[SIZE=1][COLOR=red]It looks like he is condemned only in his home country..so sad.

We loved his music, we accepted the fact that he was eccentric but your accused of molesting a child with cancer it makes you look at a person at a different light.

Which part of 'Not guilty' you don't understand?
CNN.com - Jackson not guilty - Jun 14, 2005



I never said whole nation condemns him, I only said that he is condemned in his home country.

OJ was also innocent. Stallworth recieved 30 days for killing a man while DUI...so what's your point.
Would you trust an accused pedophile with your kid? Knowing you, you probably would.

Funny Michael jackson is dead but none of us have seen a body.

which celebrities bodies have you seen....

Innocent means innocent. Doesn't matter what you think or believe. You can't condemn people just because you don't like them.

which celebrities bodies have you seen....

OJ was also innocent. Stallworth recieved 30 days for killing a man while DUI...so what's your point.
Would you trust an accused pedophile with your kid? Knowing you, you probably would.

Innocent means innocent. Doesn't matter what you think or believe. You can't condemn people just because you don't like them.

Actually in court you are found 'Not Guilty.' Not innocent. There is, ultimately, no way to no if you are innocent. You get off if the defense doesn't prove beyond a reasonable doubt that you are guilty, many factors play into this and being acquitted of charges does not make you innocent...only not guilty in the eyes of the court.

Stupid head, who said I didn't like him.
I grew up listening to his music....but sadly he was accused of such crimes more than once.
I am not saying he is guilty but am I saying he is innocent either, just stating the facts.

Actually in court you are found 'Not Guilty.' Not innocent. There is, ultimately, no way to no if you are innocent. You get off if the defense doesn't prove beyond a reasonable doubt that you are guilty, many factors play into this and being acquitted of charges does not make you innocent...only not guilty in the eyes of the court.

^Always resort to name calling. Do you think it is your fault if someone accuse you of something that you didn't do? People accuse one another all the time.

This country is run by the rule of law, not by the opinion of ignorant fool. Once the court decided that he is not guilty, people should treat him as such. You guys had chance to prove him guilty, but you guys failed. Now get over with it.

You guys? Who you calling you guys?

You guys? Who you calling you guys?


Only in your country is it OK to screw a 11 year old boy in the butt.

Those who don't respect the decision of the court of law.

Get over with it, min0. Don't let media brainwash you.

What a great state America is in, where someone who has done so much for music & the world has negative things squeezed out of pure speculation.

Seriously who would spend millions and millions on a ranch resembling a theme park, and this same person who had a tutor with him from about age 8-10 because he was on tour and didn't get to have a public education and socialise properly with other kids, while being bullied by his own family and when he's spending time with kids now that he has time he's suddenly a child molester because kids parents' are trying to get into his share of wealth (I mean why wouldnt you for a couple million dollars)

There's more evidence suggesting his innocence than guilt.

RIP

Oh how sweet. Enjoy everyone who doesn't hate Michael.

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and I'll bet there have been more guys who Beat It to her poster than MJ's .

Funny Michael jackson is dead but none of us have seen a body.

Journalists make me sick.

Look I am not accusing him of anything but if your innocent why pay off the family?

Hey, face it. It's going the accusations are going to come out.
This happens in every Country, don't judge us from afar. Your Country doesn't have the best track record when it comes to things like this.

Black folks are trying to say he did so much for the cause, yet the man spent his whole adult life erasing all evidence he had ever been black.........

Plus with him dancing around with Sparkling Bling on his diamond glove, jacket and all over I have half a mind to say he started the whole need for bling craze......

Disrespect the decision of the court...how was it disrespect? By disagreeing?
Kid, that's what makes the US great. Unlike your Country we can voice our opinions.
There is nothing to get over, I am fine. Your the one crying about how Americans bash Micheal......he's ours to bash, not yours

....someting else that 'turned' my stomach...these fuk-tard 'journalists'...vulture, slow-life scum of the earth...
I caught a little bit o something, not sure wether CNN or Fox, doesnt' matter. The man is dead. They could have 'celebrated' his life and accoomplishments...accentuate on the positives. Nope.heard how he was in financial duress and how he owed lost of money to...
Im sure if I had watched any more, they would have guaranteed his court cases...

