oaktownboy

i can't sleep at all now..maybe 2-3 hours/night..i relly need those probiotics

Chuck Norris once lost his keys and couldn't remember where he put them. So he tortured himself for half an hour until he gave up their location.

hardasnails1973

still not there yet ?

oaktownboy

they got here this morning..one is a pill, the other is a powder i dissolve in water..

It's called Rejuvi-Flora outta Kent,WA

Repleniss,a synbiotic providing 7 nitrogen packed doses each containing 55-60 billion microorganisms(this is the powder.)

Fortefy is a probiotic with 45 capsules per bottle. Each capsule has 18-20 billion microorganisms.

Chuck Norris once lost his keys and couldn't remember where he put them. So he tortured himself for half an hour until he gave up their location.

oaktownboy

i haven't had a bowel movement in 4 days

Chuck Norris once lost his keys and couldn't remember where he put them. So he tortured himself for half an hour until he gave up their location.

hardasnails1973

ugh .. call the plumber LOL start using 1/4 tsp sea salt lemon a couple times a day

P-funk

what does the Dr. say oak?? Do you just have one Doc that you go to? Or do you keep changin it around? Are they doing anything for you?

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oaktownboy

yeh i couldn't get the probiotics without the doc ordering them..u can't pick these up from a retail store..a doctor has to order them...

we have it narrowed down to GI problems..i already said the parasites i have in my intestines which hopefully the probiotics will kill off..all the red marks are spreading all over my body now

Chuck Norris once lost his keys and couldn't remember where he put them. So he tortured himself for half an hour until he gave up their location.

P-funk

but, do they give you a time line or anything? Like can they tell you "well, we try this for x amount of weeks and then we go with something else?"

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hardasnails1973

redmarks = hives means allergic reaction to some thing you are eating...you start out slowly with probiotics because they can twist your stomach. I wonder hat make these so different from the rest. healthy trinity makes 30 billion per capusule. So you many billion are you taking. 1 foud one quart homemade kefir makes about a few trillion live organisms. I will get you the link

Furthermore, freshly made kefir can have an average microbial count as high as 10 billion cfu/ml. This includes a mixture of various bacteria and yeast strains. This means that a 500 ml glass of homemade kefir could contain as many as 5 trillion beneficial microorganisms or even more!

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http://www.healingcrow.com/ferfun/co...onspiracy.html

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is hardasnails your Doc?

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hardasnails1973

No but medical drs are unaware and majority do not believe in this kind of stuff all they want to do is stick you on paxil and think its all in your head. The parasite he has will cause major constipation, but I do agree with you it has taken him a few drs to find out to run specific tests. Way back in the beginning of his post some one did mention parasite, but to get drs to test for it is rare and also its like russian roulette some times it takes 10 or more sample to find them because they hide. Most likely reason he may not be able to go is becuase the parasites changes the acid enviroment inside to alkaline and when system is alkaline in the intestines your bowels WILL NOT MOVE. Plus parsites start to breed 5-7 days before the full moon and then they hatch on the full moon so symptoms run in a cyclic pattern. I am expereincing same thing a week before full moon I get worse. And drs could not figure out why I go better and then got worse, The chinese dr he went to and also the alternative person, now a MD agree the same thing it is in his gut and he now has proof. Now they just have to rebalance his intestinal flora not just from the parasites but from all ofthe other antibotics they pumped him full off that destroyed them even more, plus also the emotional stress with reduce the numbers. A study was conducted and a person who flys constanty will have a lower reduce number of good bacteria for a few days after wards then they will return to normal. Any kind of stress affects your balance in your Gut. Ever think why we get sick is out immune system is low , gut is where 90% of immune system lies. So you can see why we get sick from stress..

Basiaclly its what came first adrenals or the parasite that we will never know. but basically the parasites give off posions that cause irritation to your intestinal track as well as over burden liver which clogs up liver and body can not detox its own toxins. If you liver can not detox this will offset your hormone levels because the liver is where you get rid of your inactive testestones, thyroid and adrenals hormones. Instead of getting rid of them they recirulate back into your blood stream attach to your own receptors and block new formed hormones. This is commonly seen with people with reverse t-3 syndrome AKA wilson disease. When liver becomes over burden it speeds up the adrenals to eventually they burn out and then the thyroid trie to back it up and then that gives out. As you can see its a nasty event and can be emotional and physically damaging.

oaktownboy

no..i don't think there are any other options left..i wish i knew how long it will take before i start to feel better on them

Chuck Norris once lost his keys and couldn't remember where he put them. So he tortured himself for half an hour until he gave up their location.

hardasnails1973

i just ordered custom probiotics from cali .Each serving is 400 billion per/gram. Specially formulated to 80% bifidolfolus to 20% acidipholis. Should last me 4 months. I spoke to the owner and he told me that you have over 100 trillion bacteria in the gut good and bad. A few billion here and there where not going to do anything you got to flood it. Even taking 2 servings a day i will get close to almost a trillion so with in 3 months I can have populated close to what the maxium is. He suggested several different options to help constipation. He is not a medical dr but is a very well respected biochemist.

