Back Pain - Any idea's on what the cause might be?

Ak_88 · 12-05-2006, 05:34 PM

Right, i've absolutely NO idea what's causing this, so i'll do my best to describe what happens & where it is.

If i'm sitting down in a chair, back straight, i've got no pain at all.

If i slouch in my chair without leaning forward, theres some discomfort/very mild pain when inhaling.

The further i lean forward and inhale, the greater the pain seems to become. It's bearable pain, but it does seem to cause some discomfort. Feels like an ache, sort of sore.

Where?

It seems to be around this area (oldish picture, shouldn't matter though);

It's not a constant pain either, so it's not happening every time i inhale, though it's still fairly common.

Like i said i've got no idea on the cause of this, so any input would prove very helpful.

Thanks

**P-funk** · 12-06-2006, 08:46 AM

looks like a poor posture issue. I would start taking a look at your scapular stabilizer strength.

Do a search in the training forum. We have lots of stuff about it.

**IainDaniel** · 12-06-2006, 08:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by P-funk

looks like a poor posture issue. I would start taking a look at your scapular stabilizer strength.

Do a search in the training forum. We have lots of stuff about it.

Hey P, how often do you see scapular stabilzer issues?

**P-funk** · 12-06-2006, 08:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by IainDaniel

Hey P, how often do you see scapular stabilzer issues?

it is one of the most common things I see, just because most people spen all day sitting at a desk, with poor posture and their muscles become adapted to that position. It is very common in todays society.

Ak_88 · 12-06-2006, 01:14 PM

Just had a quick search - thanks P Funk.

I had a read through the Rotator Cuff Injury thread and i'm thinking a possible cause might be that i've recently switched from seated DB shoulder presses to standing military presses. The form isn't wonderful at heavier sets which is a pain, my chest/mid section seems to push out a bit, which causes a bit of discomfort, but i find i can't really 'push' it back to give a straight chest/back.

Could this be the cause?

**P-funk** · 12-06-2006, 01:18 PM

it just looks like your stabilizers are weak...your shoulders are internally rotated and your left side is a little higher than your right side (but that could be the lighting). you look slouched.

try stretching your chest and lats, strengthen your serratus, external rotators, and stabilizers like mid and lower traps and rhomboids. Don't know what your program looks like but my guess would be you push more than you pull.

Ak_88 · 12-06-2006, 01:50 PM

My right side is lower than my left side, it's been like that for a long time now, not sure on the cause of this really.

I started properly training in around March of this year, was working on a Push/Pull/Legs format, something like this. Each session had 1 days rest between.

Day 1: Legs/Abs

Squats
SLDL
Calf Raises
Crunches
DB Side Bends
Hanging Leg Raises

Day 2: Chest/Tri's/Shoulders

Flat DB or BB Bench
Incline DB Bench
Seated DB shoulder press
Cant remember what tri exercise i did, probably pushdowns or dips

Day 3: Back/Bi's/Traps

Deadlifts
Bent over DB Rows
Wide Chins
Shrugs
Ez bar curls

I did the above until around October, when i switched to a 4 day split below which i've been doing up to now;

Day 1: Chest/Bi's

Flat DB Bench
Incline DB Bench
Chest Dips
Ez Curls
Hammer Curls
Conc Curls

Day 2: Legs/Abs

Squats
SLDL
Calf Raises
Crunches
DB Side Bends
Hanging Leg Raises

Day 3: Rest

Day 4: Shoulders/Tri's

Standing BB Military Press
Superset Rear Delt Fly/Lateral Raises
Skullcrushers
Overhead DB Extensions
Tricep Dips

Day 5: Back/Traps

Deadlifts
Wide Chins
Bent over DB Rows
Shrugs

Day 6&7: Rest

That takes us up to the present day, so you can probably make a better assessment of the push/pull ratio than myself.

One other thing to note, i've been going to gyms since the age of around 16, nearly 19 now. Although this wasn't proper training by any means, for the first year or so it was all resistance machine work which was fairly balanced, the only free weight exercises being curls/db benching (yeah yeah i know, bad move).

What could be the problem was from around September 2005-January 2006 i was using the poorest programme looking back on it. Direct shoulder work was neglected, and DB benching/Curls were overdone to the extreme, no real compound work, no real back work other than the Lat pulldown machine. I've done my best to bring everything up to speed but as you've seen from the picture it's still work in progress.

Thanks again for the reply, i appreciate it

**P-funk** · 12-06-2006, 01:52 PM

yea, lots of pushing and not a lot of pulling. You only make the problem worse.

Best thing you can do is switch to etiher total body workouts or upper/lower and pull more than you push and add in activation and strengthening work for the muscles i said above and stretch the chest and lats.

Ak_88 · 12-06-2006, 02:00 PM

Ok, thanks for the help. I'll drop you a message when i've come up with something for some more feedback.

Much appreciated.