The man's dead. Who's business is it of anybody else that he had debts?

On another rant...same thing...for hte love of God, did we have to endure several days of cover story of Anna Nicole Smith? She was a pretty sorry excuse for a human that gave NOTHING to the world...and the news sensationalized her death. Mother Theresa passed in that time period, and she got a mention...page 3.

Journalists make me sick.

We are surrounded by mindless zombies feeding on Junk-Food news, when Arthur C. Clarke died last year they had a few blurbs and that was it, to me he was more important. But the non compos mentis populi are keen to worship false idols.....

Voicing opinions is only good to a certain extent.

Racism, hate, prejudice and other negative influences are also spread through this "voicing of opinion". Sure, it's a good thing, but it's a double edged sword if society lets loose.
And who says Chobby cant voice his opinion lol???

Which part of 'Not guilty' you don't understand?
CNN.com - Jackson not guilty - Jun 14, 2005



I never said whole nation condemns him, I only said that he is condemned in his home country.

Because his rep would be destroyed if he didnt. In the end he was found NOT GUILTY still but his reputation was next to nothing! The families knew this and just wanted a piece of his fortunes. People will do anything to get that sort of money.

I see as much of this case as you do in your country. Michael Jackson isn't only broadcasted in the US.

And I'd like to see anything this country has done that comes anywhere close to the MJ case.

Voicing opinions is only good to a certain extent.

Racism, hate, prejudice and other negative influences are also spread through this "voicing of opinion". Sure, it's a good thing, but it's a double edged sword if society lets loose.
And who says Chobby cant voice his opinion lol???

People need to remember , he wasn't found not guilty he was acquitted . It IS NOT the same .Even the jurors felt he did it , just not enough to convict .

but being accused of molested a kid I take very serious even if he didn't commit the crime.

Your logic sucks, min0. According to your twisted logic, If someone accuse you of crime you didn't commit, you are guilty anyway because you are accused.

BEFORE THE BEGINNING

Prior to accusing Michael Jackson of child molestation, the Arvizo family had been involved in two other sexual abuse cases. In 1998, Janet Arvizo, her husband David and their three children Anne*, John* and Rob* accused security guards from JCPenney and Tower Records of physically assaulting them after pulling them over for shoplifting.

Two years after filing a $3 million lawsuit against the companies, Janet Arvizo also accused the security guards of sexually assaulting her during the altercation, an allegation that had never come up in her initial deposition. The companies settled out of court for $152,500 without admitting guilt.3

Tom Griffin, the attorney who represented JCPenney in the case, told NBC's Mike Taibbi that the Arvizo family had no evidence to substantiate their claims. “[The mother] just came up with this fairy tale, not a fairy tale, it’s a horror story, and just ran with it,”4 Griffin said.

A psychiatrist hired by JCPenney during the investigation said that the children's testimonies sounded scripted and rehearsed,5 a suspicion that was confirmed by their father. In an affidavit, David Arvizo admitted that the children had been coached by their mother to lie. According to Russell Halpern, an attorney for Mr. Arvizo, “[The mother] wrote all of their testimony. I actually saw the script.”6

Halpern was hired when a bitter custody battle arose between the Arvizos following their divorce in 2001. The dispute took an unexpected turn when Janet Arvizo accused her ex-husband of being abusive, an allegation that was initially denied by the couple's three children.

In October 2001, social workers were called to investigate the Arvizo family following an altercation that had taken place in their home. When questioned on their own, the children did not allude to any abuse on the father's part. “There was no hitting, just yelling, and not a lot of yelling,” the children told social workers.

