Any physical way of telling if your actually burning fat

bludevil · 04-21-2004, 11:23 AM

Just wondering with all these fat mobilizing products such as MM4, Ergolean MC, all transdermal Avant products, if their was anyway of telling besides the mirror and tape measure if your actively losing fat. More specifically, if were mobilizing or burning fat would we excrete the fat. If so, would our feces be harder, softer, larger etc.....

Lifta4Life · 04-23-2004, 08:55 AM

Are you serious?

Spitfire · 04-23-2004, 09:08 AM

Ok, If you really dont know I will answer, Burning fat means just that, your body is really burning, useing it as energy, there for there is no fat being excreted though your feces, nor you pours, nor does it turn into muscle.

bludevil · 04-26-2004, 02:46 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Lifta4Life
Are you serious?

If you don't know the answer then please don't reply because you only make yourself look ignorant.
It is known that fat is excreted through the body (known as fecal fat) and their have been medical studies that some supplements (especially CLA) may increase the amount of fecal fat that is released. I've read in many studies that when fecal fat is being excreted that it's more on the greasy and smelly side (I know gross) but true. So please don't start trying to flame me boys when you have no idea.

Links to articles about fecal fat
http://www.cla-weight-fat-loss.com/cla_benefits.htm
http://www.healthatoz.com/healthatoz..._fat_test.html
http://www.obesityresearch.org/cgi/content/full/9/6/364

OceanDude · 04-26-2004, 03:03 PM

I would imagine that there would be ketosis byproducts that any ketosis urine strip could detect. These can be picked up in GNC or at your Pharmacy. The problem I have found is that the fat burn only seems to be at high enough levels at certain times of the day to be detected positively.
We also probably have no way of effectively measuring "potential" fat burn that occurred when we had adipose tissue actually broken down and available in a form to burn/oxidized but activity was not high enough to use it and it reconverted back...

-OD

bludevil · 04-26-2004, 03:06 PM

Thanks OD, haven't thought about using the ketosis urine strips.

OceanDude · 04-26-2004, 03:13 PM

No problem bludevil. I was actually trying to conceptualize a device I could make and market that would give a very reliable indication as to if the body was in a catabolic or anabolic state at any moment of the day. The only problem was figuring out the human bio interface that would not be invasive and be something less severe than sticking a wire or sensor up a persons belly button or butt. Great idea until I get to that part of he problem...

-OD

bludevil · 04-26-2004, 03:38 PM

So, do you want me to submit my resume to you know or after you invent the product so I too, can profit from your brilliant idea

I'd make a great CFO.

DrChiro · 04-26-2004, 03:59 PM

the ketone strips will only show a change if you are in ketosis and producing ketone bodies...this comes from an incomplete breakdown of fat seen on atkins type diets. Regular fat metabolism shouldnt show a change on these strips.

Indirectly you can take your body temperature when you first wake up...if it increases and stays eleveated consistently it is likely that you have increased your metabolic rate and are thus burning more calories.

Specifically fat....I dont know of any way to tell other than have your BF measured consistently to be sure that your lean mass is staying constant and your BF% is dropping.

DrChiro · 04-26-2004, 04:01 PM

The fecal fat idea is interesting but it can show up for a variety of reasons so I don't think it would be a good indicator.

It usually means mal-absorption of fat like with people taking Xenical....they end up having fatty stools or leaky ass syndrome.

Fit Freak · 04-26-2004, 04:01 PM

My answer to this is simple...NO.

Ketone strips test for ketosis which you will only be in if your carbs are very very low and you're metabolizing protein and fat for energy...as mentioned above.

JLB001 · 04-26-2004, 04:02 PM

is that meaning if your pooh floats its full of fat?

Sorry....I just HAD too!

DrChiro · 04-26-2004, 04:10 PM

actually yes baby...if you have a "floater" it usually means there is a high fat content to your pooh...sometimes it can be due to other reasons as well...but as a rule of thumb...fat poop floats

everybody make sure to look to see if your pooh is floating!

OceanDude · 04-26-2004, 04:32 PM

Hmm, not sure all this poop flushes...

OD

LAM · 04-26-2004, 08:11 PM

I also thought that floaters meant that your getting sufficient fiber ?

04-21-2004, 11:23 AM	#1
bludevil To God be the Glory Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: WeightRoom Posts: 1,518 Photos: 25	Any physical way of telling if your actually burning fat Just wondering with all these fat mobilizing products such as MM4, Ergolean MC, all transdermal Avant products, if their was anyway of telling besides the mirror and tape measure if your actively losing fat. More specifically, if were mobilizing or burning fat would we excrete the fat. If so, would our feces be harder, softer, larger etc.....