These are things he mentioned that may help parasitic infections dealing with constipation
1. 2 cloves of garlic chopped on a spoon 3 times a day
2. upping fiber with use of ground flaxseeds 1 TBSP 3 times a day in warm water
3. herbal laxatives - triphala, turkey rhurburb
4. Aloe vera juice cold pressed 1 once 2-3 times day
5 oil of orgenano 10-20 drops in flaxseed oil to reduce burining of the mouth

hope this helps

oaktownboy

thx

Chuck Norris once lost his keys and couldn't remember where he put them. So he tortured himself for half an hour until he gave up their location.

oaktownboy

what site did u get that off of? i am takin in 100 billion/day

Chuck Norris once lost his keys and couldn't remember where he put them. So he tortured himself for half an hour until he gave up their location.

hardasnails1973

http://www.customprobiotics.com/pricing.htm

remember this last for approximately 4 months !!

oaktownboy

well what's a good dosage for us? how much is too much

Chuck Norris once lost his keys and couldn't remember where he put them. So he tortured himself for half an hour until he gave up their location.

hardasnails1973

Every one is different. What happened to us was not an over night process but rather probably years of stress and possible hidden food allergies, antibiotic usage all creates an imbalace in our guts and lowers our immune system to any kind of an infection. I was allergic to milk and never ate yogurt to replenish what I was lossing. My blood test were telling me this long ago because of low normal white blood cell counts , low platelets. Normally our bodys would have been able to fight it off but with already weaken immune system we never got rid of it and it just lingered and did even more damage and drs could not identify what to do. And here we are today ..Once we get balanced immune system with probotics will be stronger and fighting off infections, digstions will improve, nutrient absorptio, liver will take less burden and hormones will rebalance. Another thing you are not aware of is there may be mitochonrial imbalance at cellular level from the toxins interfering with the cellular energy functions. Even though the minerals are there does not mean that they are doing there job becuase toxins could be blocking that. Once I started cellular repair I did notice alot more energy more mental sharpness and alot better sleeping. Once you rebalance your gut this will take burden off liver and also kidney ...this may explain why your urine is dark becuae kidneys are dealing with over load from the gut and the liver.

oaktownboy

what dou mean started cellular repair? what kind of supplements u taking for that?

Chuck Norris once lost his keys and couldn't remember where he put them. So he tortured himself for half an hour until he gave up their location.

hardasnails1973

book I have is based on chronic fatique and if mentions about how bacterial over growth can cause oxidative stress clogging the cellular energy resulting in sluggish metabolism and inability to detox. malic acid, potassium /magnesium asparate, creatine, and many others help to fuel the mitochondria. Call and ask dr if you are not getting results if you could double the doage in a week. Since you do not have any other bacterial over growth lactulose prescriptive may should feed the good bacteria, and will help to detox liver because it will take stress off if it if you are producing ammonia. If FOS is in you probiotic then lactulose is not needed. I just got my stuff today and i have been really upping the dosage from what I have been taking and stool are getting more solid not like oatmeal, so this is really a good sign and I am only at 120 billion and have not even hit the big stuff !! For our situation we need more bifidi vs acidolpholis. Colon is more like 80% bifidi vs 20% acidolpholis. Off to gym It just the parasites in the way now and then taking probiotics will raise you sIga and an food allergy you have will be taken care of and immune ssytem will be rebuilt.

oaktownboy

that probiotic is 40 bucks, and one capsule is only 25 billion with 90 capsules

so since i take 100 billion/day of current probiotic i would need 4 caps/day just to match my current dose...and that would only last 25 days..so if i tried to get it into trillion that's just a week right? shit is expensive

Chuck Norris once lost his keys and couldn't remember where he put them. So he tortured himself for half an hour until he gave up their location.

hardasnails1973

Justin scientific studys I have been reading are any where from a few days to 2 weeks depending on how low you are. This morning I have a some what normal looking one for first time in almost a year. Every persons blue print is different meaning it person depended. But usually time is around a good 5 days then you will notice something.

Going to start loading creatine today 20 grams with out the sugar...
justin i would NOT use creatine because as a precaution of your dark urine. try drinking more water see if that helps. do not use creatine untill your urine is not dark and may want to consult dr before as well. With all shit going on in your gut i know your liver and kidneys are overburden and do not want to add more stress to them

oaktownboy

made the order..will be here by Wednesday..