When Janet Arvizo returned home and discovered that the Department of Children and Family Services had interviewed her children without her there, she immediately got in contact with the agency. Social workers returned to the family’s apartment and interviewed the Arvizos again. In the presence of their mother, the children drastically changed their story, alleging that their father was indeed abusive...
Michael Jackson

Listen to me..OK.

Want I am saying if you (Chobby) were accused of touching kids I will not want you (Chobby) with my kids alone, my kids mean the world to me.
For someone to hurt them....that's the lowest of the low, molesting kids.

In your culture it may be OK to molest kids but not here, we take that very serious.

snap

"In your culture it may be ok to molest kids but not here." Are you laughing at this? I don't have any culture to follow. I just follow my own heart and do whatever it tells me right thing to do.
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Whoa this thread kind of took off. Regarding my comment before, I only wanted to clear up a certain misconception that I feel is prevalent with people who throw out the "not guilty means innocent" thing.

Regarding MJ and all that shit I'll put it all like this. I don't give 2 fucking shits. The guy made some great music, he didn't really change the fucking world people. Get fucking real.

Einstein changed the world, Jonas Salk changed the world where the fuck are the weekend long memorials for them? Where are the hordes of crying people, the phone calls to radio stations, the celebrations and remembrances of the good things they achieved? I'd bet most people have to google Jonas Salk to even know who he is, or what he did (I always forget the guys name, even though I use the example a lot in these types of debates, so I'm half guilty of this too). I don't know shit about his trial, what it consisted of, what types of Wheaties the guy ate for breakfast, his favorite color or his life long dream. The guy made great music, was a good performer and was a very out there weird guy. Child molestation stuff aside, the plastic surgery, the neverland house he had, turning himself white.

I don't hold that stuff against him though. I believe that the same force that drives creativity and invention leads to the weird fucking opinions and behaviors. Artists who are innovators experience the world in a completely unique way, and the greater the innovative drive the more off these people tend to be. This is what allows them to create things no one else can, if they didn't have such radically different perceptions/thoughts etc they would create the same stuff everyone else does. Unfortunately its a double edged sword which tends to make these types very strange. Take a look at some very famous artists, musicians, poets etc. There is a very high correlation with psychiatric disorders, eccentric personalities, drug use etc. And the more innovative/forward thinking the artist the more 'out there' they tend to be.

In summary, MJ made some great music. Lets just let the guy RIP already, but lets not make him out to be some kind of great hero who really did anything. He made a bunch of teen girls, and Chobby, wet their panties, made millions of dollars, entertained lots of people along the way and passed on. No disrespect to the dead but the guy really didn't change shit.

Umm... the whole point of giving them the money was to keep it on the down low.
Oh I agree with you on people trying to rip celebs off, the second case against I am sure the parents fed their own kids for the purpose of extorting money.

If he robbed a bank I would still like him.....but being accused of molested a kid I take very serious even if he didn't commit the crime.

Along the same lines:

with that comment its confirmed, you gotta be a skirt.

Damn.. you are back again.

Wacko Jacko admitted to sleeping with children in a non sexual manner...

Who the F*&# does that....really? Only a grade A creep sleep with other people's children even if it is in a non sexual manner...the guy was a nut case. It is sad that his psyche was so deteriorated, but he was a Wacko Jacko.

Dont hate pls

to automatically think something is fishy about an adult acting like a motherly or fatherly person with a child is just wrong.

This is all from a UK site T-man.

A UK site doesn't mean they were made here. I could take them from this site and claim they're from an American site but that doesn't mean they're made there either

Personal story.

One night I caught my half sister (not from my real father) having sex with my mothers boyfriend who we were living with.
She was 13 or 14, I was 11.

He treatened to hurt me and my other sisters if I told my mother, I was scared shit. So I kept it quiet.

My mother was a heavy sleeper so she never heard them...I used to hear the bed spring noises every night until I couldn't take it no more.

