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The Fallen Shall Rise Again!!!

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Posted by: Archangel

Been away for a WHILE now, I apologize my Friends!!! I am currently doing a abbreviated fullbody routine with 1 accesory bodypart thrown in each workout, I will alter and cut or add as I see fit, you know me, HYBRID all the way Baby!!! I work out on a M-F-W-M-F-W etc. routine, that works best for me!!!

I am a HUGE stickler to rep cadence, and mine are as follows:

6 count negative
slight pause (mostly so NO momentum is used!!!)
Explode (with control - usually about a 2 count)
Pause for a 2 count
rinse and repeat!!!

Todays workout

Squats
315x10
Seated Row
Plate#10x10
Incline DB Bench
65x10
DB Laterals
25x8
DONE!!!

Walked on treadmill for 15 minutes afterwards!!!

#'s are not up to par, coming back after a 2 week layoff, was bummed because the contest I was training for I can no longer do due to the meds I take for asthma I was told some might consider that an advantage, my advantage is I CAN BREATH!!!

Oh well, I felt sorry for myself, but am back now, might do a show in Des Moines next May, not sure but might!!!

Anyway, I wont bore you with the warmups or stuff like that, those who know me know how I do what I do, LoL!!!

Any questions or criticisms, fire away Gang, I'm back!!!



Posted by: Seanp156

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Originally Posted by Archangel View Post
, was bummed because the contest I was training for I can no longer do due to the meds I take for asthma I was told some might consider that an advantage, my advantage is I CAN BREATH!!!
Huh? That's weird. If it's a steroidal type of med for asthma, those generally have no performance enhancing effects. They're not anabolic.



Posted by: Triple Threat

Good to see you back here again, Arch.



Posted by: Archangel

Quote:
Originally Posted by Seanp156 View Post
Huh? That's weird. If it's a steroidal type of med for asthma, those generally have no performance enhancing effects. They're not anabolic.
Thats what I said, but apparently Albuterol is a relative of Clenbuterol, and it would look as if I am trying to mask it, or just didn't "come off" in time!!!



Posted by: Archangel

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Originally Posted by Triple Threat View Post
Good to see you back here again, Arch.
Thanks my Friend, good to be back!!!



Posted by: Burner02

let the smiting of all evil doers and slackers commence again!



Posted by: Archangel

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Originally Posted by Burner02 View Post
let the smiting of all evil doers and slackers commence again!




Posted by: yellowmoomba

AA - Good to see you return. Your negative six count has to be hard !!!!!!!!!!!





Posted by: katt

Hey Arch! How's things? Glad to see you posting again



Posted by: Archangel

Quote:
Originally Posted by yellowmoomba View Post
AA - Good to see you return. Your negative six count has to be hard !!!!!!!!!!!

Thank you, glad to be back!!! It can be VERY humbling!!!

Quote:
Originally Posted by katt View Post
Hey Arch! How's things? Glad to see you posting again
Things are goin good, thanks for the welcome back!!!



Posted by: JerseyDevil

Arch, great to see you back! How is the family?

I just started posting again myself....



Posted by: Archangel

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Originally Posted by JerseyDevil View Post
Arch, great to see you back! How is the family?

I just started posting again myself....
Family is good, hope all is well with you and yours too my Friend!!!



Posted by: Archangel

Gearin up for another w/o tomorrow!!!

Might throw a little of Pre-X in there and some r/p, we'll see how the Angelman feels!!!

Hope all is well!!!



Posted by: Scarface30

Arch is back!

how are things?

looks like you're back in old form quickly



Posted by: Archangel

Quote:
Originally Posted by Scarface30 View Post
Arch is back!

how are things?

looks like you're back in old form quickly
Doin Good, thanks for askin!!! I'll get back to my form soon, Goin at it a little different this time around


Todays workout :

Rep Cadence
6 count negative/slight pause/explode(with control)/2 count pause

Legs
Extensions
210x11
immediatly to:
Flex Leg Press
410x9

Back
Seated Rows
Plate #11x11

Chest
Dips
BWx13

Biceps
BB Curls
65x13

Done in @ 10 minutes!!!

Wanted to do Rack Deads for back, but some YAHOO was doin CURLS in the Rack!!! Oh well, next time!!!

Will follow this abbreviated Fullbody routine 1 more time I think on next wed so I can do triceps with the fullbody, then I'm contemplating going into a FULL out onslaught with Heavy Duty!!!

Any questions or criticisms are welcomed, hope all is well!!!



Posted by: JerseyDevil

Solid as usual!



Posted by: Burner02

....did you give him 'the LOOK'??? make him wilt in place?



Posted by: Triple Threat

Quote:
Originally Posted by Archangel View Post
Wanted to do Rack Deads for back, but some YAHOO was doin CURLS in the Rack!!!
And you didn't smite him? Are you mellowing?



Posted by: Archangel

LOL, Yeah, definatly mellowing!!!

Today

Back/Biceps
Rack Deads (Bars just below knee level)
405x9

Straight Arm Pushdowns
100x11

immediatly to:

Seated Rows
Plate #11x7
r/p
x1
r/p
x1

BB Curls
70x9

Walked for 10 minutes on treadmill
4 incline
4 speed

Thats it, think I spent more time on the treadmill than the workout LoL!!!

Its still fun to watch them look at me like "Thats it"???

Questions and/or criticism welcomed!!!

Hope all is well!!!



Posted by: Burner02

Quote:
Originally Posted by Archangel View Post
Thats it, think I spent more time on the treadmill than the workout LoL!!!

Its still fun to watch them look at me like "Thats it"???


Questions and/or criticism welcomed!!!

