Thread: Low Test ruining my life. Please help

Hey man,

look, I am not a doctor and I can't say what the problem can be, but one thing for sure, don't stay locked in your room, as long as you can walk and talk, even if not feeling well but if you can try and go out, talk to your friends and be open to your girlfriend, I am sure that if she loves you she'll understand, and I think that if we talk to people about our problems we let them go and don't just keep them all inside... Let go and go..

Good Luck Friend

I agree with geared jesus. Read this below.


Clomid quadrupled testosterone level of over-trained runner
A relatively modest dose of clomid – full name clomiphene citrate – quadrupled the amount of testosterone in the body of an endurance athlete, who had wrecked his hormone system by over training. Endocrinologists at the University of New Mexico described what happened in a case study published twelve years ago in Fertility & Sterility.








The combination of endurance sports and over training spells disaster for sex hormone production. One of the most important reasons for this is that over training causes the hypothalamus in the brain to stop producing the master hormone GnRH. GnRH stimulates the production of LH and FSH in the pituitary. These are two hormones that stimulate the Leydig cells to produce more testosterone.

Anti-oestrogens increase the production of GnRH. The more oestrogens there are in the body, the less active the hypothalamus becomes, and the lower the amount of oestrogens, the more active it becomes. An anti-oestrogen like clomid blocks the oestrogen receptor. If you take clomid, oestrogens do continue to circulate in your body, but the cells don't notice them.

The researchers decided to apply this knowledge to a 29-year-old man who showed signs of serious over training. The man was 1.70 metres tall and weighed only 52 kg, but as a result of exercise had developed stress fractures in his pelvis. He had been running between 80 and 140 km a week since he was fifteen. For most people running is good for their bones, but things turned out differently for this guy. He was suffering from osteoporosis.

He’d also had sexual problems since the age of twenty: he’d had increasing trouble getting an erection.

When the doctors tested his blood, they discovered that the man’s testes were producing too little testosterone. His total testosterone level was 4.5 nmol/L. A normal level for men is between 12.5 and 34.3 nmol/L. The man’s free testosterone level was 9.0 pmol/L. The normal level for this is 45.0 to 138.7 pmol/L. The man’s LH and FSH levels were just within the normal limits, but were on the low side.

The doctors gave the guy 50 mg clomid daily. The graphs below show that as a result his testosterone level rose after week 0 – the start of the clomid therapy – by a factor of four. If you calculate generously it’s a factor of five.





In week 24 the doctors stopped giving the guy clomid. When the complaints returned as a result, and had not disappeared after three months, the doctors put the guy on 25 mg clomid per day. The man apparently was not prepared to change his lifestyle in a way that would normalise his testosterone levels naturally. He could have done this for example by replacing part of his endurance training schedule with strength training, by reducing the total amount of training he did, by sleeping more or by increasing his intake of mono-unsaturated fatty acids.

And read this to below...

Erection drugs like Viagra/sildenafil or Cialis/tadalafil inhibit the enzyme PDE5, thus making erections easier. Andrologists at the University of Rome ‘La Sapienza’ discovered that tadalafil at least also inhibits aromatase, the enzyme that converts testosterone into estradiol.

Tadalafil is the longer-working relation of sildenafil. It remains effective for a day and a half after being taken, whereas sildenafil is only active for half a day. It was already known that men who take sildenafil or tadalafil produce more testosterone. Italian researchers published a study on this in 2004 in Clinical Endocrinology. [Clin Endocrinol (Oxf). 2004 Sep;61(3):382-6.]

The article describes their study of seventy impotent men, who took 50 mg of Viagra or 20 mg of Cialis for three months. The men’s hormone levels were normal, although their free testosterone was on the low side. The men took five pills a month. The medicine worked and their sex life returned to normal. After three months their blood concentrations of total testosterone and free testosterone were a little higher. Their LH concentration had gone down.

The men had sex five to seven times a month on average. The sex was probably what caused the rise in testosterone level, the researchers suspect. According to the literature, sexual excitement increases the testosterone level, the researchers claim. That erection drugs have hormonal effects they say is unlikely.

Their colleagues, who published their research two years later, are of a different opinion. They examined twenty men who had been using Cialis for a year. The men took 10 mg doses, but were allowed to go up to 20 mg. The men took a pill on average ten times a month, and had sex eight times a month. When the researchers examined the men’s blood, they noticed that the testosterone concentration had increased by a tiny amount [the effect was not significant] and the estradiol concentration had gone down.

The effect on the estradiol was statistically significant. It only occurred, however, in the men that did not have too much body fat. The researchers found no effect on the estradiol level in the men with a BMI of 27 or higher. These men probably have aromatase in their fat reserves, which takes no notice of tadalafil and happily continues to convert testosterone into estradiol.