Chuck Norris once lost his keys and couldn't remember where he put them. So he tortured himself for half an hour until he gave up their location.

hardasnails1973

what did the indian guy suggest ? and what did he have to say ? Since you have clinical test to back it up it should be handled more professional medically. Drs just leave us hanging when the solutioin is very simple and does not take a rocket scientist to figure it out !! when all of the evidence is there in front of them. Now you have a CLINICAL DIAGNOSIS "intestinal dybiosis"

oaktownboy

prolly the same shit he recommended for u..told me to get that book 2..

Chuck Norris once lost his keys and couldn't remember where he put them. So he tortured himself for half an hour until he gave up their location.

hardasnails1973

I am not screwing around with this either Dr prescribe me lactulose to help feed he good bacteria.

Prebiotic Effect


What are prebiotics?
What is a person’s intestinal flora?
What are beneficial bacteria in the intestinal flora?
What is lactulose?
What are the effects of lactulose?
Potential areas of use of lactulose
What about the side effects of lactulose?



What are prebiotics?
Unlike probiotics, which are living microorganisms, prebiotics are indigestible carbohydrates. These prebiotics stimulate the growth and activity of beneficial bacteria of the intestinal flora. Lactulose is one of the best-studied of the unabsorbable carbohydrates. Lactulose is therefore a prebiotic.

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What is a person’s intestinal flora?
The intestine of an adult human contains approximately 1014 bacteria of more than 400 different species and sub-species, which together weigh between 1 - 1.5 kg.



Because bacteria are single-cell organisms and can carry out all essential metabolic activities themselves, the complete intestinal flora can be considered an enormous and complex metabolic organ for the human body. As a result, this "organism" affects our health and well-being.

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What are beneficial bacteria in the intestinal flora?
In the large intestine, we can differentiate between beneficial bacteria such as bifidobacteria and lactobacillus and possible pathogenic bacteria such as E. coli, salmonella and clostridium. The latter cannot use lactulose. If one stimulates the growth of beneficial bacteria using lactulose, they can therefore displace the possible pathogens.

Other important functions of a healthy intestinal flora are:

Growth inhibition of possible pathogenic bacteria
Positive influence on the activity of the immune system
Recovery of the intestinal flora after treatment with antibiotics
Production of digestive enzymes
Inhibition of viruses (e. g., rota viruses)
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What is lactulose?
Lactulose is a synthetic carbohydrate with a prebiotic effect that is made up of the natural sugars fructose and galactose.

Lactulose is the ideal nutrient for the beneficial germs bifidobacteria and lactobacillus. In this way, it serves to stabilise and restore our physiological flora of the intestine.

Prebiotics occur naturally in plants such as garlic, asparagus, and onions but also in yoghurt and milk.

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What are the effects of lactulose?
In addition to the prebiotic effect, in other words the stabilisation of the physiological intestinal flora, lactulose also helps in the treatment of constipation (medical term: obstipation). Before lactulose is used by the intestinal bacteria, it has in fact an osmotic effect. This means it draws water into the intestinal lumen, thereby increasing the mass of the stool. This in turn has a stimulating effect on the intestinal musculature and stimulates the bowel movement.

You will find more detailed information on how lactulose works in the treatment of constipation here Duphalac® optimal for digestion. Lactulose is moreover the preferred choice for gentle detoxification in the case of liver diseases.

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Potential areas of use of lactulose
Lactulose can help in the treatment of inflammatory intestinal diseases and prevent the emergence of gallstones as well as intestinal infections. Initial evidence of this already exists. Subsequent studies still have to be carried out, however. The same applies for the assumption that lactulose could prevent the emergence of colon cancer.

There are also indications that lactulose has a positive effect on atopy. Atopy is an inherited condition in which the skin or mucous membranes react hypersensitively to various substances in the environment. Along with other factors, problems with the intestinal flora have been linked to atopy. A test on newborn babies showed that the risk of atopy was reduced when certain bacteria were administered. These bacteria belong to a strain of lactobacillus; in other words, a strain of bacteria whose growth rate is stimulated by lactulose.

The results of studies provide encouraging evidence to support the assumption that simply administering lactulose will positively influence the intestinal flora balance. Further studies need to be carried out in order to show the precise links to immune system processes.

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What about the side effects of lactulose?
In the correct dosage, prebiotics usually cause very few side effects. Lactulose is therefore also suitable in the treatment of children in low doses.

The particular advantages of the preparation Duphalac® (Lactulose) are:

Gentle and reliable regulation of the bowels
Easy to take
Also suitable for children and pregnant women
Non-addictive, no misuse
No strain on the kidneys
No strain on the coronary circulatory system
No gene-toxicity and mutagenity
No destruction of natural intestinal flora
Suitable for long-term use