Thread: My blood work came back today

Oh, I don't know.....

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How old you is?

Originally Posted by DaMayor

Oh, I don't know.....

Men with Low Testosterone More Likely to Die | LiveScience

How old you is?

42 buddy. Thanks for reminding me.
lol

Funk that depressing...low T?

Originally Posted by The Situation

Funk that depressing...low T?

Of course, my Dr. thinks that number is okay, but I've read test for a guy my age should be 600+
Unfortuantely, it varies allot and that value could very well be at a low point right now. It's like taking a picture of a bouncing ball. Depending on when you click the shutter, it can be at the bottom range or the top.
He wants to drawn and test blood again in 6 weeks. I would love to start the test cream to see how much of an impact it does make.

men.webmd.com/testosterone-15738?page=2 -

Total testosterone for males Age Male
7 months to 9 years
Less than 30 ng/dL (less than 1.04 nmol/L)

10-13 years
1-619 ng/dL (0.04-21.48 nmol/L)

14-15 years
100-540 ng/dL (3.47-18.74 nmol/L)

16-19 years
200-970 ng/dL (6.94-33.66 nmol/L)

20-39 years
270-1,080 ng/dL (9.00-37.48 nmol/L)

40-59 years
350-890 ng/dL (12.15-30.88 nmol/ L)
60 years and older
350-720 ng/dL (12.15-24.98 nmol/L)


Myehhh, I guess 600 could be right in the middle. I wouldn't get all worried just yet.

By the way...I got ya by one year.

Originally Posted by FMJ

Of course, my Dr. thinks that number is okay, but I've read test for a guy my age should be 600+
Unfortuantely, it varies allot and that value could very well be at a low point right now. It's like taking a picture of a bouncing ball. Depending on when you click the shutter, it can be at the bottom range or the top.
He wants to drawn and test blood again in 6 weeks. I would love to start the test cream to see how much of an impact it does make.

some Docs think its ok your just getting old... you be alright no test needed its just alittle low

46 here

HRT for over a year now.

just saying some Doc just don't get it....

Originally Posted by Hoglander

46 here

HRT for over a year now.

So maybe you can give me an idea of it's effectiveness?
How much did it bring up your test levels? Aside from libido, general health, etc did you notice other benefits? Did it help you with Muscle gains? Do you take any kind of AI to keep estro in check?
What do you think would happen if you suddenly stopped?

HRT is typically a permanent thing.

Originally Posted by IainDaniel

HRT is typically a permanent thing.

I understand that but I'm curious of what happens when you do eventually stop. I mean, you can't be expected to stay on it forever. So what actually does happen to your test levels when you quit using it?
I'm thinking the longer you use it, the more you get shut down. Certainly not at the rate of using gear but it's gotta do something to your natural production, otherwise, it's useless in the first place.
The other thing is, if you're using this stuff, you got to expect that more aromatizing will be taking place. What do you do about the ever increasing estro situation?
I'm sure test levels will only get so high on the cream but estro will continue to accumulate and eventually block test receptors. So, it's a double edged sword. HRT artifically raises test but also continues the estro accumulation. And getting off HRT, you're left with all that estro which tricks your brain into thinking theres enough test production so your natural production doesn't start up anymore. So.. what do you do at that point? Staying on HRT isn't going to fix the problem, only compound it. No?

Interesting how the minimum level for older guys 40+ is higher (350 vs. 270) than the 20-39 age group.

Anyway, stack it with Beta Alanine for added jackedness.

GICH!

Originally Posted by sprayherup

Interesting how the minimum level for older guys 40+ is higher (350 vs. 270) than the 20-39 age group.

Anyway, stack it with Beta Alanine for added jackedness.

GICH!

LOL.. and a little LHJO for good measure!

Originally Posted by sprayherup

Interesting how the minimum level for older guys 40+ is higher (350 vs. 270) than the 20-39 age group.

