jaim91

I was recently hospitalized for higher than high creatinine and urea levels. I was told (and have read in biology/muscle building books) that this can happen when there is too much protein or amino acids floating around in the body. My kidneys stopped functioning properly as a result. I was told to cut down on my protein. My mom has almost totally made me cut it out of my diet. I still train religiously though, but I don't know what to do. I get blood tests every week now, and I don't want them to go out of whack again by screwing with the system.

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What was your daily protien intake?

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jaim91

I would say that including Nitrotech bars/shakes it would be about...200. Anywhere between 115 (my bodyweight) - 200 (If I was training that day)

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Jaim, your health is THE MOST important thing you have to take care of. Listen to your dr and get better.

What symptoms did you have before you went in to the hospital?

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Hope you get better. Keep us informed.

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what sort of kidney problems were you experiencing?


whats Murpheys Law? lol Im a dud.

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"If something can go wrong, it will" = Murpheys Law or SoDs

http://www.murphys-laws.com/murphy/murphy-true.html

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wow, that's strange. i thought you would say in the 400's or something to have kidney probs. relating to protein intake.

i mean obviously you'd know this, but you sure there wasn't any underlying kidney issues before this?

200g of protein is not alot at all. do you drink enough water? have you taken ANY kind of drugs? i dont mean to sound like i'm hounding you whatsoever, but that just seems very strange to me.

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im with flex on this 200 g/day should not cause you problems like this. There might be some other preexisting problem that the higher protein intake just brought to the surface

BabsieGirl

Jaim - Is there a familiy history of Kidney Failure?

The most common causes of Kidney failure is:

High Blood Pressure
Diabetes (blood glucose)
Nephritis - this is when there is inflammation of the glomeruli (Tiny blood vessels inside the nephrons which filter the blood), filtration unit of the kidneys.
Pyelonephritis - this is when there is inflammation around the draining system of the kidney
Renovascular disease - The arteries (blood vessels) from the heart to the kidneys become diseased and fail to provide the kidneys with an adequate blood supply.
Polycystic kidney disease (PCKD) - this is a disease in which both kidneys become filled with cysts
Analgesic nephropathy and drugs - misuse or overuse of certain painkillers and drugs can damage the kidneys.

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brb - I'm looking for meds now.....

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Ibuprofen May Cause Rare Kidney Failure
NEW YORK (Reuters) -- For the first time, a relatively rare kidney disorder has been linked to use of ibuprofen, an over-the-counter NSAID, according to a new report.

Membranous nephropathy, a kidney disease resulting in loss of plasma protein and water retention, has previously been linked to the use of prescription non-steroidal anti-inflammatory drugs (NSAIDs).

"It's an unusual kidney disorder that most often occurs for unknown reasons," said senior study author Dr. James T. McCarthy, a professor of internal medicine and nephrology at the Mayo Graduate School of Medicine in Rochester, Minnesota. "It can cause people to have a lot of swelling and fluid retention, primarily in the legs, and it is due to the fact that the kidney is losing a lot of protein into the urine."

In a study of 125 patients with membranous nephropathy, 10 developed the condition because they were taking prescription NSAIDs, such as diclofenac, fenoprofen, nabumetone, naproxen and tolmetin. But three of the people were taking ibuprofen, an over-the-counter painkiller, according to a report in this week's Journal of the American Medical Association.

In all cases, once the drugs were discontinued, kidney function returned to normal.

The patients ranged in age from 36 to 68 years, and had been taking the painkillers regularly for between four weeks and three years. Those taking ibuprofen consumed 1200 milligrams or less of the drug every day for between one and nine months.

"The people that were using them were probably using them at least every other day, one or two pills, and they may have used them for only a few weeks or more than a year of regular use," McCarthy said. "It's entirely unpredictable, but the other important thing to know is that these medications are used by tens of millions of people every day in our county, but these [problems] occur very rarely."