Hope all is well!!!
does that help?



Posted by: katt

I like Rack Deads... they are probably one of my fav's.



Posted by: Burner02

...see...'cause I hate 'em! I stacked up two piles of 45lb plates 3 high to get a decent ROM....don't feel like I was getting as much as a full ROM dead.
I miss a bar that I used t be able to use at an old gym. It had that 'U' in the middle and missed my shins complately.



Posted by: Scarface30

so how long did it take for you to destroy yourself on that workout, Arch? lol

looking strong

wish I could do rack pulls. the squat rack I have to use now does not have adjustable things by your knee, and the ones at the school gym I go to during the school year do not go low enough



Posted by: Archangel

Mondays workout

Legs/Abs

RC=6 count/slight pause/Explode under control/2 count

Squats
325x11

Leg Xtensions
220x9
immediatly to:
Flex Leg Press
410x11

Flex Toe Press
250x13

Abs
Flex Abs
175x17

Walk on treadmill for 15 minutes
incline 4
speed 4

DONE!!!



Posted by: Double D

So how long did that workout take?



Posted by: Archangel

Quote:
Originally Posted by Malley View Post
So how long did that workout take?
About 10 minutes!!!



Posted by: Burner02

slacker!




Posted by: JerseyDevil

I agree with Burner... You need to up the intensity a bit Arch



Posted by: Archangel

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Originally Posted by Burner02 View Post
slacker!



Quote:
Originally Posted by JerseyDevil View Post
I agree with Burner... You need to up the intensity a bit Arch



Yesterday
8.7.09

Chest/Delts/Tri's

RC=6/pause/Explode (under control)/2

Chest
Incline DB Press
80x13

Flex Pec Dec (Slight Incline)
170x5
immediatly to:
Dips
BWx4

Flex Laterals
175x10

Seated Overhead DB Extensions
95x9

Walked = 15 minutes
Speed = 4.0
Incline 4.0

Done with workout in @10 minutes!!!



Posted by: Burner02

...in a word: WOW



Posted by: JerseyDevil

That is a helluva lot of volume in 10 minutes!



Posted by: Pylon



Glad to see you are still in top form, Archie!

Seriously, we should get together sometime soon. I could use some smiting to get me back on track.

I'm up at 70 and 270 for work now. Where you at? What's your schedule like?



Posted by: Archangel

Quote:
Originally Posted by Burner02 View Post
...in a word: WOW
Your TOO kind!!!

Quote:
Originally Posted by JerseyDevil View Post
That is a helluva lot of volume in 10 minutes!
Nah, Volume and I do not co-exist, LoL!!!

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Originally Posted by Pylon View Post


Glad to see you are still in top form, Archie!

Seriously, we should get together sometime soon. I could use some smiting to get me back on track.

I'm up at 70 and 270 for work now. Where you at? What's your schedule like?
I'm still in the Westport area, what are your hours??? Would love to get together!!!



Posted by: Pylon

Quote:
Originally Posted by Archangel View Post
I'm still in the Westport area, what are your hours??? Would love to get together!!!
Jus' regular working man hours, I guess. I'm in town this week, on the road the next, then back for a bit.

What's your schedule like? I could hang around after work if that makes it easier. Where are you lifting these days?



Posted by: Burner02

Quote:
Originally Posted by Archangel View Post
Your TOO kind!!!
just gotta call 'em as I see 'em!



Posted by: Archangel

No workout today, thats what happens after only 3 hours of sleep, because of Front Row CENTER for CRUE Fest!!!



Posted by: Pylon

A friend of mine lives close enough to have listened to the show from his back porch.

How was the show?



Posted by: sara

Archangel, I like the quotes on your signture



Posted by: Archangel

Quote:
Originally Posted by Pylon View Post
A friend of mine lives close enough to have listened to the show from his back porch.

How was the show?
The show was AMAZING!!! I'm a HUGE Crue Head, but I have to say, Godsmack was FANTASTIC!!!

Quote:
Originally Posted by sara View Post
Archangel, I like the quotes on your signture
Thank you Sara, they are two of my favorites and ones I use daily for motivation!!!



Posted by: Archangel

OOps, forgot w/o from yesterday!!!

Legs/Abs

RC=6/pause/Xplode with control/2

Still tired from Concert, so bear with me....

Squats
335x10

Hypers (holding a pre-loaded 50 BB)
50x5

Toe Press
260x13

Flex Ab Machine
200x12

Done...............

Quick and abbreviated like I like!!!



Posted by: Pylon

Nice work as always.



Posted by: Scarface30

excellent squats Arch, 335 is

Motley Crue and Godsmack in the same concert? how is your hearing now? lol



Posted by: JerseyDevil

Good looking squats buddy!



Posted by: Burner02

Quote:
Originally Posted by Scarface30 View Post
excellent squats Arch, 335 is

Motley Crue and Godsmack in the same concert? how is your hearing now? lol
wow...musta been a heckuva concert!



Posted by: Triple Threat

Arch, you're truly the king of HIT workouts.



Posted by: Archangel

Ears are doin good, I can finally hear 100% LoL!!! It was a FANTASTIC show, The Crue are AWESOME and Godsmack was Incredible!!!

Todays workout

Back/Biceps

RC=6/pause/explode under control/2


Rack Deads (Pins just below knee level)
405x12

Stiff armed pushdowns
60/60x10
immediatly to:

Seated Cable CG Rows
Plate #11x9
r/p
1
r/p
1

BB Curls
80x8

DONE
Walked for 15 minutes
Incline 4.0
Speed 4.0



Posted by: Pylon

Well played indeed sir!



