What do I need to do to faint ?

PreMier · 03-22-2004, 07:42 PM

Mui Thai. Or any other striking combat IE: Shotokan

Vieope · 03-22-2004, 07:53 PM

I will look for this Shokotan ..
Is is possible to learn a martial arts by a book ?

cappo5150 · 03-22-2004, 09:34 PM

What discipline did Mr. Miagi teach Daniel-san, that wax on wax off stuff?

DrChiro · 03-23-2004, 10:52 AM

it is true that if you are more skilled in BJJ you will be able to put your opponent in a hold faster in most cases....but you are still in a compromising position, especially if he has "friends" around.

also, short of choking him till he his unconciouss or breaking a limb...it is hard to get an opponent to submit...."tapping out" doesnt end a streetfight.....at least if you knock him out, or knock the wind out of him, or break his nose he is unable/unwilling to continue fighting.

DrChiro · 03-23-2004, 11:00 AM

please dont get me wrong...you do need ground fighting skills just in case it heads that direction.....I just dont believe it is the "end-all-be-all" art that people seem to think it is because of the UFC competitions.

in all honesty, just knowing a few basic ground moves really well is enough IMO....they are relatively easy to use and apply and can be added to any style of martial arts....you may not be able to beat ken shamrock but your average pain in the ass drunk bastard doesnt stand a chance!

**Dale Mabry** · 03-23-2004, 11:59 AM

I got the shit beat out of me when I took a fight to the ground. I took the guy down after he sucker punched me at a club (For what reason I have no idea) and threw in my legs (What you MMAers call a rear mount. I started pounding him in the back of the head repeatedly. By repeatedly I mean twice because within a second 4 of his friends played a game of soccer with my head. I really wished I would have been knocked out because they each got in like 3 kicks before the bouncers got to them. I got a broken nose and a chipped tooth out of the deal and got to feel each of their shoe laces scrape across my face. For some reason I never got a black eye, despite the focus on my face and head.

DrChiro · 03-24-2004, 11:15 AM

exactly what i mean Dale....unless you know for sure that this guy doesnt have friends around dont take him to the ground...it opens you up to becoming a human "soccer ball" like you said.

sometimes you dont have a choice in the matter...you may find yourself on the ground despite your best efforts no to go there...but if it were me i would try and get up again as soon as possible and remember to always monitor your surroundings, try to keep your back to a wall if possible so that you cant get jumped from the rear....street fighting is a hell of alot different than sport fighting...lots more to worry about, not to mention the fact that you can't "tap out" if you are getting your ass kicked!

also when you are on the ground your opponent may gain access to a knife that they may keep hidden in their pocket or boot and you may never see him get it if you are wrestling around with him....but you will sure as hell feel it when he jams it between your ribs....i always carry a tactical folder when i go to clubs....wrestle with me on the ground and see what happens.

JLB001 · 03-24-2004, 11:17 AM

Craig.....I could hardly get in my 2nd meal cuz of that damn brownie mix. That is going to the office. now.

Burner02 · 03-24-2004, 12:03 PM

brownies? Some one is having brownies? I want one!

JLB001 · 03-24-2004, 12:11 PM

Come get the whole pan Burner! They are just sitting on the stove now.

Burner02 · 03-24-2004, 12:26 PM

well, the Lamborgini is in the shop...gas prices are high anyway....and for some reason, law enforcement officials tend to frown at people driving 180mph.....
so I will have to reluctantly decline..

03-22-2004, 07:42 PM	#61
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03-22-2004, 07:53 PM	#62
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03-23-2004, 10:52 AM	#64
DrChiro addicted to the crack Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: houston, tx Posts: 798	it is true that if you are more skilled in BJJ you will be able to put your opponent in a hold faster in most cases....but you are still in a compromising position, especially if he has "friends" around. also, short of choking him till he his unconciouss or breaking a limb...it is hard to get an opponent to submit...."tapping out" doesnt end a streetfight.....at least if you knock him out, or knock the wind out of him, or break his nose he is unable/unwilling to continue fighting.
	My opinions may have changed, but not the fact that I am right. When one door closes another door opens; but we often look so long and so regretfully upon the closed door that we do not see the ones which open for us.

