Thread: Joint pain

OK maybe this should have gone into the supplements section, idk. There must be other means to help the pain though.

What does a day of play constitute? Many hours on hard clay or asphalt courts?

Lets ask why you are having this problem rather than looking for a bandaide.

It's probably because you are doing too much. I mean, looking through your journal, you say that you play tennis for about 1.5-2 hours and that is a lot of running and using your legs to get back and forth. Then you hit the gym and have a heavy leg session consisting of squats, deads, sldl's, and so forth. You may feel fine and can get through it but in the long run, your joints are going to ache up and become tight.

If it keeps up any longer, either go see a doctor or just give it some rest and cut down the leg sessions or tennis playing in the future.

My knees somewhat bother me just from throwing cardio into the mix... Moreso if it's on a treadmill, but sometimes even just from a couple 15-20 min sessions of biking/elliptical per week.

Originally Posted by Trouble

What does a day of play constitute? Many hours on hard clay or asphalt courts?

Lets ask why you are having this problem rather than looking for a bandaide.

I probably play between 2-4 hours a week on hard court. I supposed I could possibly look into some new shoes.

Originally Posted by shiznit2169

It's probably because you are doing too much. I mean, looking through your journal, you say that you play tennis for about 1.5-2 hours and that is a lot of running and using your legs to get back and forth. Then you hit the gym and have a heavy leg session consisting of squats, deads, sldl's, and so forth. You may feel fine and can get through it but in the long run, your joints are going to ache up and become tight.

If it keeps up any longer, either go see a doctor or just give it some rest and cut down the leg sessions or tennis playing in the future.

Tennis is alot of running, and in a way it isn't. It mostly short explosive sprints, which I supposed might take a harder toll on the joints than jogging.

Originally Posted by fufu

Tennis is alot of running, and in a way it isn't. It mostly short explosive sprints, which I supposed might take a harder toll on the joints than jogging.

I get he same pains after football practice. My trainer said it's because my joints inflame because of the short explosive burst we do as lineman ( 5-10 yards ). A lot of guys get them. I get them for the first 2-3 weeks then they start to fade. In the meanwhile I usually go and take a dip in the ice-cold whirl-pool.

I do like go to for a swim after playing tennis. Feels good on the joints.

Originally Posted by Seanp156

My knees somewhat bother me just from throwing cardio into the mix... Moreso if it's on a treadmill, but sometimes even just from a couple 15-20 min sessions of biking/elliptical per week.

Well that's strange, since both of these cardio exercises are recommended for patients with knee problems. They are nearly zero impact...unless you are over enthusiastic in your peddling force. Or your leg workouts, take your pick.

Yup, sounds like an over-use problem. Plus, you started a new training program, right? Try new shoes, use the cold showers or ice packs, or refrain from playing for as frequently for the time being.

Try Cissus quadrangularis and glucosamine HCL (not sulfate). I would also recommend turmeric extract, twice per day with meals.

Alright, I thought cissus might be brought up at some point. I'm looking into some new tennis shoes because I am currently wearing classic style which have nearly no shock absorption, but they were alot cheaper than the others.

The tendonitis in my right arm has been disheartening, it tends to come up when I play 2-3 days in a row. It hasn't been bothering me as much since I started play matches instead of just practicing. I'll look into those supplements and see what I can do, thanks.

Okey dokey.

Your shoulder problem is on your dominant side, and its primarily an over use issue with the shoulder girdle. Only way to fix that is to start rotator cuff rehab exercises. There are number of really good sites on the web. I wrote an indepth response elsewhere with links; I'll try to dig it up for you here in the next day or two.

Hips are a related issue, and that a biomechanical torsion and flex problem originating in stance and dictated by the relative strength of columnar support (not locomotion as much as structure stabilization for bipedal motion). These muscles must be brought into balance.

My guess is that knees, hips and shoulders all have slack-normal movement. Gotta tighten them babies to keep sloppy action from causing excessive movment over the contact surfaces and dislocation from causing joint connective tissue damage. See, each of these ball and soket joints has some play. If the joint movement is too generous, you get excess rubbing of the connection surfaces as well as lateral movement in some cases, which stretches that delicate capsule that frames the joint, keeping it aligned. That can develop stress microtears.

You keep them healing by your combined tennis and lifting routine approach.

Thats your bad karma, the slow recovery process for overuse injury at joints.

Pilates or yoga or a combination of strength and stretch moves will help knees and hips, rotator cuff exercises for the shoulders, which are being worked hard in overhand moves, including serves. Very stressful and high impact again.

See where I'm going here? You are working these in the gym, with those push exercises (overheads and bench) and then working them hard during recovery days.

Might have to rethink your goals and options. Tennis is about very fast move, high-G turn, spin, and torque / force moments on joints. At your age, you shouldn't have these problems...unless you are seriously overstressing them by short-circuiting recovery.

Which you are, unwittingly.

Tell your trainer about your problem, our conversation, and ask him for advice on rehab. P-funk has addressed knee rehab here in other threads. Hips are associated with lower spine erector and abdominal stabilizers. Start to look for online resources and pilates / stretch & strength how to books that help with lower back and hips alignment and tightening.

Sound like a plan?

Originally Posted by Trouble

Okey dokey.

Your shoulder problem is on your dominant side, and its primarily an over use issue with the shoulder girdle. Only way to fix that is to start rotator cuff rehab exercises. There are number of really good sites on the web. I wrote an indepth response elsewhere with links; I'll try to dig it up for you here in the next day or two.