Posted by: JerseyDevil

Mike Mentzer would be proud!



Posted by: Archangel

You guys are too kind, Thank you!!! Considering mixing up the routine again, "Suprise, Suprise" LoL!!!

Thinking about :

(M)Back/Chest/auxilliary body part(delts)
(F)Legs/Abs
(W)Back/Chest/auxilliary body part(triceps)
(M)Legs/Abs
(F)Back/Chest/auxilliary body part(biceps)
(W)Legs/Abs
(M)repeat...

What thinks you???



Posted by: Triple Threat

Quote:
Originally Posted by Archangel View Post
What thinks you???
This is going to be a high volume routine, right?



Posted by: Archangel

Quote:
Originally Posted by Triple Threat View Post
This is going to be a high volume routine, right?




Posted by: Triple Threat

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Originally Posted by Archangel View Post
That's what I thought. Arch's version of a high volume workout is when the music is turned up loud.



Posted by: Archangel

Quote:
Originally Posted by Triple Threat View Post
That's what I thought. Arch's version of a high volume workout is when the music is turned up loud.




Posted by: Scarface30

that setup definitely looks like an Arch-esque workout!

looking good in here man



Posted by: Archangel

Hello ALL, decided to go with the Tried and True Heavy Duty routine, with a "Twist Of Angel" LoL!!!

Workout 1
Back/Chest

Workout 2
Legs/Abs

Workout 3
Delts/Biceps/Triceps

It will be on a M,F,W,M,F,W etc. schedule(every 4-5 days will be a workout)

So it will look like this:

M-Back/Chest
F-Legs/Abs
W-Delts/Biceps/Triceps
M-Legs/Abs
F-Back/Chest
W-Legs/Abs
M-Delts/Biceps/Triceps
F-Legs/Abs
etc...
Legs are always seperating the Upper body movements!!!

Starting it this wed!!!

GOD Speed you ALL,

Archie



Posted by: Triple Threat

Are you thinking about a competition in the near future?



Posted by: Archangel

Quote:
Originally Posted by Triple Threat View Post
Are you thinking about a competition in the near future?
I was doing one this October, but found out my asthma medication would get me disqualified, I was told others might view it as an advantage

I said advantage??? The only advantage is I can BREATHE!!!

So I'm shooting for one possibly next May, in Iowa!!!



Posted by: Double D

Where was the comp at?



Posted by: Burner02

Quote:
Originally Posted by Archangel View Post
I was doing one this October, but found out my asthma medication would get me disqualified, I was told others might view it as an advantage

I said advantage??? The only advantage is I can BREATHE!!!

So I'm shooting for one possibly next May, in Iowa!!!
That's some bovine biscuits!




Posted by: Archangel

QUOTE=Malley;1922183]Where was the comp at?[/quote]
Here in O'Fallon

Quote:
Originally Posted by Burner02 View Post
That's some bovine biscuits!




Posted by: Triple Threat

Quote:
Originally Posted by Archangel View Post
I was doing one this October, but found out my asthma medication would get me disqualified, I was told others might view it as an advantage

I said advantage??? The only advantage is I can BREATHE!!!
Yeah, no fair breathing Arch.



Posted by: Pylon

Good looking routine, Arch.



Posted by: Triple Threat

Quote:
Originally Posted by Burner02 View Post
That's some bovine biscuits!
Is that some Afghanistan treat?



Posted by: Double D

O'Fallon Mo?



Posted by: sara





Posted by: Pylon

Quote:
Originally Posted by Malley View Post
O'Fallon Mo?
That's a yes. If you need any further info, you can always ask the people at the Chesterfield IHOP. They've been known to weep at the sight of Archie after a comp.



Posted by: Archangel

Quote:
Originally Posted by Pylon View Post
That's a yes. If you need any further info, you can always ask the people at the Chesterfield IHOP. They've been known to weep at the sight of Archie after a comp.
You know it Pylon!!!

Todays workout (Legs/Abs)
Going with a Push/Legs/Pull/Legs/Push/Legs/Pull/Legs etc.

Squats (Just above Parallel, partials of sorts???)
405x20
r/p
405x4
r/p
405x1

Leg Extensions
230x5

Immediatly to:

Flex Leg Press
470x7

Toe Presses
290x9

Hypers
40x7

Hi-Incline Situps
BWx7

DONE

Walked on treadmill
10 Minutes
4.5 Incline
4.0 Speed

Critiques and questions are welcome!!!



Posted by: Triple Threat

Quote:
Originally Posted by Archangel View Post
Squats (Just above Parallel, partials of sorts???)
405x20
r/p
405x4
r/p
405x1


You're getting up into Tom Platz territory.



Posted by: Archangel

Quote:
Originally Posted by Triple Threat View Post


You're getting up into Tom Platz territory.
I wish!!!

Again, those where only like a 12" range of motion, I am seriously considering seeing how many Full range reps I can get!!!

Thanks for the positive feedback though my Friend, MUCH appreciated!!!



Posted by: Double D

405 for 20? Holy shit!



Posted by: Archangel

Quote:
Originally Posted by Malley View Post
405 for 20? Holy shit!
Again, only like 12" ROM though!!!



Posted by: JerseyDevil

Still!



Posted by: Archangel

Quote:
Originally Posted by JerseyDevil View Post
Still!
Thanks my Friend!!!



Posted by: Burner02

wow...partials or not...WOW!



Posted by: Archangel

Thanks Burner!!!

Ok guys, I need some help here...

