Thread: Vericose Veins

There are present and past Olympia contenders who have it.

Paul Dillet and Gunter Schlierkamp come to mind.

Originally Posted by Mudge

There are present and past Olympia contenders who have it.

Paul Dillet and Gunter Schlierkamp come to mind.

Are they alive?

I thought I had heard or read this somewhere. While I think this is really due to abuse of my legs over the years, from playing soccer to getting kicked by a horse or two, I wasn't ready to fall into the ranks of the old just yet.....oh, and there's that other thing with blood clots and anurisms.

They're caused by weakening in vasoconstriction/flow valving in the return blood flow from the lower extremities that keeps blood moving in one direction. Without this proper action, blood can collect in these superficial (spider) or deeper blood flow paths.

To reduce this damage and to avoid its reoccurence:

1. Avoid prolonged standing or sitting each day, wear support hose if necessary.

2. Maintain daily practice of cardio to condition blood flow efficiency: muscles and arterial/veinous and lymph flow from the extremities.

3. Eat a nutritious, balanced diet rich in vegetables, moderate in fruits, and slow in saturated fats and in the desired ratio of omega 3:omega 6 fats, with plenty of grain and vegetable fiber and probiotic/prebiotic foods.

4. Use vein support supplements: horsechestnut and butchers broom, magnesium citrate, zinc amino acid chelate, and B6 or its active metabolite, P5P, and B12 as methylcobalamin.

5. Hydrate frequently.

6. Each night, before bed, lie on your back facing a wall, and elevate feet (rest them up on the wall with your butt as close to the wall as you get). Using your hands, start below the ankle and with gentle pressure, pull your leg-encircling hands downwards in long smooth stroking motions, forcing blood through the veins back towards your heart. Work towards the tops of your legs, then repeat several times on the same leg. Then to the other leg. You should see a visible reduction in the appearance of these veins. You can do this first thing in the morning as well, if you have time. Total time per session is about 20 min (10 min per leg).

Over time, if you continue this practice, the damage should reverse itself and the veins will be far less noticable, while new damage is avoided.

Originally Posted by DaMayor

Are they alive?

Gunter still competes. He's that crazy tall SOB who smiles from ear to ear.

Originally Posted by Trouble

They're caused by weakening in vasoconstriction/flow valving in the return blood flow from the lower extremities that keeps blood moving in one direction. Without this proper action, blood can collect in these superficial (spider) or deeper blood flow paths.

To reduce this damage and to avoid its reoccurence:

1. Avoid prolonged standing or sitting each day, wear support hose if necessary. Almost impossible, although most of the time I'm on the move back and forth in the ol' kitchen..its like doing the electric slide all day.

2. Maintain daily practice of cardio to condition blood flow efficiency: muscles and arterial/veinous and lymph flow from the extremities.
This I'm working on.

3. Eat a nutritious, balanced diet rich in vegetables, moderate in fruits, and slow in saturated fats and in the desired ratio of omega 3:omega 6 fats, with plenty of grain and vegetable fiber and probiotic/prebiotic foods.
Doing this now, with the exception of grain fiber which has been somewhat limited due to my pseudo-low-carb diet approach

4. Use vein support supplements: horsechestnut and butchers broom, magnesium citrate, zinc amino acid chelate, and B6 or its active metabolite, P5P, and B12 as methylcobalamin.
Okay, you've got me on this one.....marches off to BJ's health food store for spendy hippyshit.

5. Hydrate frequently.
I'm on it doggone it!

6. Each night, before bed, lie on your back facing a wall, and elevate feet (rest them up on the wall with your butt as close to the wall as you get). Using your hands, start below the ankle and with gentle pressure, pull your leg-encircling hands downwards in long smooth stroking motions, forcing blood through the veins back towards your heart. Work towards the tops of your legs, then repeat several times on the same leg. Then to the other leg. You should see a visible reduction in the appearance of these veins. You can do this first thing in the morning as well, if you have time. Total time per session is about 20 min (10 min per leg).
So we're reversing the "pooling" eh? Okay. Question is, can I have someone else do it for me? Maybe mid-day? Maybe I could get my best looking waitress to help me out? Oh, Okay, I didn't say that.

Over time, if you continue this practice, the damage should reverse itself and the veins will be far less noticable, while new damage is avoided.

Do you really feel that this is a reversable condition, or moreso controlable?

Thanks Ms. T

I pitty the fool who disputes ya!