I told my mother and she didn't believe me, now this made things worse...the mental abuse was too much for a kid my age, his whole inner circle knew and made fun of me.
She took the both of us to our crazy Pentecostal neighbors the nuts made us put our hands on the bible and swear on it to see who spoke the truth...I sort got nervous and they mistook that as me being the lier.... Hench my hatred for Religious idiots.

Well one day she catches them, I had the flu at the time this happened but I was happy.

Well all hell breaks loose and blah blah blah, we go to the precinct and nothing was made out of it, since my half sister denied the whole thing happened they couldn't do a thing. No case.

Her boyfriend tries to make amends with my mother instead he stabs her in the back with a knife....every one cried that day but me.
I was just tired and empty to care.

I am not really an American citizen.....I am actually the Queen of England and I am really getting a kick out of your bloody replies chap.

That has to be the dumbest shit I ever heard, how about wishing for none.
Please don't have kids.




I have 2 friends that have this, one was an Indian guy who was all white.
He showed me his license before the skin disorder and I was completely floored.

Haters? All this started when I mentioned it's a shame that his life is tarnished from the accusations but then you and Chobby turned it into a hate crime.
I remember DI's death....a whole lot of dirty laundry was spilled.
Oh if you really want to criticize the American media perhaps you haven't read the Sun and the mirror.....

great this discussion can go on then

How did I look like I was lying? Did you see my facial expression, could you tell through the tone of my voice?
If you were not there then you can't make a judgement like that?

You do know that reading is fundamentle...why is it you and Chobby can't seperate the 2. I said he was accused, why did you change this? Stop twisting things and making it worse, your just as bad. Poor Micheal...his name is going through the gutter and your helping it.

If I did I would really be calling him out, he was accused. I don't know what happened.
The sad thing is that you and Chobby Idolize Micheal Jackson so much that you would take his word over a kid. I am not blaming MJ but I am also not in the position to say the kids were lying.

Your going to hell son....

The 10 Commandments - God's Revelation in the Old Testament
The 10 Commandments are found in the Bible's Old Testament at Exodus,

"And God spoke all these words, saying: 'I am the LORD your God…

ONE: 'You shall have no other gods before Me.'

It wasn't an attack, what you said was pretty bone headed.


Well my sources at The Onion, Star and The National Enquirer all tell me they are legit newspapers.

Point is our distant cousins are no better than us....well our dental plan must be better....

It wasn't an attack, what you said was pretty bone headed.


The sun and the mirror are joke newspapers that are full of shit. Everybody knows that. If you wan't to take them as representatives of the British Media then you're not as clever as I think you are (I do actually think you're really clever). Read the guardian, telegraph or BBC or something thats actually credited.

Well my sources at The Onion, Star and The National Enquirer all tell me they are legit newspapers.

Point is our distant cousins are no better than us....well our dental plan must be better....
Just wait until Paulrus dies and then watch to see how much dust the Brits can blow off of the tomes of media gathered on him.......


Sometimes people need to be kept in check, MJ was just a person, he was certainly no saint and certainly not as wacko as say Charles Manson. Does he deserve recognition for his achievements, yes....but lets not forget he had help producing all of those albums and videos, Guys like Quincy Jones and Babyface two real musical geniuses in their own light. I would say Prince ranks right up next to Michael as far as musically gifted goes...... Let's see what kind of hullabaloo Prince gets when it's his time.....

Yes, really. Never ever wish anything thing like that or use your kids in that text.

Think about it, a young kid going through all of that trauma, how do you think a kid will react? Trust me, the guy was a real piece of shit that to this day I have never spoken to my half sister..if she died I will throw a party.
Damn it the guy even shot at my father.

See this is where you're getting it confused. I didn't say I WANT my kids to get molested.
If you honestly, had to choose between your child being molested or a whole city being nuked it would be a pretty easy one(not easy but there would be an obvious winner). And don't lie to me by saying you wouldnt choose that one.

I am a fan of his music, either you have OCD or you just want to play games I keep telling you I never said he was guilty...not that I am saying he is innocent either.

I like the music of a lot of stars, some are junkies, wife beaters, killers....



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