I want to go with a certain idea here, I want to go with 3 main movements with an auxilliary movement, so only 4 exercises per workout, however here is my dilemma,

I want to do certain movements in this routine,
Ex:

workout 1
Horizontal Push-Upperbody
Horizontal Pull-Upperbody
Squats
Aux(Delts)

workout 2
Vertical Push-Upperbody
Vertical Pull-Upperbody
Leg Press
Aux(Biceps)

workout 3
repeat workout 1
Aux(Triceps)

Is this a sound concept???
Should I mix them up instead of keeping them the same,
ex:
Horizontal Push-Upperbody
Vertical Pull-Upperbody
Legs
Aux

Am I making sense???



Posted by: Archangel

Thinking of something like this:

Workout 1 (Horizontal Upperbody Movements)
Incline Press (BB)
Seated Rows
Squats
Delts

Workout 2 (Vertical Upperbody Movements)
Dips
Rack Deads
Leg Press
Biceps

Workout 3 (combine Horizontal and Vertical)
Incline Press (DB)
Pullups
Squats
Triceps

rinse and repeat....

Does this routine make sense???



Posted by: Archangel

No one wants to help me???



Posted by: DeadBolt

Heya archi lookin good buddy! I dig the workouts!

As for some help...Ive always been a fan of opposing mvoements if I have to. My workouts are a 2 month cycle and I vary my planes and movements A because I feel it works better for me b/c I can put maximu effort into all my workouts and I'm not fatigued from secondary work and B my shoulder can't handle to much work on one plane. I could never do dips then pulldowns then high rows then deadlifts. Mys houlder would get beat up from all angles instead of back and forth like I do now.

Not sure if it helos just throwing out what i would do for my case! Everyone is different...not sure the science between which is beter but I know what i would do.



Posted by: Archangel

Thanks for the input Bolt, this concept is new to me, so I'm throwing it out there!!!



Posted by: CowPimp

Pretty much sounds like you got the idea. I wouldn't consider a rack deadlift a vertical pull (It's still a lower body movement really), but I don't think it works badly there. You are still getting a lot of stimulation on everything on your upper back. The idea is balance, so I think what you have is fine.

Have you considered using unilateral movements for the low body, like a lunge, instead of one of the other lower body movements?



Posted by: Burner02

Quote:
Originally Posted by Archangel View Post
Thanks for the input Bolt, this concept is new to me, so I'm throwing it out there!!!
heh...you said 'bolt'...reminds me of the movie, Bolt.
Now I'm gonna see DB post...I'll think: Zoom, zoom...




Posted by: JerseyDevil

Two thumbs up. That is a good looking routine.



Posted by: Archangel

Quote:
Originally Posted by CowPimp View Post
Pretty much sounds like you got the idea. I wouldn't consider a rack deadlift a vertical pull (It's still a lower body movement really), but I don't think it works badly there. You are still getting a lot of stimulation on everything on your upper back. The idea is balance, so I think what you have is fine.

Have you considered using unilateral movements for the low body, like a lunge, instead of one of the other lower body movements?
I appreciate your input CP, I guess I never really looked at the RD as a lower body movement, I guess cause it fries my upper back/traps area, so I assumed it was an upper body movement, but if its ok, then I'll keep her!!!
Never really tried Lunges, are they a Total leg movement, or more of a quad or ham movement??? Interesting though, I just might have to try that!!!

Quote:
Originally Posted by Burner02 View Post
heh...you said 'bolt'...reminds me of the movie, Bolt.
Now I'm gonna see DB post...I'll think: Zoom, zoom...
Still havn't seen this, I know, whats wrong with me, I have an 8 yr old daughter who has seen it 20 times, LoL!!!

Quote:
Originally Posted by JerseyDevil View Post
Two thumbs up. That is a good looking routine.
Thanks JD, gonna start that next month, finishing out this month on my current Push/Legs/Pull/Legs etc!!!



Posted by: Triple Threat

Quote:
Originally Posted by Archangel View Post
I guess I never really looked at the RD as a lower body movement, I guess cause it fries my upper back/traps area, so I assumed it was an upper body movement,
I also think of a rack DL as more upper body, since I feel the lifting from the floor hits the lower body. But if you eliminate the lower part of the lift, it seems to be more of an upper body lift. OK, now I'm confused.



Posted by: Burner02

Quote:
Originally Posted by Archangel View Post
Still havn't seen this, I know, whats wrong with me, I have an 8 yr old daughter who has seen it 20 times, LoL!!!
Its actually one of my favorite animated/CGI movies.



Posted by: Triple Threat

Quote:
Originally Posted by Archangel View Post
Is this a sound concept???
Should I mix them up instead of keeping them the same,
ex:
Horizontal Push-Upperbody
Vertical Pull-Upperbody
Legs
Aux

Am I making sense???
Yes.
No.
Yes.





My preference would be not to mix, ie, keep horizontal push/pull together and vertical push/pull together.



Posted by: CowPimp

Lunges hit everything pretty hard. However, it does depend on the type of lunge and the stride length. A longer stride tends to make the movement more hip-dominant. Walking lunges and reverse lunges also tend to be more hip-dominant, while the forward lunge moves along the continuum toward quad-dominance. Like I say though, any variation is great.



Posted by: Archangel

Quote:
Originally Posted by Triple Threat View Post
I also think of a rack DL as more upper body, since I feel the lifting from the floor hits the lower body. But if you eliminate the lower part of the lift, it seems to be more of an upper body lift. OK, now I'm confused.
LoL!!! Glad I'm not alone!!!

Quote:
Originally Posted by Burner02 View Post
Its actually one of my favorite animated/CGI movies.
Will have to check it out!!!

Quote:
Originally Posted by Triple Threat View Post
Yes.
No.
Yes.