My brother-in-law used to race (round track and drag racing) He once told me that an engine will run it's absolute best.....right before it blows up.

That's what those numbers represent, lol.

Originally Posted by DaMayor

My brother-in-law used to race (round track and drag racing) He once told me that an engine will run it's absolute best.....right before it blows up.

That's what those numbers represent, lol.

WHAT?!?

Originally Posted by FMJ

WHAT?!?

You're as ass! lol

Originally Posted by FMJ

So maybe you can give me an idea of it's effectiveness?
How much did it bring up your test levels? Aside from libido, general health, etc did you notice other benefits? Did it help you with Muscle gains? Do you take any kind of AI to keep estro in check?
What do you think would happen if you suddenly stopped?

Daily topical would be about double what I was. So that's low 300s to steady 600ish.

Injections more than triple what I was for maybe 2 days then it slowly drops down to just under 400 before the next one.

Libido increase and sense of well being up with both methods, best with topical.

No increase in blood pressure or bad cholesterol and no zits.

Gains were great before I started. No real difference in gains on HRT at those levels for me.

No need for AI at those levels.

If I stopped???? Don't plan to find out.

Originally Posted by DaMayor

My brother-in-law used to race (round track and drag racing) He once told me that an engine will run it's absolute best.....right before it blows up.

That's what those numbers represent, lol.

That is so true

Originally Posted by DaMayor

men.webmd.com/testosterone-15738?page=2 -

Total testosterone for males Age Male
7 months to 9 years
Less than 30 ng/dL (less than 1.04 nmol/L)

10-13 years
1-619 ng/dL (0.04-21.48 nmol/L)

14-15 years
100-540 ng/dL (3.47-18.74 nmol/L)

16-19 years
200-970 ng/dL (6.94-33.66 nmol/L)

20-39 years
270-1,080 ng/dL (9.00-37.48 nmol/L)

40-59 years
350-890 ng/dL (12.15-30.88 nmol/ L)
60 years and older
350-720 ng/dL (12.15-24.98 nmol/L)


Myehhh, I guess 600 could be right in the middle. I wouldn't get all worried just yet.

By the way...I got ya by one year.

Men deserve the T levels of their youth not old men. Don't believe these BS ranges.

i'm 41. when i had mine checked about 6 months ago, it was 289 :-(
doc put me on 200mg cyp (injections) every other week and that got it to 670. then she said it was getting too high and changed me to one shot per month (wtf). so i have since taken matters into my own hands. i've never tried the creme.

I'm 26 and I think I have very low test levels. I just need to get blood work done but have no insurance currently since I'm not working. I'm thinking of applying for medi-cal and having blood work done once approved.

At what low level of test do men usually experience weight gain and low libido?

Originally Posted by FMJ

I understand that but I'm curious of what happens when you do eventually stop. I mean, you can't be expected to stay on it forever. So what actually does happen to your test levels when you quit using it?
I'm thinking the longer you use it, the more you get shut down. Certainly not at the rate of using gear but it's gotta do something to your natural production, otherwise, it's useless in the first place.
The other thing is, if you're using this stuff, you got to expect that more aromatizing will be taking place. What do you do about the ever increasing estro situation?
I'm sure test levels will only get so high on the cream but estro will continue to accumulate and eventually block test receptors. So, it's a double edged sword. HRT artifically raises test but also continues the estro accumulation. And getting off HRT, you're left with all that estro which tricks your brain into thinking theres enough test production so your natural production doesn't start up anymore. So.. what do you do at that point? Staying on HRT isn't going to fix the problem, only compound it. No?