Since the damage to vein valving appears to be a combination of age-related glycation and oxidative damage (highly related conditions) coupled with inactivity and inflammation-inducing dietary factors...

My personal opinion is a semi-authorative "yes", the science appears to suggest that the damage may be (1) reversed in the affected surfical veinous tissue (spider veins) and (2) in the larger channels (varicosities), compensatory growth of alternate flow route may occur where flow blockage and internal channel damage are severe.

Spider vein damage may reoccur in the same tissues if treatment and preventive measures slack off.

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Over the years, I have learned not to participate in one-way (eg, pointless opposition and refutation of fact sans supportive evidence) confrontation; you do not argue with a deaf man. It's wasteful of energy and encourages disrespect by acknowledgement.

Originally Posted by Trouble

Since the damage to vein valving appears to be a combination of age-related glycation and oxidative damage (highly related conditions) coupled with inactivity and inflammation-inducing dietary factors...

My personal opinion is a semi-authorative "yes", the science appears to suggest that the damage may be (1) reversed in the affected surfical veinous tissue (spider veins) and (2) in the larger channels (varicosities), compensatory growth of alternate flow route may occur where flow blockage and internal channel damage are severe.

Spider vein damage may reoccur in the same tissues if treatment and preventive measures slack off.

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I'm a proponent of the Zen approach to living. An open mind is imparative to avoid self deception within our plastic reality. It affords a fluid and flexible views. Tis better to bend with the wind than crack under pressure. I seek to learn from those who cross my path; if I prejudge or ignore questioning of advice, opinion, or logic, then I close off my mind to progressive adaptation and learning. Our teachers come to us in many guises. Serendipity only taps the shoulders of those who pay attention. The listener attends carefully to the words of others and closes off self-serving internal dialog that competes for our perceptual processing capacity.

Over the years, I have learned not to participate in one-way (eg, pointless opposition and refutation of fact sans supportive evidence) confrontation; you do not argue with a deaf man. It's wasteful of energy and encourages disrespect by acknowledgement.

Agreed.

Originally Posted by Trouble

(2) in the larger channels (varicosities), compensatory growth of alternate flow route may occur where flow blockage and internal channel damage are severe.

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Overlooked this....so you are saying that there is a sort of reginerative possibility? Regardless of vein/channel "size"? Hmmm. Hope so. Although I'm sure my doctor will want to perform some sort of pricey procedure for sh#*!s and giggles.

We'll see.

Unless you have pain and discomfort with this varicose vein, why would you see your physician for it? Its a minor issue; if you had many and were older, it might warrant a visit to a specialist for treatment (and there are some recent treatment advances, such as radiotherapy, that are noninvasive and efficient, not not inexpensive).

Originally Posted by Trouble

Unless you have pain and discomfort with this varicose vein, why would you see your physician for it? Um, its gross. Its a minor issue; if you had many and were older, it might warrant a visit to a specialist for treatment (and there are some recent treatment advances, such as radiotherapy, that are noninvasive and efficient, not not inexpensive).

Well, I have recently experienced some pretty painful cramping in the same general area, but these episodes have been few and may be unrelated. Besides, I had to make an appointment to get back in with my doc, who's a younger, stay-with-the-latest-information type, and not conservative in his beliefs/recommendations type of guy......
For the most part I want to get rid of this thing before it gets any worse. In the mean time, I'll do what you mentioned earlier, and we''l see what happens.

Thanks.

Oh, questionaire?

Sent.

Originally Posted by Trouble

I'm a proponent of the Zen approach to living. An open mind is imparative to avoid self deception within our plastic reality. It affords fluid and flexible viewpoints and attitudes. Tis better to bend with the wind than crack under pressure. I seek to learn from those who cross my path; if I prejudge or ignore questioning of advice, opinion, or logic, then I close off my mind to progressive adaptation and learning. Our teachers come to us in many guises. Serendipity only taps the shoulders of those who pay attention. The listener attends carefully to the words of others and closes off self-serving internal dialog that competes for our perceptual processing capacity.

Over the years, I have learned not to participate in one-way (eg, pointless opposition and refutation of fact sans supportive evidence) confrontation; you do not argue with a deaf man. It's wasteful of energy and encourages disrespect by acknowledgement.

Awesome advise even if that's not what you intended!

Thank-you, sir.

Originally Posted by Trouble

Sent.

You sure?