04-23-2004, 08:55 AM	#2
Lifta4Life Registered User Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 4	Are you serious?
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04-23-2004, 09:08 AM	#3
Spitfire Im hungry Elite Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: South Florida Posts: 2,778 Photos: 2	Ok, If you really dont know I will answer, Burning fat means just that, your body is really burning, useing it as energy, there for there is no fat being excreted though your feces, nor you pours, nor does it turn into muscle.
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04-26-2004, 03:03 PM	#5
OceanDude Well Read Elite Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Cape Canaveral, FL Posts: 1,853	I would imagine that there would be ketosis byproducts that any ketosis urine strip could detect. These can be picked up in GNC or at your Pharmacy. The problem I have found is that the fat burn only seems to be at high enough levels at certain times of the day to be detected positively. We also probably have no way of effectively measuring "potential" fat burn that occurred when we had adipose tissue actually broken down and available in a form to burn/oxidized but activity was not high enough to use it and it reconverted back... -OD
	"Doc, If I had known I was going to live this long I would have taken better care of myself..." Est unusquisque faber ipsae suae fortunae. We Americans scoff at the likes of African witch doctors yet spend 100's of millions of dollars on fake reducing systems. The only regular exercise he gets is stretching the truth. His intellect is not replenished, he is only an animal, only sensible in the duller parts...

04-26-2004, 03:13 PM	#7
OceanDude Well Read Elite Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Cape Canaveral, FL Posts: 1,853	No problem bludevil. I was actually trying to conceptualize a device I could make and market that would give a very reliable indication as to if the body was in a catabolic or anabolic state at any moment of the day. The only problem was figuring out the human bio interface that would not be invasive and be something less severe than sticking a wire or sensor up a persons belly button or butt. Great idea until I get to that part of he problem... -OD
	"Doc, If I had known I was going to live this long I would have taken better care of myself..." Est unusquisque faber ipsae suae fortunae. We Americans scoff at the likes of African witch doctors yet spend 100's of millions of dollars on fake reducing systems. The only regular exercise he gets is stretching the truth. His intellect is not replenished, he is only an animal, only sensible in the duller parts...

04-26-2004, 03:06 PM	#6
bludevil To God be the Glory Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: WeightRoom Posts: 1,518 Photos: 25	Thanks OD, haven't thought about using the ketosis urine strips.

04-26-2004, 03:38 PM	#8
bludevil To God be the Glory Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: WeightRoom Posts: 1,518 Photos: 25	So, do you want me to submit my resume to you know or after you invent the product so I too, can profit from your brilliant idea I'd make a great CFO.

04-26-2004, 03:59 PM	#9
DrChiro addicted to the crack Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: houston, tx Posts: 798	the ketone strips will only show a change if you are in ketosis and producing ketone bodies...this comes from an incomplete breakdown of fat seen on atkins type diets. Regular fat metabolism shouldnt show a change on these strips. Indirectly you can take your body temperature when you first wake up...if it increases and stays eleveated consistently it is likely that you have increased your metabolic rate and are thus burning more calories. Specifically fat....I dont know of any way to tell other than have your BF measured consistently to be sure that your lean mass is staying constant and your BF% is dropping.
	My opinions may have changed, but not the fact that I am right. When one door closes another door opens; but we often look so long and so regretfully upon the closed door that we do not see the ones which open for us.

04-26-2004, 04:01 PM	#10
DrChiro addicted to the crack Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: houston, tx Posts: 798	The fecal fat idea is interesting but it can show up for a variety of reasons so I don't think it would be a good indicator. It usually means mal-absorption of fat like with people taking Xenical....they end up having fatty stools or leaky ass syndrome.
	My opinions may have changed, but not the fact that I am right. When one door closes another door opens; but we often look so long and so regretfully upon the closed door that we do not see the ones which open for us.

04-26-2004, 04:01 PM	#11
Fit Freak Fit Freak Elite Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Halifax Posts: 1,797 Photos: 6	My answer to this is simple...NO. Ketone strips test for ketosis which you will only be in if your carbs are very very low and you're metabolizing protein and fat for energy...as mentioned above.
	Searching for the right balance...

04-26-2004, 04:02 PM	#12
JLB001 I see YOU!! Elite Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Houston Posts: 8,293 Photos: 5	is that meaning if your pooh floats its full of fat? Sorry....I just HAD too!
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04-26-2004, 04:10 PM	#13
DrChiro addicted to the crack Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: houston, tx Posts: 798	actually yes baby...if you have a "floater" it usually means there is a high fat content to your pooh...sometimes it can be due to other reasons as well...but as a rule of thumb...fat poop floats everybody make sure to look to see if your pooh is floating!
	My opinions may have changed, but not the fact that I am right. When one door closes another door opens; but we often look so long and so regretfully upon the closed door that we do not see the ones which open for us.

04-26-2004, 04:32 PM	#14
OceanDude Well Read Elite Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Cape Canaveral, FL Posts: 1,853	Hmm, not sure all this poop flushes... OD
	"Doc, If I had known I was going to live this long I would have taken better care of myself..." Est unusquisque faber ipsae suae fortunae. We Americans scoff at the likes of African witch doctors yet spend 100's of millions of dollars on fake reducing systems. The only regular exercise he gets is stretching the truth. His intellect is not replenished, he is only an animal, only sensible in the duller parts...

04-26-2004, 08:11 PM	#15
LAM Gym ratt/Part-time pimp Join Date: May 2002 Location: Las Vegas, NV Posts: 7,384 Photos: 2	I also thought that floaters meant that your getting sufficient fiber ?
	Dumbest statement made in the Anabolic Zone for Nov TBD ----------------------------------------------------- What you talking about Willis ?

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