My preference would be not to mix, ie, keep horizontal push/pull together and vertical push/pull together.
Completely understand, and am gonna use them the right way!!! Makes more sense that way too!!!

Quote:
Originally Posted by CowPimp View Post
Lunges hit everything pretty hard. However, it does depend on the type of lunge and the stride length. A longer stride tends to make the movement more hip-dominant. Walking lunges and reverse lunges also tend to be more hip-dominant, while the forward lunge moves along the continuum toward quad-dominance. Like I say though, any variation is great.
Got it, thanks again CP, much appreciated!!!



Posted by: JerseyDevil

I feel like spewing some words of wisdom. You can analyze all you want...

But imo.... it is far more the lifter doing the split, rather then the split the lifter chooses to do. Does that make sense? In otherwords, working hard is way more important then the actual workout chosen.

And Arch buddy, you do it 112%



Posted by: Double D

Right now I dont feel like thinking to give you a hand.....been working on routines all day, kinda spent. I will look tomorrow.



Posted by: Archangel

Quote:
Originally Posted by JerseyDevil View Post
I feel like spewing some words of wisdom. You can analyze all you want...

But imo.... it is far more the lifter doing the split, rather then the split the lifter chooses to do. Does that make sense? In otherwords, working hard is way more important then the actual workout chosen.

And Arch buddy, you do it 112%
Makes perfect sense to me!!! Thank you for the advice, and for the motivation my Friend!!!

Quote:
Originally Posted by Malley View Post
Right now I dont feel like thinking to give you a hand.....been working on routines all day, kinda spent. I will look tomorrow.
LoL!!! I hear ya!!!

Today
Legs/Abs

Squats (Just above parallel)
455x13
r/p
455x5
r/p
455x1

Leg Extensions
230x7
immediatly to:
Nautilus Leg Press
490x1 (10 count negative)
r/p
490x1 (10 count negative)
r/p
490x1 (5 count negative)
r/p
490x1 (Just tried to not slam the weight)

Nautilus Toe Press
300x11

Hypers
40x9

Abs
Leg raise (Held in the legs out position)
20 count

immediatly to:
Nautilus Abs
200x7

DONE

Walked on treadmill
10 minutes
Incline-4.0
Speed-4.0

MY WHEELS HURT!!!
Had the pins in right at parallel, tapped the pins a couple times during the set, just trying to see how low I can get comfortably, next time i MIGHT try full ATG, but not sure!!!

Negatives in the Leg press where tuff, the last rep I could barely hold the weight from crashing down, LoL!!! My partner was saying "Yeah, thats what I wanna see"!!!

Comments,question, critiques are ALL welcome!!!



Posted by: Stewart14

i guess I will just never understand how in the hell people like you can squat so much damn weight! I mean that's ridiculous there Archie. How do you do it? Honestly, I am so confused, are there some people who just anatomically aren't built to squat and therefore will never put up big numbers? Is it something everyone can do? I mean, I know I haven't trained the squat my whole life, but I have put a good 8 or so years into training it, and I have gotten nowhere.

Do back issues play a role? I have slight scoliosis? Maybe my leg length compared to my torso length is the problem? My torso is short compared to my legs? Do i just suck? you would think, even after messing around with all different types of routines that I should be doing better than I am. 385 tops at a powerlifting meet? Geez, I am 215 pounds, that sucks balls. I think the best multi rep set I've ever done was like 345 x 2.

Do you have any suggestions, I mean I really can't get any progress on it. Bench at least I got up to like 350ish and deads I did over 500 at the meet last year, so I know I've done ok on those, but squats are like my achilles heel, I just can't get into the 300s, let alone 400 like you.



Posted by: Burner02

...pretty ri-donk-u-lous up in here, Arch!
I saw a pic of a female with STG squats w/ 4 plates! WTF??? And she didn't look like a she-man...she looked like a woman...



Posted by: Archangel

Quote:
Originally Posted by Stewart14 View Post
i guess I will just never understand how in the hell people like you can squat so much damn weight! I mean that's ridiculous there Archie. How do you do it? Honestly, I am so confused, are there some people who just anatomically aren't built to squat and therefore will never put up big numbers? Is it something everyone can do? I mean, I know I haven't trained the squat my whole life, but I have put a good 8 or so years into training it, and I have gotten nowhere.

Do back issues play a role? I have slight scoliosis? Maybe my leg length compared to my torso length is the problem? My torso is short compared to my legs? Do i just suck? you would think, even after messing around with all different types of routines that I should be doing better than I am. 385 tops at a powerlifting meet? Geez, I am 215 pounds, that sucks balls. I think the best multi rep set I've ever done was like 345 x 2.

Do you have any suggestions, I mean I really can't get any progress on it. Bench at least I got up to like 350ish and deads I did over 500 at the meet last year, so I know I've done ok on those, but squats are like my achilles heel, I just can't get into the 300s, let alone 400 like you.
I have always loved squats, from High school all the way to now!!! It was the one movement I could hang with the big boys on the team you know!!! Where do you place the bar, I place it on my lower traps, not my neck, my stance is slightly wider than shoulders, any narrower and my hips explode!!! I also point my toes out slightly as well, I am 6'2" and weigh just about 230 (I know, I gotta lotta weight to lose), some people just cant do certain lifts (movements) that others can, my partner and I have the same leg length, but his torso is longer than mine, and he has problems with squats, but not deads, I have no problem with squats, but Deads DESTROY me, hence the reason I do Rack Deads!!! My only suggestion would be something you have no desire to do, LoL!!! Stay away from the volume, or..... Just do a few warm up sets on squats, and then give it ALL you got on 1 ALL OUT set on squats, then rest your legs for a minimum of 4 days, sorry my friend, thats my only idea!!!

