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    Question about smoking...

    I just had a discussion about smoking with this guy I work with and it's effect on building muscle.
    This guy is a couple months older then me, so 33, and he's got some decent size (about 225 lbs at 12% bodyfat, or so he says.. I believe him though, he's pretty solid), and he's pretty damned strong. He trains 3 or 4 days a week and he smokes about a pack of cigarettes a day and says he's been smoking for 20 years. I told him that he should stop smoking and he'd probably make better gains, he disagreed with me.
    This is his opinion: "The only thing smoking affects is cardio, which I hate anyway. It doesn't have any impact on muscle." We went back and forth for about 5 minutes or so about it and the I couldn't really come up with anything to counter his argument except for possibly smoking making his recovery time longer.
    Now I'm no anti-smoking nazi or anything. If I actually go out drinking,which is maybe once or twice a year, I usually smoke along with the booze, so I'm not gonna preach to him about it. I was just wondering if you guys know of any actual effects it would have on building muscle. I did a little searching and all I could find were references to it's impact on cardio and interval training, which supports his agument, so it didn't really help me much.

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    How about lower testosterone, elevated estrogen and impotence?

    http://www.blackwell-synergy.com/doi...ournalCode=jdv

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    Ummm and that it makes him reek like an ashtray ... God that is a disgusting stench.

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    When you inhale smoke into the lungs, the heart has to work harder.

    In many who smoke, this effect causes irregular heart contractions that can persist for thirty to forty-five minutes. Besides increased heart rate, smoking elevates blood pressure and increases resistance in the airway.

    The arteries constrict, thus increasing blood pressure. These effects also occur in the arteries of the heart, reducing blood flow to the heart muscles.One by-product of smoking is carbon monoxide. This substance easily attaches to oxygen and leaves less oxygen available for the working muscles, thus reducing your endurance tremendously. The oxygen in your lungs also decreases with smoking, by nearly half.

    Skin temperature can drop due to smoking, causing a person to feel cold and function at low levels during training and competition.

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    hey thanks for the input everyone...
    I mentioned the death thing but he didn't care, as for the rest, next time I talk to him I'll point a few of these things out. I know I won't change his mind, but at least I'll have a few more good points to make.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lucifuge View Post
    hey thanks for the input everyone...
    I mentioned the death thing but he didn't care, as for the rest, next time I talk to him I'll point a few of these things out. I know I won't change his mind, but at least I'll have a few more good points to make.
    Its worth a try, but like with a lot of people you're probably fighting a losing battle, lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jodi View Post
    How about lower testosterone, elevated estrogen and impotence?

    http://www.blackwell-synergy.com/doi...ournalCode=jdv
    I think you are blowing that out of proportion.

    Smoking is bad, I will not dispute that, but I know a lot of tough ass mother fuckers that could and would outwork 99% of the population in everything they did. Smoking in the south is bad. It seems that everyone smokes, dips, chews, and drinks all of the time. These same people will then go work the farm for 50 hours a week, and never show any signs of slowing down. My Papa has 1 tooth left in his mouth from chewing redman and smoking his whole life. He is 87, and he looks healthier than most people in their 50s.

    My theory is that hard work might keep your heart healthy despite the fact that they are smoking and dipping. I know that hardwork won't prevent cancer, and they are just lucky in that respect. I guess what I am getting at is everyone has vices, and if smoking is one, then if everything else is in line, maybe it won't hurt your athletic performance as much as people say.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KelJu View Post
    My theory is that hard work might keep your heart healthy despite the fact that they are smoking and dipping. I know that hardwork won't prevent cancer, and they are just lucky in that respect. I guess what I am getting at is everyone has vices, and if smoking is one, then if everything else is in line, maybe it won't hurt your athletic performance as much as people say.
    I've seen the flip side....A neighbor we knew for years smoked heavy, worked on heavy machinery and was a tough old bugger (bare knuckle tough), recently died at the ripe young age of 65 . Complications of emphysema and lung cancer. He was the first to say the smoking did him in. This guy worked hard all his life.

    My wifes Grandmother is 95, lives on her own, still wears high-heels to church (no shit) and smokes like crazy. I think some people are genetic freaks that have a long life gene. They are literally immune to the effects of smoking and there aren't that many of them. This lady is definitely one of them.

    I think the large majority can't side-step the effects of smoking and it catches up with them later (just my personal opinion there).

    I believe I read an article that mentioned that nicotine is gene altering...that can't be a good thing.
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    Most of the people I know who smoke and are having problems are lazy bastards who sit on their ass all the time. My GF's grand father of 89 smoked from the 1940's to 2001 and drank beer nightly, his only problem now is he hurt his back so bad he's bed ridden indefinitely, but that was an old WWII injury he re-injured. He had worked hard all his life in his Orchid nursery weeding, watering, replanting and teaching an orchid night class. My fathers mother smoked her own rolled cigs, had diabetes from being obese and sat in her lazy boy all day, she died of a heart attack. His father worked hard all his life at the Ford factory until he retired, after he got his pension he still worked hard doing odd jobs like helping family members build new homes, or with my uncle painting houses...he passed away a few years ago at 72 from liver problems from drinking, but he smoked a couple packs a day and had no problems from that. The thing is in his last 5 years he had divorced from his wife and was heart broken those last years. He rarely left his apartment...
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    Im on my second day quiting. Like Im on Steriods got so much energy worst drug in the world to ever use. Fuck nicotine you can still get huge smoking though

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    Quote Originally Posted by lucifuge View Post
    This is his opinion: "The only thing smoking affects is cardio, which I hate anyway. It doesn't have any impact on muscle." We went back and forth for about 5 minutes or so about it and the I couldn't really come up with anything to counter his argument except for possibly smoking making his recovery time longer.
    your lungs pull oxygen into your body, without this oxygen you die, so it would seem that if your lungs and cardio vascular system were performing optimally this would have an impact on your entire body including muscles.

    with that said I don't think smoking has any direct effect on muscle building, I think there would indirects effects, and if you're not looking for every edge you can then I guess it does not matter.

    but ultimately my question would simply be do you care about your health? if not, continue smoking.

    btw, Markus Ruhl smokes.

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    I used to smoke a pack a day and am only 22.. Been smoking for the last 5years.. But as of the last two weeks have just dropped from 20 to 4.. Actually after reading various forums i decided its high time.. Check out the Men's health mag jan/feb 2001 uk edition if you can.. Trust me.. Their article freaked me out.. Anyways back to my question... Since i'm smoking 4 a day does it really affect anything much.. I know it does but to what extent.. Make sure you check out the mag.. Cheers

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