Thread: good doctors

you want a Doctor to perscribe you steroids?

Your chronic knee and shoulder injury problems are caused by overly loose joints with abnormal action within the joint girdles.

No physican can provide you with drugs to correct these problems. They require rehabilitation exercises. P-funk may be willing to point you towards previously posted information on knee and shoulder injury assessment and rehabiliation exercises.

Your low testosterone issue is a separate condition. A physician may evaluate you for potential hypogonadal symptoms and can assess free and bound testosterone. Treatment must be provided under medical supervision. No physican will write you a script for injections or transdermals for athletic performance purposes.

I note that you favor oral steroid analog use. Be advised that its known alter liver function, and this will impact joint health.

what are your injuries?

Originally Posted by Trouble

Your chronic knee and shoulder injury problems are caused by overly loose joints with abnormal action within the joint girdles.

No physican can provide you with drugs to correct these problems. They require rehabilitation exercises. P-funk may be willing to point you towards previously posted information on knee and shoulder injury assessment and rehabiliation exercises.

Your low testosterone issue is a separate condition. A physician may evaluate you for potential hypogonadal symptoms and can assess free and bound testosterone. Treatment must be provided under medical supervision. No physican will write you a script for injections or transdermals for athletic performance purposes.

I note that you favor oral steroid analog use. Be advised that its known alter liver function, and this will impact joint health.

How do you know he has these problems from his initial post?

Originally Posted by P-funk

you want a Doctor to perscribe you steroids?

No, I just asked him if they would help, he wouldn't even discuss them. I went to several orthopedics and they all say there is nothing they can do for me, one ortho asked me if I had ever used steroids and I had not mentioned anything about them to him. Another ortho I went to I did ask again about steroids and his comment was that steroids have been nothing but a disaster, and he could not help me, and then walked out of the medical room. One thing in common all of the orthopedics I have went to is that they only look at the mri and offer nothing else, I feel as though I have been black listed just for mentioning steroids. I have read of other cases where the mri didn't show anything, and upon surgery the doctor found the tears.

maybe I am missing something here....

why are you asking all these orthopedists for steroids? What is the problem? Do you have an injury? I don't understand what your main issue is.

Do you have injuries from steroids and they won't help, or you want steroids from your doc?

My injuries seem to be in my shoulder, i know I have more than one in the same are, i went to a chiropractor and he had me doing walkouts on a thera ball, I wanted to include some more triceps in my routine so i started doing dips, i handled them fine for couple of weeks. I was feeling pretty strong so wanted to see if i could do a press, I went to a sit down machine for presses and i had zero strength in my left shoulder, I got up and walked around, feeling extremely tight in my shoulder i rolled it forward and i felt something stretch and snap. Now i still can not do presses, and even walkouts cuase a lot of pain and swelling around my scapula, holding weight while my arm is hanging at my side as if doing shrugs causes pain in my lowertrap, i think its my lower trap, and i do have some pain in what might be my supraspinatus, also it feels like a tear in my pec somewhere close to the attachment of the humerus.

Originally Posted by P-funk

maybe I am missing something here....

why are you asking all these orthopedists for steroids? What is the problem? Do you have an injury? I don't understand what your main issue is.

I have never asked a ortho for steroids, i asked if they would help my shoulder conditions.

Originally Posted by Dale Mabry

Do you have injuries from steroids and they won't help, or you want steroids from your doc?

My injuries are not from steroids, i beleive they are from the combination of weight lifting and not getting enough calories, hence a breakdown in tissue.
I have i only went on three cycles of prohormones.

Nosir, I believe you might have that wrong.

You were given recovery exercises to do. You decided to add some more that put stress on your shoulder, and then you added bench, a regrettable action, as it confirmed that you had worsened, or reversed natural healing.

If your suspect inadequate protein is a problem, diet is your solution, not steroids.

Orals are known to cause problems with liver function and have been associated with connective tissue issues. Both chronic excess strain in exercise and oral anabolic steroids are known to aggravate connective and joint tissue inflammation.

Your best bet might be to stop cycling. Begin to use and stick to therapist recommended recovery exercises/program, being very careful not to incur injury to the same joints, and to begin eating adequate protein and use soluble carb polymers (glucosamine and glucans) to promote repair prevent muscle tissue loss. Simple daily cardio will help with catabolism, as will avoidance of missed meals, sound sleep hygiene and rest breaks from training, and active stress management.

so wait...If you didn't ask the ortho for steroids then why wont be help you?

Because honestly....It sounds like you need a shoulder specialist.

Originally Posted by Trouble

Your chronic knee and shoulder injury problems are caused by overly loose joints with abnormal action within the joint girdles.

No physican can provide you with drugs to correct these problems. They require rehabilitation exercises. P-funk may be willing to point you towards previously posted information on knee and shoulder injury assessment and rehabiliation exercises.

Your low testosterone issue is a separate condition. A physician may evaluate you for potential hypogonadal symptoms and can assess free and bound testosterone. Treatment must be provided under medical supervision. No physican will write you a script for injections or transdermals for athletic performance purposes.