Quote:
Originally Posted by Burner02 View Post
...pretty ri-donk-u-lous up in here, Arch!
I saw a pic of a female with STG squats w/ 4 plates! WTF??? And she didn't look like a she-man...she looked like a woman...
LoL!!! My ONLY lift I truly enjoy!!! There was a woman at my old gym who would squat, all the guys where googoo at her, I was amazed at the amount of weight she put up, and she was little bitty!!!



Posted by: sara

Quote:
Originally Posted by Burner02 View Post
...pretty ri-donk-u-lous up in here, Arch!
I saw a pic of a female with STG squats w/ 4 plates! WTF??? And she didn't look like a she-man...she looked like a woman...
Our girl "built" here squats like with 4 plates and she looks amazing!



Posted by: Archangel

Quote:
Originally Posted by sara View Post
Our girl "built" here squats like with 4 plates and she looks amazing!




Posted by: Burner02

Quote:
Originally Posted by sara View Post
Our girl "built" here squats like with 4 plates and she looks amazing!
she's not a girl...I have this theory..she's a Cyberdine T-3500 Terminator. Luckily, it seems someone intercepted her and reprogrammed her to be a force of good.




Posted by: Triple Threat

Quote:
Originally Posted by sara View Post
Our girl "built" here squats like with 4 plates and she looks amazing!
Is this for real? built is squatting 405?



Posted by: sara

Quote:
Originally Posted by Burner02 View Post
she's not a girl...I have this theory..she's a Cyberdine T-3500 Terminator. Luckily, it seems someone intercepted her and reprogrammed her to be a force of good.
I better not be on her bad side then



Posted by: sara

Quote:
Originally Posted by Triple Threat View Post
Is this for real? built is squatting 405?
Oh yea.. ask her



Posted by: Double D

But those squats are really ridiculous! Nice work!!!!!!!



Posted by: Archangel

Sorry guys, life got kinda busy, only had one workout this week (Monday), taking the rest of the week off, and starting back up on next wed!!! Going out of town this weekend, leaving friday morning and Riding up to Anemosa, Iowa with my Father-In-Law!!! We are gonna check out the Motorcycle museum and J&P Cycle up there, really looking forward to HITing the road and relaxing!!! Not sure if I'm gonna do that program I came up with or not yet, getting the diet in check, and possibly shooting for a contest next May in Des Moines, Iowa!!!

Mondays workout :

Chest/Delts/Triceps

RC=6/2/Explode/2
Incline DB Press
100x9

Pec Dec (Nautilus Incline)
130x7

immediatly to:

Dips
BWx6
r/p
2
r/p
1

Nautilus Laterals
145x9

immediatly to:

Nautilus Overhead Press
140x7

Seated Overhead DB Extensions
110x8

DONe, walked for 15 Minutes
4.0 Incline
4.0 Speed

Comments, Criticisms, ALL welcome!!!

Walking on the treadmill took longer than my workout, LoL!!!



Posted by: JerseyDevil

Quote:
Originally Posted by Archangel View Post
Sorry guys, life got kinda busy, only had one workout this week (Monday), taking the rest of the week off, and starting back up on next wed!!! Going out of town this weekend, leaving friday morning and Riding up to Anemosa, Iowa with my Father-In-Law!!! We are gonna check out the Motorcycle museum and J&P Cycle up there, really looking forward to HITing the road and relaxing!!! Not sure if I'm gonna do that program I came up with or not yet, getting the diet in check, and possibly shooting for a contest next May in Des Moines, Iowa!!!

Mondays workout :

Chest/Delts/Triceps

RC=6/2/Explode/2
Incline DB Press
100x9

Pec Dec (Nautilus Incline)
130x7

immediatly to:

Dips
BWx6
r/p
2
r/p
1

Nautilus Laterals
145x9

immediatly to:

Nautilus Overhead Press
140x7

Seated Overhead DB Extensions
110x8

DONe, walked for 15 Minutes
4.0 Incline
4.0 Speed

Comments, Criticisms, ALL welcome!!!

Walking on the treadmill took longer than my workout, LoL!!!
Nothing wrong with that workout.... ENJOY the trip!



Posted by: Burner02

You driving or riding?
I've been scouring craigslist for late model Yamaha R1's....it's perfect weather for riding here...and I'm jonesing HARD to ride...thinking of moving up to a liter size...



Posted by: Triple Threat

Yeah, your workouts still take less time than my warmups.



Posted by: Archangel

Quote:
Originally Posted by JerseyDevil View Post
Nothing wrong with that workout.... ENJOY the trip!
Thanks JD, much appreciated!!!

Quote:
Originally Posted by Burner02 View Post
You driving or riding?
I've been scouring craigslist for late model Yamaha R1's....it's perfect weather for riding here...and I'm jonesing HARD to ride...thinking of moving up to a liter size...
Riding!!! Can't wait, gonna be 300 miles ONE WAY!!! Lookin forward to it, I have a Honda 1300VTX C, this is my first long ride!!!

Quote:
Originally Posted by Triple Threat View Post
Yeah, your workouts still take less time than my warmups.
Oh my, no wonder people look at me like "Thats it"???



Posted by: sara

Quote:
Originally Posted by Archangel View Post
Sorry guys, life got kinda busy, only had one workout this week (Monday), taking the rest of the week off, and starting back up on next wed!!! Going out of town this weekend, leaving friday morning and Riding up to Anemosa, Iowa with my Father-In-Law!!! We are gonna check out the Motorcycle museum and J&P Cycle up there, really looking forward to HITing the road and relaxing!!! Not sure if I'm gonna do that program I came up with or not yet, getting the diet in check, and possibly shooting for a contest next May in Des Moines, Iowa!!!
Very Nice!