There are about 30 to 50 cases of membranous nephropathy a year reported at the Mayo Clinic, he said. The study included 125 cases that occurred between 1975 and 1995.

"One of the reasons we reported this is we are concerned that maybe 10% to 20% of those cases could be related to the use of NSAIDs," McCarthy concluded.

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I also found this:

Points to Remember

Points to Remember
*Your kidneys are vital organs that keep your blood clean and chemically balanced.

*The progression of kidney disease can be slowed, but it cannot always be reversed.

*End-stage renal disease (ESRD) is the total loss of kidney function.

*Dialysis and transplantation can extend the lives of people with ESRD.

*Diabetes and high blood pressure are the two leading causes of kidney failure.

*You should see a nephrologist regularly if you have renal disease.

*Chronic kidney disease (CKD) increases the risk of heart attacks and strokes.

****If you are in the early stages of renal disease, you may be able to save your remaining renal function for many years by:


controlling your blood glucose
controlling your blood pressure
following a low-protein diet
maintaining healthy levels of cholesterol in your blood
taking an ACE inhibitor or an ARB
quitting smoking

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Jaim - Click on this link hon

http://kidney.niddk.nih.gov/kudiseas...neys/index.htm

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Jaim, how old are you? Just wondering.

BabsieGirl

If I'm not mistaking...I believe she's only 16.

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Jaim, I would definately see a sports Dr or nephrologist about this! I have high Creatinine and BUN. Everyone who works out usually has a higher level. I work in an ER and had my blood checked while I was there one day. The ER doc freaked out over my results but there was also an Ortho Doc on call there that happens to be a bodybuilder also. He said it was nothing to worry about, that it's usually a combination of dehydration and lifting. Just something to think about. I don't think that much protein would hurt you in any way and most docs not versed in BB or sports don't understand these things.

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Well put Rock

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Thanks Babs!

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bandaidwoman

what exactly was your BUN and Creatinine?

Was there protein in the urine and did they do a 24 creatinine clearance and protein (this rules out false positive elevations in BUN and creatinine due to the above mentioned factors as well as nephrotic syndrome.)

Also, are you taking alot of chromium containing products? Lots of cases of interstitial nephritis associated with this supplement and it can come in alot of BB supplements.


That amount of protein ingestion should not be problematic in a young healthy person as everyone has mentioned.


By the way, does polycystic kidneys run in your family?


If you are a teenager, a very common cause of acute glomerulonephritis and high BUN/creatine is strep nephritis. Did you have a recent strep throat or a recent upper respiratory infection, and if you did, did they check an ASO (antisteptolysin antibody) titer?

http://www.ehendrick.com/healthy/000961.htm#Diagnosis

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As bandaidwoman alluded to, those tests are very important to try and pinpoint exactly where the problem is stemming from.

Also..like she said...it is extemely rare that high protein intake leads to kidney problems....the only time it is an issue is if there is a pre-existing condition...in that case, the symptoms of that condition may become more pronounced with a higher protein diet.

I would keep the protein under control till you resolve this problem....please post your test results as bandaidwoman asked (if you feel comfortable posting them here)...it will give us better insight as to what is going on...but of course do what your Dr reccomends!

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jaim91

I'm here and OK. I have to do bloodwork every week now. It's still higher than a normal person's would be - but decent for my history. I do have a history (not in my family, just me) of constant dehydrated due to a salt intolerance. My sodium can get high (in the 160s) really quickly. This makes me a little more prone to kidney failure as there is rarely enough fluid in me to keep me hydrated no matter how much I drink. My dr isn't a nutritionist, so he didn't reccomend a daily protein intake. Rock has it...all they said was that I am lifting too much, and taking too much protein without drinking (adequately...I didn't purposely dehydrate myself). There is no history of this in my family. I looked it up on the internet, and couldn't find it because it's not a disease (BUT I APPRECITE EVERYTHING YOU DID BABS!!!). It's just an excess of urea (waste) due to too much protein and amino acids floating around in my little body.

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