I note that you favor oral steroid analog use. Be advised that its known alter liver function, and this will impact joint health.

Was that a lucky guess or are you just psychic?

No guesswork. Not psychic.

Originally Posted by P-funk

so wait...If you didn't ask the ortho for steroids then why wont be help you?

Because honestly....It sounds like you need a shoulder specialist.

Even if I did ask for steroids would that be a reason not to receive medical attention?

If you make a request for an illegal drug perscription that could endanger or end the professional career of a medical doctor, do you really think he will want to treat you? You are an anethema to these physicians. And, as I have said, the use of anabolic steroids is not a good idea. You can't even bench or squat - do major compound lifts - in your present state. You do not use these drugs for injury recovery. That is best handled by a physical therapist, through evaluation and rehabilitation, under the supervision of an orthopedist or a sports medicine physician.

Moderators Warning: Do not ask us here for the names of physicians who will write 'scripts for anabolics.

Originally Posted by Masternutt

Even if I did ask for steroids would that be a reason not to receive medical attention?

a) you never answered my question. why wont the doctor help you if you didn't ask for steroids?

b) hell yes it would be a great reason not to receive medical attention. If I were a doctor and you came in my office requesting drugs I would kick you out too.

Originally Posted by P-funk

a) you never answered my question. why wont the doctor help you if you didn't ask for steroids?

b) hell yes it would be a great reason not to receive medical attention. If I were a doctor and you came in my office requesting drugs I would kick you out too.

Your guess is as good as mine, maybe he is a little too paranoid about the law to be able to practice medicine.

b) A question alone would not put the doctor in any danger, could he not just say no and continue treatment as long as the patient agrees to what he says.

the reason I wouldn't treat you would be because:

the question asked means you want to use. Which means that you will use, even if I (the doctor in this case) does not provide you with it. That means, I could be treating you for one thing and you could be using another thing and in the end I could end up fucking you up because I am not sure what you are on.

To much bullshit and to much of a headache for the practitioner.

Originally Posted by Trouble

If you make a request for an illegal drug perscription that could endanger or end the professional career of a medical doctor, do you really think he will want to treat you? You are an anethema to these physicians. And, as I have said, the use of anabolic steroids is not a good idea. You can't even bench or squat - do major compound lifts - in your present state. You do not use these drugs for injury recovery. That is best handled by a physical therapist, through evaluation and rehabilitation, under the supervision of an orthopedist or a sports medicine physician.

Moderators Warning: Do not ask us here for the names of physicians who will write 'scripts for anabolics.

Like I told p-funk the doctor has the free will too say no and to continue treatment without threatening his career. Still I want you to know that i did not ask for steroids. And I'm not hell bent to use them either, I just wanted a intelligent answer from the doctor if they would help or not. If the doctor had said not to use them I would not have used them, I did use 1 cycle of vpx syngex 2 during my therapy, my only way to find out was to use it, no doctor would discuss it with me, if they had told me it would not help i would not have used. Even now how do i know if it had anything to do with making it worse, cause at the time i had included other movements into my routine. And all that is the past, it has been at least two years since this happened, and i still get the same pains in my lower trap and around and on my scapula, the muscles twitch alot too, and i'm convinced that I need surgery. I am looking for a doctor outside of my area (not for steroids, for treatment).

Do you have a lot of tension in the upper back neck and occasionally the chest and face/jaw as well?

Originally Posted by Trouble

Do you have a lot of tension in the upper back neck and occasionally the chest and face/jaw as well?

The tension in my upperback seems to come and go along with the swelling and twitching, constant tension in my neck, not to much in my chest, face not so much, jaw yes.

So maybe you have a common condition associated with excess stress loads, in which a deficiency of taurine, carnitine and GABA produce highly sensitive conditions in what are called alpha fibers in the upper spinal chord. This results in a characteristic over tensioning of the muscles of the upper body, particularly the upper back, neck jaw and chest. At its worst, the feeling is that breathing is restricted (as though you have a tight band around your chest).

I think you have this condition. Taurine is necessary for proper flow of balanced ions (calcium, magnesium) within muscle cells. Too much local buildup of calcium and not enough magnesium, and you have this characteristics tightening of the upper back and neck. In the more heavily affected individual, there may be reflexive tooth grinding (bruxation) or jaw clenching, worst at night.

I wonder if this condition is keeping your upper back from healing correctly?

I also wonder at the associated causes of depletion of taurine. Its synthesis is determined by the local concentration of specific B vitamins, zinc and vitamin C in liver. Doesn't take much to induce a dietary deficiency in these cofactors, and therefore, a slowdown in taurine synthesis.

That might give you these symptoms. Some folk also have headaches, because taurine protects against hypoxia and excess ion buildup under stress in the brain. Without it, tissue damage causes inflammation. Magnesium plays a protective role as well. In many cases, use of magnesium and taurine reduce or ablate the frequency of chronic headaches, because of this subtle deficiency of both cofactors and taurine itself, in the body. Pretty important amino acid. Not vital, you make it - under normal physiological conditions.

But...what happens if you are leaching it, and not replacing it adequately?

Well, you get the symptoms you report, including joint issues.

Make sense?