Posted by: Burner02

[quote=Archangel;1926053]
Riding!!! Can't wait, gonna be 300 miles ONE WAY!!! Lookin forward to it, I have a Honda 1300VTX C, this is my first long ride!!!
[quote]
Sounds like fun!
I still think about getting a cruiser...but with the 2-seat convertible...doesn't make sense...the spor bike is great for short trips...3-4 hours of hard riding or a day of leisure thru the mountains...but after that...oof.



Posted by: Double D

Dang Archie Ive never had success with hit training, but it obviously works for you! Keep up the hard work.



Posted by: Archangel

Quote:
Originally Posted by sara View Post
Very Nice!
It was, had a GREAT time!!!

Quote:
Originally Posted by Burner02 View Post
Sounds like fun!
I still think about getting a cruiser...but with the 2-seat convertible...doesn't make sense...the spor bike is great for short trips...3-4 hours of hard riding or a day of leisure thru the mountains...but after that...oof.
Never catch me on a sport bike, I'm a Croooooooooooooooooooooozin type of Rider , LoL!!!

Quote:
Originally Posted by Malley View Post
Dang Archie Ive never had success with hit training, but it obviously works for you! Keep up the hard work.
Different strokes for different folks my Friend, Thanks for the positive comments, Best wishes to you as well!!!



Posted by: JerseyDevil

Keep on, keeping on



Posted by: Burner02

Quote:
Originally Posted by Archangel View Post
It was, had a GREAT time!!!


Never catch me on a sport bike, I'm a Croooooooooooooooooooooozin type of Rider , LoL!!!


Different strokes for different folks my Friend, Thanks for the positive comments, Best wishes to you as well!!!
Wel...you never catch me on my sport bike..... see? eh??? Like the play on words?


I like the idea of a cruiser...but I've got that two seat convertible...
now...if I could have a cruiser, sport bike AND convertible...AND truck...I'd have to stay here a LONG time...



Posted by: Archangel

Quote:
Originally Posted by Burner02 View Post
Wel...you never catch me on my sport bike..... see? eh??? Like the play on words?


I like the idea of a cruiser...but I've got that two seat convertible...
now...if I could have a cruiser, sport bike AND convertible...AND truck...I'd have to stay here a LONG time...


I hear ya my Friend!!!



Posted by: Archangel

Today
Legs/Chest/Biceps

Squats
495x8

Leg Press
490x10
r/p
2
r/p
1

Incline Bench Press
225x8
r/p
3
r/p
2

Pec Dec
130x7

Preacher Curls (cable)
Plate #9 x 6

DONE

Walk on Treadmill
10 Minutes
4.5 Incline
4.0 Speed

RC=5/2/Explode/2

With the exception of squats, no pause anywhere, just a 5 count on the negative!!!

Comments or criticisms welcomed!!!



Posted by: WantItBad





Posted by: Burner02

...back in the saddle again, Easy Rider?




Posted by: JerseyDevil

Quote:
Originally Posted by Archangel View Post
Today
Legs/Chest/Biceps

Squats
495x8

Leg Press
490x10
r/p
2
r/p
1

Incline Bench Press
225x8
r/p
3
r/p
2

Pec Dec
130x7

Preacher Curls (cable)
Plate #9 x 6

DONE

Walk on Treadmill
10 Minutes
4.5 Incline
4.0 Speed

RC=5/2/Explode/2
You go Arch!



Posted by: Double D

Just ridiculous squats!



Posted by: Archangel

Thanks everyone!!! Doin a different routine now, so feelin the weights out for now, the Squats really felt heavy, hopefully because it was my first return in almost 2 weeks or so, will be ready next time to get a better result!!!



Posted by: katt

Great workout!!

oh yeah, on Burners journal I was the one that asked him to be my friend..

and you know there are 500 Mike Stevens on Facebook? PM me your email addy so I can look you up.. But I'm NOT playing Mafia Wars... lol



Posted by: Burner02

Quote:
Originally Posted by Archangel View Post
Thanks everyone!!! Doin a different routine now, so feelin the weights out for now, the Squats really felt heavy, hopefully because it was my first return in almost 2 weeks or so, will be ready next time to get a better result!!!
um...yeah...'cause when I am trying out a new routnie, I put nearly 500lbs on my back.
Stop dilly-dally-ing around and make an effort, would ya? Sheesh!




Posted by: Triple Threat

Quote:
Originally Posted by Burner02 View Post
um...yeah...'cause when I am trying out a new routnie, I put nearly 500lbs on my back.
Stop dilly-dally-ing around and make an effort, would ya? Sheesh!
Cut him some slack, Burner. He was just starting out easy.



Posted by: sara

Quote:
Originally Posted by Burner02 View Post
u'm...yeah...'cause when I am trying out a new routnie, I put nearly 500lbs on my back.
Stop dilly-dally-ing around and make an effort, would ya? Sheesh!
Really? I am 5'3'' and used to leg press 375 lbs 15 reps!
I read your leg pressing log , be nice to Archy



Posted by: yellowmoomba

Quote:
Originally Posted by Malley View Post
Just ridiculous squats!
No doubt

Nice work AA!!!



Posted by: Burner02

Archie! Ditto on what Katt said!Man, there are a lot of Mike Stevens! I know...only ONE Archie!
I gave up after the 1st 100.
So, you will either have to:
1) Change your name to Lenny Lipshitz
2) Add either Katt or myself or someone else so we can find ya.



