Hepatitus C

min0 lee · 07-06-2005, 06:21 PM

What are some supplements a person should avoid if they are infected with Hep C.

I'm not sure which forum to post this in, the Health or supplement forum?

bandaidwoman · 07-07-2005, 06:27 AM

Here is a list to avoid if you have chronic active hepatitis C, add to that list Kava Kava since it has been associated with fulminant liver failure (not sure if still available over the counter because of this) http://www.hepccouncilsa.asn.au/herbs.html

http://liverdisease.com/herbs.html

david · 07-07-2005, 03:53 PM

Very interesting.... Pam Anderson and Elder Judd was diagnosed with Hep C.
I saw that Ma Huang was on that Toxic herb list. Would this also be common as well to the Hep A & B?

min0 lee · 07-07-2005, 07:05 PM

Thanks BandAidwoman for the info, but maybe I misread something here. The first site says that green tea is good for you but the second one claims that "Green tea leaf" is toxic. Are they not the same?

The Monkey Man · 07-07-2005, 07:15 PM

min0 lee · 07-07-2005, 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by The Monkey Man

Which post buddy?

The Monkey Man · 07-07-2005, 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by min0 lee

Which post buddy?

All

min0 lee · 07-07-2005, 07:41 PM

I asked what supps to avoid if one has Hep C. and the B.A.W. said..........oh go read the damn thing.

The Monkey Man · 07-07-2005, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by min0 lee

I asked what supps to avoid if one has Hep C. and the B.A.W. said..........oh go read the damn thing.

= I have no freakin idea...

bandaidwoman · 07-08-2005, 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by min0 lee

Thanks BandAidwoman for the info, but maybe I misread something here. The first site says that green tea is good for you but the second one claims that "Green tea leaf" is toxic. Are they not the same?

Don't worry, there is enough data that shows it is not liver toxic, in fact, it seems protective against alcoholic liver disease. (I did an extensive search on medline and medscape. ) I don't know where he got that except it may be a typo. I looked at his other ingrediants on the list and ran that up against med- line so he is spot on with everything else. That was a good pickup by you!

bandaidwoman · 07-08-2005, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by david

Very interesting.... Pam Anderson and Elder Judd was diagnosed with Hep C.
I saw that Ma Huang was on that Toxic herb list. Would this also be common as well to the Hep A & B?

It only affects you if you have chronic active viral hepatitis (in other words, active inflammatory damage to your liver caused by the virus.) 50% of people who have been exposed to hepatitis C develop chronic ongoing active hepatitis in contrast to 5% of hepatitis B exposed people. People exposed to Hep A may die immediatly but when recovered, they will not ever develop chronic active hepatitis. Thus, if you are the 5% of Hep B exposed people who developed chronic active hepatitis and the 50% that developed chronic hepatitis C, you should avoid those supplements. Those who have had Hep A and recovered have nothing to worry about.

min0 lee · 07-08-2005, 04:58 PM

Thank you so much.

min0 lee · 07-09-2005, 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by The Monkey Man

All

I guess what your trying to say is why I posted this, well I found out I had Hepatitus C about 4 years ago.
So I just want to make sure I don't harm my liver taking supplements.

I did a search here for Hep. C and really didn't find anything so I figured by posting this it would help those who have it but are ashamed to say they have it.

min0 lee · 06-18-2008, 11:28 AM

Whatever happened to BandAidwoman?
She was so nice.

min0 lee · 06-18-2008, 11:34 AM

Well I finally went to see a doctor about this and they did both a biopsy and sonogram on my liver.
They used a needle for the liver biopsy to take out a small sample, it looked like a tiny worm. It stung a bit but not too bad.

bandaidwoman · 06-18-2008, 01:27 PM

Still here mino. I assume they determined you have chronic active hep c and are staging its damage to your kidneys and or deciding if you will respond to interferon, ribivarin? Do you happen to know the genotype of the hep C?

min0 lee · 06-18-2008, 02:22 PM

The doctor will let me know if I need medication and he's done with the results.
He was telling the reaction to these medications can be pretty bad, he's telling me if my condition is not serious I can do without it.