03-23-2004, 11:00 AM	#65
DrChiro addicted to the crack Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: houston, tx Posts: 798	please dont get me wrong...you do need ground fighting skills just in case it heads that direction.....I just dont believe it is the "end-all-be-all" art that people seem to think it is because of the UFC competitions. in all honesty, just knowing a few basic ground moves really well is enough IMO....they are relatively easy to use and apply and can be added to any style of martial arts....you may not be able to beat ken shamrock but your average pain in the ass drunk bastard doesnt stand a chance!
	My opinions may have changed, but not the fact that I am right. When one door closes another door opens; but we often look so long and so regretfully upon the closed door that we do not see the ones which open for us.

03-23-2004, 11:59 AM	#66
Dale Mabry Moderator Moderator Join Date: May 2003 Location: Elsewhere Posts: 13,909 Photos: 10	I got the shit beat out of me when I took a fight to the ground. I took the guy down after he sucker punched me at a club (For what reason I have no idea) and threw in my legs (What you MMAers call a rear mount. I started pounding him in the back of the head repeatedly. By repeatedly I mean twice because within a second 4 of his friends played a game of soccer with my head. I really wished I would have been knocked out because they each got in like 3 kicks before the bouncers got to them. I got a broken nose and a chipped tooth out of the deal and got to feel each of their shoe laces scrape across my face. For some reason I never got a black eye, despite the focus on my face and head.
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03-22-2004, 09:34 PM	#63
cappo5150 Senior Member Elite Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Venice, CA Posts: 2,318 Photos: 1	What discipline did Mr. Miagi teach Daniel-san, that wax on wax off stuff?

03-24-2004, 11:15 AM	#67
DrChiro addicted to the crack Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: houston, tx Posts: 798	exactly what i mean Dale....unless you know for sure that this guy doesnt have friends around dont take him to the ground...it opens you up to becoming a human "soccer ball" like you said. sometimes you dont have a choice in the matter...you may find yourself on the ground despite your best efforts no to go there...but if it were me i would try and get up again as soon as possible and remember to always monitor your surroundings, try to keep your back to a wall if possible so that you cant get jumped from the rear....street fighting is a hell of alot different than sport fighting...lots more to worry about, not to mention the fact that you can't "tap out" if you are getting your ass kicked! also when you are on the ground your opponent may gain access to a knife that they may keep hidden in their pocket or boot and you may never see him get it if you are wrestling around with him....but you will sure as hell feel it when he jams it between your ribs....i always carry a tactical folder when i go to clubs....wrestle with me on the ground and see what happens.
	My opinions may have changed, but not the fact that I am right. When one door closes another door opens; but we often look so long and so regretfully upon the closed door that we do not see the ones which open for us.

03-24-2004, 11:17 AM	#68
JLB001 I see YOU!! Elite Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Houston Posts: 8,293 Photos: 5	Craig.....I could hardly get in my 2nd meal cuz of that damn brownie mix. That is going to the office. now.
	"When you get to the end of your rope, tie a knot in it and hang on."

03-24-2004, 12:03 PM	#69
Burner02 Super Hero in Training Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Tip of the spear! Posts: 28,331	brownies? Some one is having brownies? I want one!
	Success leaves clues. People who produce outstanding results do specific things to create those results Nobody cares what you did yesterday or what you are going to do tomorrow. What is important is what you are doing NOW to solve our problem THERE IS NO TOMORROW! - Appollo Creed

03-24-2004, 12:11 PM	#70
JLB001 I see YOU!! Elite Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Houston Posts: 8,293 Photos: 5	Come get the whole pan Burner! They are just sitting on the stove now.
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03-24-2004, 12:26 PM	#71
Burner02 Super Hero in Training Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Tip of the spear! Posts: 28,331	well, the Lamborgini is in the shop...gas prices are high anyway....and for some reason, law enforcement officials tend to frown at people driving 180mph..... so I will have to reluctantly decline..
	Success leaves clues. People who produce outstanding results do specific things to create those results Nobody cares what you did yesterday or what you are going to do tomorrow. What is important is what you are doing NOW to solve our problem THERE IS NO TOMORROW! - Appollo Creed

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