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Posted by: T_man

Seriously what the fuck the bar is bent
<throws in towel>

ON a more serious note; I did smith machine squats today because I really needed to do squats but my gym doesn't have even a free bar let alone a cage or stand. I feel so bad.
Now my right knee is aching. But I've never felt like I've worked my quads as hard as I do on smith machines. Furthermore (apart from the knee-pain, which might be from another poopie-the leg press machine), I did not feel anything wrong with the movement, no akwardness, no aches or pains anywhere, whereas squatting free bar sometimes hurts my lower back and neck.

But just a question: what are good exercises/variations to build width in the thighs?? Both inner and outer

Posted by: Built

There are no barbells in your gym? Seriously?

Posted by: T_man

community centre ran by the government

need to ensure that nobody "gets hurt" in the gym so they have more machines than free weights.

But yea, this is just a period before uni when I'm really out of money till my exams are over then i'll get a 3 month gym membership at a gym with a barbell lol.

Posted by: P-funk

lunges
split squats
DB RDLs
Step ups
lateral lunges

They are all your new best friends!

patrick

Posted by: Perdido

I've seen guys do leg presses on a smith machine. Lay down on a bench and push up.

Posted by: P-funk

Originally Posted by rahaas

I've seen guys do leg presses on a smith machine. Lay down on a bench and push up.

I saw a picture of that in a BB'ing magazine several years ago. I never thought anyone was dumb enough to try it!!

patrick

Posted by: Perdido

Yea I couldn't figure that out myself. Especially when 10 ft away there are two leg press machines.

Posted by: T_man

Wow rahas i thought you were being serious for a minute there

Posted by: T_man

arnie had so much strength, he doesn't even that big in the pic above

Posted by: Perdido

I see allot of people doing single leg squats on a smith too. Again another I don't do but am wondering are they as bad as doing back squats on a smith. I have done fronts on a smith when I first started doing fronts. I didn't think they were too bad since the back is not involved so much.

Posted by: gtbmed

You could do goblet squats if you don't have a barbell. I like step ups as well.

Posted by: Yanick

Single Leg stuff if you don't have a barbell all the way. You can do bilateral stuff buts its difficult to get enough weight to actually make it worthwhile. I guess you can do them for higher reps if you aren't into the strength stuff.

Re; the leg press on the smith, IMO that is a few fractured ribs and/or collapsed lungs just waiting to happen.

Re; the bar bending. He is/was a beast no doubt about it, but the bar bending is not really a big deal. Crappy bars bend and back then they were even crappier than they are now. Hell when I load 335 on the bar at my gym there's very visibly bend. The serious bars powerlifters use (Texas Power Bars and Ivanko, I believe make some serious bars) won't bend for shit until you get into the 500's or more.

Posted by: nkira

Seriously Yanik, Arnie is no longer the same in terms of his physique....

No offense...just my opinion.

I think Sylvester Stallone STILL rocks, There's a Prince's post some where in the open chat which shows Sly with great physique at an age of 50 or 60 something.....i have no idea how old Arnie is but he's not in the same league any more.

Originally Posted by Yanick

Single Leg stuff if you don't have a barbell all the way. You can do bilateral stuff buts its difficult to get enough weight to actually make it worthwhile. I guess you can do them for higher reps if you aren't into the strength stuff.

Re; the leg press on the smith, IMO that is a few fractured ribs and/or collapsed lungs just waiting to happen.

Re; the bar bending. He is/was a beast no doubt about it, but the bar bending is not really a big deal. Crappy bars bend and back then they were even crappier than they are now. Hell when I load 335 on the bar at my gym there's very visibly bend. The serious bars powerlifters use (Texas Power Bars and Ivanko, I believe make some serious bars) won't bend for shit until you get into the 500's or more.

Posted by: Prince

Originally Posted by T_man

Seriously what the fuck the bar is bent
<throws in towel>

the bar is bent permanently, not because of the weight, it's that way so it rests across the traps more comfortably.

Posted by: nkira

I used to use folded towel below the bar cos it used to hurt where the bar rest's while squatting....I guess bent bar is much better.

Posted by: Perdido

I've been told you can figure an up to a 10% increase in lift weight by using a powerbar. Something about the flex in cheap bars screwing up leverage.

Posted by: Yanick

Originally Posted by nkira

Seriously Yanik, Arnie is no longer the same in terms of his physique....