Yes you pretty much have to stay on it forever,the thing about transdermals is that it will give you a bit of a bump but nothing like a 200mg per week pin.you would only get 10% effective dose of the total mg/ml of the cream so about 20mg test ed.When I was on the transD testim 50mg/ml my levels only went up about 150ng/dl which was enough to give me a libido increase and feel better in general, but no real anabolic boost.I went to 150 mg ew inj of cyp and wow what a difference.My last blood work came back at 900 ng/dl. My doc was concerned but when he gave me my physical and looked at all my other levels and found that they had all improved he let me ride with it.I was actually kind of shocked considering hes not an hrt doctor just a Gen prac. As far as the estro and all I've never had an issue with it so I don't know but from what I've seen as long as the dose is not to high and your bodyfat is not to high the risk is slight.

Originally Posted by FMJ

Of course, my Dr. thinks that number is okay, but I've read test for a guy my age should be 600+
Unfortuantely, it varies allot and that value could very well be at a low point right now. It's like taking a picture of a bouncing ball. Depending on when you click the shutter, it can be at the bottom range or the top.
He wants to drawn and test blood again in 6 weeks. I would love to start the test cream to see how much of an impact it does make.

It's highest in the morning so if you took it before...say 10:00 it probably closer to your peak.

Originally Posted by FMJ

So maybe you can give me an idea of it's effectiveness?
How much did it bring up your test levels? Aside from libido, general health, etc did you notice other benefits? Did it help you with Muscle gains? Do you take any kind of AI to keep estro in check?
What do you think would happen if you suddenly stopped?

I'm 48 and on TRT for a year. I take 200 mg of Test C a week with 0.5 mg every other day of letrozole. also I take 250 iu of hCG 2-3 times a week one month on and one month off. My test is a little over the top on this regime. I test at 1300-1400 on a range of 300-1000. My estradiol is 15-20 on a normal range of 10-60. Some things you have to watch out for including cholesterol, triglycerides, liver values and probably most importantly, hematology numbers. RBCs, hematocrit, mean corpuscular volume, hemoglobin etc... Steroids make your blood stem cells pump out a lot of red cells. You don't want to let your get to thick. Also, platelets tend to aggregate more so platelets can test as low and this can predispose you to stroke. I give blood every 2-3 months to ward off hematologic problems. As far as benefits, I no longer have brain fog and I perform better in the gym for sure. Beware though. There is a huge temptation to start adding compounds. The natural tendency is to feel more is better. This is probably OK for short periods but can lead to poor health trends as far as what the blood work is telling you. If you decide to do TRT get regular bloodwork and adjust your treatments accordingly. For myself, i have to watch my hematology and especially platelets.

what ever you choose to do, good luck.

im 44, and just started taking 50mg of testim 1%(gel)/day, i have def noticed the difference in the libido aspect. more night erections, and morning wood everyday.
i also bumped up my vitamin d( we live in the northern part of us, not much sunlight), but was also put on 30mg of pregnenolone. i dont know if i will ever get any great gains in the gym from this,but it is proven to promote lean muscle mass, which in turn burns body fat. i am 6' and 220 pounds, one other thing im noticing is that the DOMS from the workouts dont last long, by second day, im not sore anymore.
i am fortunate enough to have good insurance, so that makes it alot easier. when i asked my doctor about test levels, if i chose not to take it anymore, he said that my levels would go back to prior.(my level was 259). he also mentioned that the one thing in common with high cholesterol, heart disease, diabites, and one other that i cant think of now, was that most patients have low test level, and in research, that alot of them had postive changes when put on the test.

i figure that as long as i have good insurance, no reason to ever stop taking it.

Originally Posted by klc9100

i'm 41. when i had mine checked about 6 months ago, it was 289 :-(
doc put me on 200mg cyp (injections) every other week and that got it to 670. then she said it was getting too high and changed me to one shot per month (wtf). so i have since taken matters into my own hands. i've never tried the creme.

What kind of a freaking moron pins once a MONTH?

I have hubby pinning twice a week with cyp. 200 every other week is still stupid. You should have been pinning 50mg twice a week. Rule of thumb: pin twice per halflife.

your doc said 670 was too high?

get a new doc.