I'll ask what type of Genotype of hep C I have.

The nurse doing the Sonogram told me the size of my liver was normal.

Good to see your still here.

bandaidwoman · 06-18-2008, 03:06 PM

knowing the genotype lets us know if it is likely to respond to interferon

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[HCV genotype
The most important baseline predictor for response to antiviral combination therapy with interferon-alpha and ribavirin is HCV genotype. HCV genotype 1 has been shown to be associated with lower rates of sustained virologic response compared with genotypes other than 1 by logistic regression analysis.68, 28, 3032 An HCV genotype other than 1 independently and significantly increases the odds of achieving sustained virologic response with odds ratios of 3.25 and 5.4 in different trials on combination therapy of peginterferon-alpha-2a plus ribavirin.6, 7 Rates of sustained virologic response after treatment with peginterferon-alpha plus ribavirin for 48 weeks range from 41 to 52% in patients with HCV genotype 1 infection (Table 1).68 However, when treated with the same combination therapy regimen for 24 to 48 weeks, patients infected with HCV genotype 2 or 3 achieve sustained virologic response rates of 76-84% (Table 1). 68, 33 Furthermore, it has been shown that a shorter treatment duration of 24 weeks compared with 48 weeks does not impair sustained virologic response rates in patients with HCV genotype 2 or 3 infection.7, 30, 31, 33 In this patient group treatment with peginterferon-alpha-2a or 2b plus ribavirin for 24 weeks results in sustained virologic response rates of 81-84% as compared with sustained virologic response rates of 76-82% for treatment with peginterferon-alpha-2a or 2b plus ribavirin for 48 weeks.68, 33 In patients with HCV genotype 2 or 3 infection, flat doses of 800 mg ribavirin daily in combination with peginterferon-alpha-2a are proven to be sufficient (Table 1).7 For the use of pegylated interferon-alpha-2b, however only data with weight-based dosing are currently available.33

These data lead to different treatment recommendations for patients infected with HCV genotype 1 and patients infected with HCV genotypes 2 or 3 (see below). The reasons for the different virologic response rates in different HCV genotypes are complex and not yet fully understood. Viral kinetic analyses suggest that during interferon-alpha-based therapy, clearance of infected hepatocytes is slower and antiviral efficacy is reduced in patients infected with HCV genotype 1 compared with infections with other HCV genotypes.38, 39

Review article: predicting response in hepatitis C virus therapy

I also meant to say liver instead of kidneys in the above first post i made, tired post call.....

min0 lee · 06-18-2008, 03:45 PM

I'll ask the doctor for sure, he might even be suprised I would ask such a question. I knew about Hep A,B,C but never knew about the HCV genotypes.

I wonder if he can tell how long I've had this for, this way I can pinpoint how I got this. Hopefully he can find out.

Are you a Doctor?

bandaidwoman · 06-18-2008, 07:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by min0 lee

I'll ask the doctor for sure, he might even be suprised I would ask such a question. I knew about Hep A,B,C but never knew about the HCV genotypes.

I wonder if he can tell how long I've had this for, this way I can pinpoint how I got this. Hopefully he can find out.

Are you a Doctor?

Yes, associate prof of clinical medicine in internal medicine.

I come to these and other forums to learn what my athletes are into. It really helps my treatment knowing what supplements you guys are doing. Most of the time ,people are afraid to tell their doctor what is going on. I have to bring it up in the history. As for how long you have had this, sometimes the liver pathology can show that , but sometimes not.

min0 lee · 06-19-2008, 03:20 AM

Thanks for the info.

DaMayor · 06-19-2008, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by min0 lee

Thanks for the info.

I agree....while there are many great minds here, it is great to have a Doc on board.

And from Atlanta too!

Hey Y'all!