No offense...just my opinion.

I think Sylvester Stallone STILL rocks, There's a Prince's post some where in the open chat which shows Sly with great physique at an age of 50 or 60 something.....i have no idea how old Arnie is but he's not in the same league any more.

Well you can't keep that kind of physique your whole life dude. I mean the guy was the top BB'er in the world, that kind of conditioning doesn't stick around. A few years at the top and then its all downhill. Aside from that, that picture is deceiving because from what I know that was taken as Arnold was recovering from his valve replacement surgery. Heart surgery and heavy lifting don't mix, hell in the beginning you gotta make sure you don't get up too fast, then you gotta make sure you can take a step or two, then graduate to climbing stairs etc.

Aside from all of that, Arnold is an accomplished individual in general. He went to the top of two different professions and is ascending to the top of politics. His physique isn't his most important asset anymore, although he is still a big guy or atleast he looks to be in decent shape in his suits and such. Stallone however is still in show business, and runs a supplement company. His physique is a top priority and he stays on top of it all the time.

Arnold is still a bad ass, even if he can't squat 450lbs anymore with a 30'' waist and 20'' arms etc.

Posted by: nkira

Okay Okay

I did say "No Offense"......

Posted by: Yanick

hahaha, no offense taken. Those comments were not made in anger, just clarification.

I respect both of those guys but Arnold is a personal hero of mine. He is just a very motivated/motivational person, modern day Renaissance man if you will. I mean I still have The Encyclopedia of Modern Bodybuilding, it was the first book I ever read about BB'ing. Even though its all bullshit I still like to take it out and thumb through it every once in a while.

Posted by: nkira

Tell me about it, I have the book too.....

Originally Posted by Yanick

I mean I still have The Encyclopedia of Modern Bodybuilding, it was the first book I ever read about BB'ing. Even though its all bullshit I still like to take it out and thumb through it every once in a while.

Posted by: Kevsworld

You may want to try doing front squats for a while. That's one of the few things I use a smith machine for every once in a while.

Posted by: T_man

I use a pad that wraps around the bar when doing squats.

I hate squats but I love them; that great feeling you get when doing them but the sheer exhaustion you get after is sickening!

Posted by: Yanick

Originally Posted by T_man

I use a pad that wraps around the bar when doing squats.

I hate squats but I love them; that great feeling you get when doing them but the sheer exhaustion you get after is sickening!

I'm the exact opposite. Before and during I'd rather blow my brains out but, once I'm done I feel like I could take over the world!

Posted by: T_man

well the last 3-4 reps are just like hell. While doing them I actually think about what it would feel like being in hell compared to the feeling I get during those squats.
Then after a brief feeling of nausea then my quads go numb

Posted by: Perdido

Originally Posted by T_man

Furthermore (apart from the knee-pain, which might be from another poopie-the leg press machine),

What is wrong with the leg press machine?
Lyle says they are better than squats for building quads.

Are you allowing your knees to come together?

Posted by: Burner02

Originally Posted by T_man

I use a pad that wraps around the bar when doing squats.

I hate squats but I love them; that great feeling you get when doing them but the sheer exhaustion you get after is sickening!

A: ditch the pussy pad, bud. seriously, you'll thank me.
You don't need it. The bar fits nicely across your shoulders and sits in between two vertebre(sp) comfortably.

...and what p-funk said

Posted by: T_man

Originally Posted by Burner02

A: ditch the pussy pad, bud. seriously, you'll thank me.
You don't need it. The bar fits nicely across your shoulders and sits in between two vertebre(sp) comfortably.

...and what p-funk said

Atm my shoulders arent very flexible so they dont go back far enough for the bar to rest on the "meat" so it rests on a bone on my back and its really uncomfortable

Originally Posted by rahaas

What is wrong with the leg press machine?
Lyle says they are better than squats for building quads.

Are you allowing your knees to come together?

The leg press only goes to 90 degrees which is quite bad for your knees.
Maybe the ache had nothing to do with the exercises because it was only my right knee and it was the dullest of aches but it seems to come every leg push day.

Posted by: T_man

btw when doing DB squats I tend to do them more like deadlifts with my arms hanging down. The weight of DBs for effective squats is too heavy for me to support with my shoulders

Posted by: P-funk

Originally Posted by T_man

Atm my shoulders arent very flexible so they dont go back far enough for the bar to rest on the "meat" so it rests on a bone on my back and its really uncomfortable

So fix the problem then. Don't mask it.