12-05-2006, 05:34 PM	#1
Ak_88 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 44	Back Pain - Any idea's on what the cause might be? Right, i've absolutely NO idea what's causing this, so i'll do my best to describe what happens & where it is. If i'm sitting down in a chair, back straight, i've got no pain at all. If i slouch in my chair without leaning forward, theres some discomfort/very mild pain when inhaling. The further i lean forward and inhale, the greater the pain seems to become. It's bearable pain, but it does seem to cause some discomfort. Feels like an ache, sort of sore. Where? It seems to be around this area (oldish picture, shouldn't matter though); It's not a constant pain either, so it's not happening every time i inhale, though it's still fairly common. Like i said i've got no idea on the cause of this, so any input would prove very helpful. Thanks Last edited by Trouble : 12-06-2006 at 09:01 AM. Reason: Title edited for clarity
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12-06-2006, 08:46 AM	#2
P-funk Patrick Super Moderator Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: AZ Posts: 30,439	looks like a poor posture issue. I would start taking a look at your scapular stabilizer strength. Do a search in the training forum. We have lots of stuff about it.
	http://pwtraining.blogspot.com/.....come and see what is on my mind! http://ivonneberkowitz.blogspot.com/....check out Ivonne's new blog! Optimum Sports Performance "In the beginners mind there are many possibilities, in the experts there are few." -Buddha's Little Instruction Book

12-06-2006, 01:14 PM	#5
Ak_88 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 44	Just had a quick search - thanks P Funk. I had a read through the Rotator Cuff Injury thread and i'm thinking a possible cause might be that i've recently switched from seated DB shoulder presses to standing military presses. The form isn't wonderful at heavier sets which is a pain, my chest/mid section seems to push out a bit, which causes a bit of discomfort, but i find i can't really 'push' it back to give a straight chest/back. Could this be the cause?
Ak_88 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 44

12-06-2006, 01:18 PM	#6
P-funk Patrick Super Moderator Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: AZ Posts: 30,439	it just looks like your stabilizers are weak...your shoulders are internally rotated and your left side is a little higher than your right side (but that could be the lighting). you look slouched. try stretching your chest and lats, strengthen your serratus, external rotators, and stabilizers like mid and lower traps and rhomboids. Don't know what your program looks like but my guess would be you push more than you pull.
	http://pwtraining.blogspot.com/.....come and see what is on my mind! http://ivonneberkowitz.blogspot.com/....check out Ivonne's new blog! Optimum Sports Performance "In the beginners mind there are many possibilities, in the experts there are few." -Buddha's Little Instruction Book

12-06-2006, 01:50 PM	#7
Ak_88 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 44	My right side is lower than my left side, it's been like that for a long time now, not sure on the cause of this really. I started properly training in around March of this year, was working on a Push/Pull/Legs format, something like this. Each session had 1 days rest between. Day 1: Legs/Abs Squats SLDL Calf Raises Crunches DB Side Bends Hanging Leg Raises Day 2: Chest/Tri's/Shoulders Flat DB or BB Bench Incline DB Bench Seated DB shoulder press Cant remember what tri exercise i did, probably pushdowns or dips Day 3: Back/Bi's/Traps Deadlifts Bent over DB Rows Wide Chins Shrugs Ez bar curls I did the above until around October, when i switched to a 4 day split below which i've been doing up to now; Day 1: Chest/Bi's Flat DB Bench Incline DB Bench Chest Dips Ez Curls Hammer Curls Conc Curls Day 2: Legs/Abs Squats SLDL Calf Raises Crunches DB Side Bends Hanging Leg Raises Day 3: Rest Day 4: Shoulders/Tri's Standing BB Military Press Superset Rear Delt Fly/Lateral Raises Skullcrushers Overhead DB Extensions Tricep Dips Day 5: Back/Traps Deadlifts Wide Chins Bent over DB Rows Shrugs Day 6&7: Rest That takes us up to the present day, so you can probably make a better assessment of the push/pull ratio than myself. One other thing to note, i've been going to gyms since the age of around 16, nearly 19 now. Although this wasn't proper training by any means, for the first year or so it was all resistance machine work which was fairly balanced, the only free weight exercises being curls/db benching (yeah yeah i know, bad move). What could be the problem was from around September 2005-January 2006 i was using the poorest programme looking back on it. Direct shoulder work was neglected, and DB benching/Curls were overdone to the extreme, no real compound work, no real back work other than the Lat pulldown machine. I've done my best to bring everything up to speed but as you've seen from the picture it's still work in progress. Thanks again for the reply, i appreciate it
Ak_88 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 44

12-06-2006, 01:52 PM	#8
P-funk Patrick Super Moderator Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: AZ Posts: 30,439	yea, lots of pushing and not a lot of pulling. You only make the problem worse. Best thing you can do is switch to etiher total body workouts or upper/lower and pull more than you push and add in activation and strengthening work for the muscles i said above and stretch the chest and lats.
	http://pwtraining.blogspot.com/.....come and see what is on my mind! http://ivonneberkowitz.blogspot.com/....check out Ivonne's new blog! Optimum Sports Performance "In the beginners mind there are many possibilities, in the experts there are few." -Buddha's Little Instruction Book

12-06-2006, 02:00 PM	#9
Ak_88 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 44	Ok, thanks for the help. I'll drop you a message when i've come up with something for some more feedback. Much appreciated.
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