The researchers are cautiously optimistic about their discovery. "Any presumable effect of PDE5 on aromatase activity should be further confirmed with both in vitro and in vivo studies because it may open a new research avenue, for example, atherosclerosis, prostate disease, breast cancer, and osteoporosis", they write in their concluding paragraph.

angelo212, your article is interesting..... men who take the daily cialis 5mg a day feel a lot better than the men who only take cialis as needed for erectile dysfunction. The above mechanism may be playing a part.

Tkay, I'm sure your physicans looked for secondary (not primary) but secondary adrenal failure. With that said, the clomid also looks interesting. If your traditional (allopathic or osteopathic) doctors have exhausted all their avenues you may want to seek out a licensed naturopath, not homeopaths, but naturopaths. They do clinical research, learn anatomy, physiology etc. are are really adept at approaching illnesses from a different but just as valid of a philosophy. Here in he US , for the most part , ( depends on state) they are rigorously licensed and trained, in fact, some physicians are so attracted to it they do extra fellowships in it. Good luck.

At the risk of sounding like the board sicko....which I probably earned more than once, jerk off more. That will increase your testosterone levels by telling your body that you need more for sexual purposes.

Originally Posted by irontime

At the risk of sounding like the board sicko....which I probably earned more than once, jerk off more. That will increase your testosterone levels by telling your body that you need more for sexual purposes.

You really don't believe this do you? And if it does happen I don't think the increase in testosterone will be substantial enough to make a difference.

I read it in a mens health mag. Not sure the levels it increases but it can't hurt.

Originally Posted by irontime

At the risk of sounding like the board sicko....which I probably earned more than once, jerk off more. That will increase your testosterone levels by telling your body that you need more for sexual purposes.

Believe me on this one bro if jacking off increased your test levels signifacantly I would be a six time Mr. Olympia!

Originally Posted by Tkay

(snip)my health is deteriorating every day.
Anyone, I am desperate and any response would mean the world to me, and could give me some hope I really really need.
Thankyou,
Tom

My God, you're only 26. If things took a turn for the better with the testogel then I would suspect they'd be even better with more aggressive use of testosterone. Hang in there, man, but take action ASAP. bandaidwoman's advice would be my first step. Best wishes!

Originally Posted by bandaidwoman

(snip)Tkay, I'm sure your physicans looked for secondary (not primary) but secondary adrenal failure. With that said, the clomid also looks interesting. If your traditional (allopathic or osteopathic) doctors have exhausted all their avenues you may want to seek out a licensed naturopath, not homeopaths, but naturopaths. They do clinical research, learn anatomy, physiology etc. are are really adept at approaching illnesses from a different but just as valid of a philosophy. Here in he US , for the most part , ( depends on state) they are rigorously licensed and trained, in fact, some physicians are so attracted to it they do extra fellowships in it. Good luck.

http://www.naturopathic.org/

There's a link or search box there that offers "Find A Naturopathic Doctor Near You:"

And this along with other hopefully helpful information.

Adrenal Fatigue Explained
Questions about fatigue are some of the most common that naturopathic physicians hear from patients. Over extended periods this can overburden our bodies, creating a situation that’s not so easy to bounce back from. In particular the adrenal glands, being in charge of the release of various stress hormones, can become exhausted and unable to effectively do their job. Catherin Clinton, ND explains why “adrenal fatigue" occurs, and how natural therapies can alleviate this complex condition.

Originally Posted by jcar1016

Believe me on this one bro if jacking off increased your test levels signifacantly I would be a six time Mr. Olympia!

LMAO, nice one. Just thought it might be a small way to increase more test. I really have no way to prove or disprove it. But even if it doesn't work then at least you get to whack it more.

Did a little research and found some info on increasing testosterone, there's some other good ideas on this site, but I'm gonna copy and paste the one that backs up my earlier post ;
How to increase testosterone naturally

If you're not getting sexual stimulated or sexual aroused very much right now (especially if you're over 40)... You can dramatically boost your testosterone levels by getting sexually stimulated more often so basically...

You need to start doing almost anything you can to get a sexually stimulating 'Viagra free' erection and German scientists even found that simply having an erection causes your levels of circulating testosterone to rise significantly and look at how these other 3 studies prove how much your testosterone can rise after getting sexual stimulated...

In a study done by Ludwig Boltzmann Institute for Urban Ethology in Vienna... 10 men viewed a 15 minute pornographic film and the men's testosterone levels increased 100 percent afterwards.


Another study published by Psychoneuroendocrinology used sexually arousing films on 9 males and testosterone levels increased within 10 minutes of sexually arousal.


In a study published in the Archives of Sexual Behavior... Testosterone was measured every 15 min for 3 hours in 8 men before, during, and after the showing of a sexually explicit movie and there was an average increase of 35% in testosterone so...
Not getting sexual stimulated or aroused for long periods of time can actually decrease your testosterone levels so if you find it hard to get sexually stimulated...