If you don't the mobility to get back there - front squat and in between sets work on your mobility.

patrick

Posted by: gtbmed

Does it really take that much shoulder mobility for you to get the bar in a comfortable position? I'm not sure about my shoulder mobility, but I don't think I've ever been uncomfortable with the bar resting on my shoulders. I feel a lot less comfortable with the pad on the bar.

Posted by: quadluver

The stuff they used to do simply was all bals and no brains. Many of them got away with it, but can you imagine if you trained a client like that today?
People who consider you a menace.

Posted by: T_man

I think the way I place it, it's on the upper traps on that big bone that sticks out at the base of your neck. I find it uncomfortable any lower. Should it be lower?? I would be able to do it lower

Posted by: MeatheadSam

Originally Posted by P-funk

I saw a picture of that in a BB'ing magazine several years ago. I never thought anyone was dumb enough to try it!!

Not sure what you mean about dumb, I'm guessing if there is a leg press and you use the smith instead it might be depending on the situation.

I don't have room for the leg press in my home gym and with my current setup find the smith leg press superior anyway. But I don't do it from a flat position.

I fabricated a special decline bench that rests against the floor and do my leg presses on my smith at home. With the mild, about 15 deg, angle it hits my quads hard, the smith has a 7 deg tilt so the effective angle is 22 deg. I find it superior to a leg press machine. 3-4 plates on each side is enough where on a 45 deg leg press I would be using 5 or 6. Since the weight is being pushed vertically you don't have the advantage of the incline.

The bench makes the difference as I started out trying it from a flat position and it placed a lot of stress on the lower back.

I may make a video of my setup on my next leg day and post it on youtube for you folks to comment on.

Posted by: Marat

Originally Posted by T_man

I think the way I place it, it's on the upper traps on that big bone that sticks out at the base of your neck. I find it uncomfortable any lower. Should it be lower?? I would be able to do it lower

How would you describe your elbow position?

Posted by: juggernaut

Originally Posted by rahaas

I've seen guys do leg presses on a smith machine. Lay down on a bench and push up.

a friend of mine tried that once in my gym. He landed the bar on top of his nuts. Hurt like a mofo

Posted by: T_man

Originally Posted by m11

How would you describe your elbow position?

http://www.naturalphysiques.com/images/squat.jpg

something like that

Posted by: gtbmed

When I squat, I always try to keep my shoulders back just like when I'm deadlifting. Keeping the shoulders back like this could allow you to place the bar below where you're currently placing it. You shouldn't be placing it on your vertebra prominens, that would really hurt.

Posted by: sshamm_bone_1

Has anyone else ever tried the Manta Ray Rear Squat Harness? If you have a problem with the bar hurting your shoulders and neck its a pretty awesome product. The gym I use in Iraq has it so now I need to buy one when I go home.

Now I can't use the hurt neck excuse to get out of squats

........what was I thinking.

Posted by: gtbmed

We actually had them in high school when I was lifting with the football team. I think it helps to train you in where to place the bar. You can get comfortable with the bar in the correct position on your back but you don't have to support the bar as much.

After using that, I was pretty comfortable squatting without any pad.

Posted by: nkira

Shit.....The nuts survived?

Originally Posted by juggernaut

a friend of mine tried that once in my gym. He landed the bar on top of his nuts. Hurt like a mofo

Posted by: Merkaba

Originally Posted by juggernaut

a friend of mine tried that once in my gym. He landed the bar on top of his nuts. Hurt like a mofo

he deserved it! Either for not placing the stops at the proper level for safety or for doing that shit on a machine with no stops. Maybe he can't make any more morons now!

Posted by: T_man

Originally Posted by Merkaba

he deserved it! Either for not placing the stops at the proper level for safety or for doing that shit on a machine with no stops. Maybe he can't make any more morons now!

Posted by: juggernaut

Originally Posted by Merkaba

he deserved it! Either for not placing the stops at the proper level for safety or for doing that shit on a machine with no stops. Maybe he can't make any more morons now!

Actually, he tried to have a little moron but the environment wasnt "hospitable" for his little guys. WTF that means is beyond me.
I saw him doing it, and I was like what the hell is he doing???

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