of mutations
in N. European Caucasians. Care to clarify, I am interested.

**Built** · 09-27-2009, 02:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by danzik17

........ have I mentioned that the scope of your knowledge has never ceased to amaze me?

Thank you.

I thank a lifetime with ADHD and Asperger's.

bandaidwoman · 09-27-2009, 02:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Built

I do!

Get in touch with a compounding pharmacy and get a quote for how much they'd charge to give you a 2% transdermal testosterone preparation in Versabase with vitamin E (it enhances permeation a little). There's a finite limit to how concentrated you want this stuff; twice as concentrated will not translate to twice the serum concentration, but 2% should be fine and it'll be cheaper this way.

Find out if androgel is an ester or testosterone base - I can't remember but I seem to recall it's an ester.

You may be well-served to have your preparation made up from testosterone propionate so it won't act on the 5-a reductase in your skin. Testosterone base should not be applied to scrotal skin for this reason, but it's a pisser because skin permeability is better there. If you get prop, you shouldn't have to worry about the local action and the molecule should still be small enough to pass through the skin.

some very useful learning info, thank you.

**Built** · 09-27-2009, 05:49 PM

You, my dear, are most welcome.

bandaidwoman · 09-27-2009, 06:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Built

You, my dear, are most welcome.

by the way you are right about androgel, it is ester based.

**Built** · 09-27-2009, 06:18 PM

Thanks bandaidwoman - I was pretty sure I remembered that one correctly. Propionate, I think, yes?

Something else to consider with topicals is the application - if it's simply hormone replacement, then an ester may very well be the right way to go. If it is for local application - (as is sometimes the case for treatment of libido in females, where it is applied locally to the clitoris), then an ester is definitely NOT the way to go.

As an aside, I've applied my transdermal (non-esterified) test to wound margins and noted enhanced healing. I mentioned this to my dermatologist and he seemed to think this was a reasonable observation.

bandaidwoman · 09-27-2009, 06:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Built

As an aside, I've applied my transdermal (non-esterified) test to wound margins and noted enhanced healing. I mentioned this to my dermatologist and he seemed to think this was a reasonable observation.

That would make sense since it is a anabolic hormone , though in contrary to that, studies with castrated mice show that castrated mice's wound heal faster than non castrated. http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/524313_5

Of course that is a systemic deprivation and thus affects more bodily processes, I am not aware of clinical studies comparing topical testosterone treatment to sham topical treatment but perhaps the dermatologist knows of such clinical reasearch. I know estrogen helps wound healing but that is the extent of my awareness/

09-02-2009, 07:48 PM	#1
jhawkin1 Registered User Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 496	Low Testosterone levels I am 24 years old. I recently went and had a blood test done and my testosterone had been on the lower side. In previous months I had taken a testosterone booster called Activate Xtreme- and have been off for 3-4 months now...could that be my problem? I have scheduled an appointment with an endocrinologist but won't be seeing him in a month or so. My general doctor gave me a prescription of viagra in the mean time, but I'm only 24 years old...do I have ED??? bad news if I do! No good for my girlfriend . Goal: 8% Body Fat, maintain majority of muscle mass New Years Resolution: Build up my lower body

09-02-2009, 09:04 PM	#2
Built Bioidentical Bodybuilder Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: . Posts: 6,121	I'd say it's a stretch - even if you ran an actual cycle you should have recovered by now. How's the rest of your hormone profile and what was your reading (please include reference ranges)? Wondering where to start? Confused? This will get you started. Daredevils are Shredded Find out why... (Now you can find out why... in Hebrew!) UD2.Built - My UD2.0 setup.