Hips are a related issue, and that a biomechanical torsion and flex problem originating in stance and dictated by the relative strength of columnar support (not locomotion as much as structure stabilization for bipedal motion). These muscles must be brought into balance.

My guess is that knees, hips and shoulders all have slack-normal movement. Gotta tighten them babies to keep sloppy action from causing excessive movment over the contact surfaces and dislocation from causing joint connective tissue damage. See, each of these ball and soket joints has some play. If the joint movement is too generous, you get excess rubbing of the connection surfaces as well as lateral movement in some cases, which stretches that delicate capsule that frames the joint, keeping it aligned. That can develop stress microtears.

You keep them healing by your combined tennis and lifting routine approach.

Thats your bad karma, the slow recovery process for overuse injury at joints.

Pilates or yoga or a combination of strength and stretch moves will help knees and hips, rotator cuff exercises for the shoulders, which are being worked hard in overhand moves, including serves. Very stressful and high impact again.

See where I'm going here? You are working these in the gym, with those push exercises (overheads and bench) and then working them hard during recovery days.

Might have to rethink your goals and options. Tennis is about very fast move, high-G turn, spin, and torque / force moments on joints. At your age, you shouldn't have these problems...unless you are seriously overstressing them by short-circuiting recovery.

Which you are, unwittingly.

Tell your trainer about your problem, our conversation, and ask him for advice on rehab. P-funk has addressed knee rehab here in other threads. Hips are associated with lower spine erector and abdominal stabilizers. Start to look for online resources and pilates / stretch & strength how to books that help with lower back and hips alignment and tightening.

Sound like a plan?

Ok thanks for the advice. The thing is, I had the exact same tendonitis problems way before I started weight training. The frequency of pain is still the same now. I can take 6 months off from tennis, then if I play 3 days in a row I'll still get the same pains.

By the way, I don't have a trainer.

I have a feeling the back/hip pain could also be from reaching down and gathering balls, in a sort of ballistic manner. I have to cut that out. I should also start some dynamic stretching pre-playing. I'll probably have to cut tennis way down, but I don't know what else to fill my time with.

Also, I can only find glucosamine chondroitin with sulfate. What is HCL, and where can I find it? How does this product look?

You can buy glucosamine hydrochloride at Wally World.

Get a job or do some volunteer work to fill your day productively.

Washing dishes ftl.

Originally Posted by fufu

I'll probably have to cut tennis way down, but I don't know what else to fill my time with.

Isn't this a no-brainer for a l33t g4m3R

I am seeing correctly here?

A fucking product advertisement in the middle of this thread? Of is that banner that didn't quite make it to the right place in the database? No wait, we already have a banner up top...

Originally Posted by Trouble

I am seeing correctly here?

A fucking product advertisement in the middle of this thread? Of is that banner that didn't quite make it to the right place in the database? No wait, we already have a banner up top...

You're correct, unfortunately .

Originally Posted by Trouble

I am seeing correctly here?

A fucking product advertisement in the middle of this thread? Of is that banner that didn't quite make it to the right place in the database? No wait, we already have a banner up top...

Sad but true.

Originally Posted by Seanp156

Isn't this a no-brainer for a l33t g4m3R

lawl. I do enjoy video games but my life needs more balance. I really do like working if I can find an interesting jorb. I really should go out and apply more. Tommarow I'll do it! Maybe...

Originally Posted by fufu

lawl. I do enjoy video games but my life needs more balance. I really do like working if I can find an interesting jorb. I really should go out and apply more. Tommarow I'll do it! Maybe...

You should beat Elder Scrolls 3. That will take a year or so, especially if you complete every quest.


On a side note, I haven't touched the 360 in a while.

Originally Posted by fufu

lawl. I do enjoy video games but my life needs more balance. I really do like working if I can find an interesting jorb. I really should go out and apply more. Tommarow I'll do it! Maybe...

Work is over-rated, but yes, it is necessary for balance... And money...

Originally Posted by BigDyl

You should beat Elder Scrolls 3. That will take a year or so, especially if you complete every quest.


On a side note, I haven't touched the 360 in a while.

lawl I beat that about 6 months ago. Took me 2 years of on and off play to beat. My guy is leetx2389 on that.

Originally Posted by Seanp156

Work is over-rated, but yes, it is necessary for balance... And money...

mmmm....money.

Originally Posted by fufu

I've been experiencing joint pain in my knees, ankles, shoulders, and hips. It always starts after I play tennis for two or more days in a row. I hate this seeing as I'm 19. I do stretch well after training, but I don't really think it has much to do with stretching. I'm looking into some joint aid supplements. Any suggestions?

Are you overweight? If so, that's probably you're problem. It could also be from overuse of your joints. Weight training and sports are often too much for peoples joints. I can't lift and play softball a lot. Benching then throwing is just too much on my shoulder since hurting it. Definitely make sure to warm up and not to go all out right away. Hopefully that helps.

Btw, the best joint medicine I know of is from Labrada.

Astute observation/comment on the overuse injuries SF.

Would be nice for Fufu to update us on his progress.

Originally Posted by Trouble

Astute observation/comment on the overuse injuries SF.

Would be nice for Fufu to update us on his progress.

I will mention to him that he needs to reply to this thread.