DaMayor · 06-19-2008, 02:20 PM

Apparently, the percentages aren't exactly what I thought they were in regards to healthcare workers, et al. unless there is a needle stick or similar event involved. On other words, infection is more closely related to the same set of rules put into play for HIV infection, etc. -there has to be direct contact with blood/bodily fluids.....

Hepatitis C: FAQ | CDC Viral Hepatitis

Of course, I was working in the E.R. and Psych floor when HIV/Aids first hit the media in the mid eighties.....we were all pretty much freaked out and paranoid for a while.

JerseyDevil · 06-20-2008, 07:05 PM

Mino, listen to Bandaidwoman.... she is a doctor for sure, and a damn good one at that!

min0 lee · 06-20-2008, 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by JerseyDevil

Mino, listen to Bandaidwoman.... she is a doctor for sure, and a damn good one at that!

Definitely, when she posts I listen.

KelJu · 06-20-2008, 09:50 PM

Holy shit, I'm sorry to hear this mino. So, bo

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min0 lee I See© Elite Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: The Bronx, NYC Posts: 32,735 Blog Entries: 3 Photos: 542	Well I finally went to see a doctor about this and they did both a biopsy and sonogram on my liver. They used a needle for the liver biopsy to take out a small sample, it looked like a tiny worm. It stung a bit but not too bad.
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david EAST COAST BRAT Elite Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Waterworld, FL Posts: 25,420 Photos: 2	Very interesting.... Pam Anderson and Elder Judd was diagnosed with Hep C. I saw that Ma Huang was on that Toxic herb list. Would this also be common as well to the Hep A & B?

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min0 lee I See© Elite Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: The Bronx, NYC Posts: 32,735 Blog Entries: 3 Photos: 542	Thanks BandAidwoman for the info, but maybe I misread something here. The first site says that green tea is good for you but the second one claims that "Green tea leaf" is toxic. Are they not the same?

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min0 lee I See© Elite Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: The Bronx, NYC Posts: 32,735 Blog Entries: 3 Photos: 542	I asked what supps to avoid if one has Hep C. and the B.A.W. said..........oh go read the damn thing.

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min0 lee I See© Elite Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: The Bronx, NYC Posts: 32,735 Blog Entries: 3 Photos: 542	Thank you so much.

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bandaidwoman inadvertant tree hugger Elite Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Atlanta, Georgia Posts: 601 Photos: 4	Still here mino. I assume they determined you have chronic active hep c and are staging its damage to your kidneys and or deciding if you will respond to interferon, ribivarin? Do you happen to know the genotype of the hep C?
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min0 lee I See© Elite Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: The Bronx, NYC Posts: 32,735 Blog Entries: 3 Photos: 542	The doctor will let me know if I need medication and he's done with the results. He was telling the reaction to these medications can be pretty bad, he's telling me if my condition is not serious I can do without it. I'll ask what type of Genotype of hep C I have. The nurse doing the Sonogram told me the size of my liver was normal. Good to see your still here.
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min0 lee I See© Elite Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: The Bronx, NYC Posts: 32,735 Blog Entries: 3 Photos: 542	I'll ask the doctor for sure, he might even be suprised I would ask such a question. I knew about Hep A,B,C but never knew about the HCV genotypes. I wonder if he can tell how long I've had this for, this way I can pinpoint how I got this. Hopefully he can find out. Are you a Doctor?
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min0 lee I See© Elite Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: The Bronx, NYC Posts: 32,735 Blog Entries: 3 Photos: 542	Thanks for the info.
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DaMayor On a Perpetual Bulk Elite Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: ... Posts: 6,144	Apparently, the percentages aren't exactly what I thought they were in regards to healthcare workers, et al. unless there is a needle stick or similar event involved. On other words, infection is more closely related to the same set of rules put into play for HIV infection, etc. -there has to be direct contact with blood/bodily fluids..... Hepatitis C: FAQ \| CDC Viral Hepatitis Of course, I was working in the E.R. and Psych floor when HIV/Aids first hit the media in the mid eighties.....we were all pretty much freaked out and paranoid for a while.

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