09-20-2009, 09:08 PM	#8
jhawkin1 Registered User Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 496	Here were my test results from blood work: Testosterone Level: 451f (ref range 241-827) Testos, Free: 0.99 f (0.95-4.30) Testosterone, Percent 0.22 Lf % of Total (0.32-0.51) Not sure what all that means. Any ideas?? Goal: 8% Body Fat, maintain majority of muscle mass New Years Resolution: Build up my lower body

09-20-2009, 09:36 PM	#9
Built Bioidentical Bodybuilder Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: . Posts: 6,121	You haven't posted it, but your SHBG is clearly elevated. Weird. Wondering where to start? Confused? This will get you started. Daredevils are Shredded Find out why... (Now you can find out why... in Hebrew!) UD2.Built - My UD2.0 setup.

09-21-2009, 05:27 AM	#10
jhawkin1 Registered User Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 496	What is my SHBG? Seeing the Endocrinologist today. Goal: 8% Body Fat, maintain majority of muscle mass New Years Resolution: Build up my lower body

09-02-2009, 11:36 PM	#3
Hoglander Cleaner Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Washington Posts: 1,501 Photos: 10	I'm wondering why your doc checked it at your age? If you asked him... well good for you! But why did you ask him? What's up?

09-21-2009, 09:57 AM	#11
Built Bioidentical Bodybuilder Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: . Posts: 6,121	Sex Hormone Binding Globulin. You aren't on any medications, are you? Wondering where to start? Confused? This will get you started. Daredevils are Shredded Find out why... (Now you can find out why... in Hebrew!) UD2.Built - My UD2.0 setup.

09-21-2009, 08:45 PM	#13
robertm1082002 Registered User Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Canada Posts: 5	Low Testosterone Level I had the same problem with low levels. My doc didn't say I had ED. Too much stress. He just prescribed me Androgel. Its a testosterone gel that you rub on your upper arms. Its a clear, non-smelly liquid and you'll have no problem to make your gf smile again.

09-24-2009, 04:18 PM	#16
robertm1082002 Registered User Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Canada Posts: 5	I use 8.75 grams of androgel per day. Yes, I have a med plan that pays for it but it still costs $25.00 for a 10 day supply. Any suggestions "Built"?

09-24-2009, 05:31 PM	#17
Built Bioidentical Bodybuilder Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: . Posts: 6,121	I do! Get in touch with a compounding pharmacy and get a quote for how much they'd charge to give you a 2% transdermal testosterone preparation in Versabase with vitamin E (it enhances permeation a little). There's a finite limit to how concentrated you want this stuff; twice as concentrated will not translate to twice the serum concentration, but 2% should be fine and it'll be cheaper this way. Find out if androgel is an ester or testosterone base - I can't remember but I seem to recall it's an ester. You may be well-served to have your preparation made up from testosterone propionate so it won't act on the 5-a reductase in your skin. Testosterone base should not be applied to scrotal skin for this reason, but it's a pisser because skin permeability is better there. If you get prop, you shouldn't have to worry about the local action and the molecule should still be small enough to pass through the skin. Wondering where to start? Confused? This will get you started. Daredevils are Shredded Find out why... (Now you can find out why... in Hebrew!) UD2.Built - My UD2.0 setup.

09-27-2009, 05:49 PM	#22
Built Bioidentical Bodybuilder Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: . Posts: 6,121	You, my dear, are most welcome. Wondering where to start? Confused? This will get you started. Daredevils are Shredded Find out why... (Now you can find out why... in Hebrew!) UD2.Built - My UD2.0 setup.

09-27-2009, 06:18 PM	#24
Built Bioidentical Bodybuilder Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: . Posts: 6,121	Thanks bandaidwoman - I was pretty sure I remembered that one correctly. Propionate, I think, yes? Something else to consider with topicals is the application - if it's simply hormone replacement, then an ester may very well be the right way to go. If it is for local application - (as is sometimes the case for treatment of libido in females, where it is applied locally to the clitoris), then an ester is definitely NOT the way to go. As an aside, I've applied my transdermal (non-esterified) test to wound margins and noted enhanced healing. I mentioned this to my dermatologist and he seemed to think this was a reasonable observation. Wondering where to start? Confused? This will get you started. Daredevils are Shredded Find out why... (Now you can find out why... in Hebrew!) UD2.Built - My UD2.0 setup.

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