Posted by: Burner02

Quote:
Originally Posted by sara View Post
Really? I am 5'3'' and used to leg press 375 lbs 15 reps!
I read your leg pressing log , be nice to Archy
whatcha trying to say?
And...I"m always nice to Archie....everybody else to...



Posted by: DeadBolt

Quote:
Originally Posted by katt View Post
Great workout!!

oh yeah, on Burners journal I was the one that asked him to be my friend..

and you know there are 500 Mike Stevens on Facebook? PM me your email addy so I can look you up.. But I'm NOT playing Mafia Wars... lol
LOL yea Im about done with them damn facebook games!

Big archi damn fine work! I hear ya on lifes crazy i had to re arrange my workouts tis week as well so I'm runnign behind! Your workouts are sick as always man...keep it up!



Posted by: Archangel

Thank you everyone, Sara, I think he was bein silly, Burners AWESOME, so all is well!!!

Today 10-2-09

Back/Delts/Triceps

Rack Deads (pins right at knee level)
475x13

DB Pullovers
70x13

Hi-Rows
245x1
r/p
1
r/p
1
r/p
1

Overhead DB Shoulder Press
70x12

Overhead DB Extensions
110x10

DONE

Walked on treadmill for 10 minutes
5.0 Incline
4.5 Speed

Tried a Mentzer rest/pause with the Hi-Rows, and LOVED it, might incorporate that on the main lifts (Squats/Bench/Racks) not sure though, first go around with this routine, liked it, but not sold, we'll see LoL!!!

Comments and Criticisms are welcome!!! Hope all is well, enjoy the weekend, I unfortunatly have to work a whole day tomorrow, so up at 4am another day, oh well......

GOD speed you ALL!!!



Posted by: sara

Quote:
Originally Posted by Archangel View Post
Thank you everyone, Sara, I think he was bein silly, Burners AWESOME, so all is well!!!
I hope so



Posted by: Archangel

Quote:
Originally Posted by sara View Post
I hope so
Good to know you got my back, you need me, I'm there!!!



Posted by: JerseyDevil

Quote:
Originally Posted by Archangel View Post
Rack Deads (pins right at knee level)
475x13
enuf said



Posted by: Archangel

Quote:
Originally Posted by JerseyDevil View Post
enuf said
Thanks JD, appreciate that my Friend!!!



Posted by: WantItBad

you should powerlift I think if you trained for it you would be unstoppable



Posted by: katt

Nice work Arch

ok, so I am playing Mafia Wars... but I just don't get it I've fought 7 times and lost 6 of them... fought my boss twice and won.. did some rackets...

whats the point?



Posted by: Archangel

Quote:
Originally Posted by WantItBad View Post
you should powerlift I think if you trained for it you would be unstoppable
Thanks but no thanks, I just turned 40, and have no chance of competeing like that, but I appreciate your kind words my Friend!!!


Quote:
Originally Posted by katt View Post
Nice work Arch

ok, so I am playing Mafia Wars... but I just don't get it I've fought 7 times and lost 6 of them... fought my boss twice and won.. did some rackets...

whats the point?
Thanks Katt!!!

You gotta build up your character and mafia, ALWAYS fight a lower opponent and one with less mafia members as you, add me, and others, you will be addicted, trust me!!!



Posted by: katt

Quote:
Originally Posted by Archangel View Post
Thanks but no thanks, I just turned 40, and have no chance of competeing like that, but I appreciate your kind words my Friend!!!




Thanks Katt!!!

You gotta build up your character and mafia, ALWAYS fight a lower opponent and one with less mafia members as you, add me, and others, you will be addicted, trust me!!!
I think I am in your mafia??? It says 16 people and you show up ??



Posted by: Archangel

Quote:
Originally Posted by katt View Post
I think I am in your mafia??? It says 16 people and you show up ??
Sweet, just to be safe, I'll send you a request again!!!



Posted by: katt

ok so tell me if I'm on the right track here.... since I'm new and all

I go in and do jobs till my energy is down, then I come back later when it's restored to do more jobs.

Each time I put all my money in the bank, because I read somewhere that you can get it stolen...

when I get points, I am putting them toward energy first and then other things later..

Am I going in the right direction here? I think I'm done fighting for a while



Posted by: Archangel

Quote:
Originally Posted by katt View Post
ok so tell me if I'm on the right track here.... since I'm new and all

I go in and do jobs till my energy is down, then I come back later when it's restored to do more jobs.

Each time I put all my money in the bank, because I read somewhere that you can get it stolen...

when I get points, I am putting them toward energy first and then other things later..

Am I going in the right direction here? I think I'm done fighting for a while
Awesome, I personally put 2 in defense, 1 in attack, and 2 in energy for a while, you want a high defense so people cant attack you too easy!!! Also, when you buy buildings, get as many mafia mikes as you can, because they can't be robbed!!! I'm tellin ya girl, its addictive!!!



Posted by: katt

yeah I can see that... TOH wants me to quit playing it..



Posted by: JerseyDevil

Quote:
Originally Posted by Archangel View Post
Awesome, I personally put 2 in defense, 1 in attack, and 2 in energy for a while, you want a high defense so people cant attack you too easy!!! Also, when you buy buildings, get as many mafia mikes as you can, because they can't be robbed!!! I'm tellin ya girl, its addictive!!!
WTF are you guys talking about?



Posted by: Archangel

Quote:
Originally Posted by katt View Post
yeah I can see that... TOH wants me to quit playing it..
Told you,LoL!!!

Quote:
Originally Posted by JerseyDevil View Post
WTF are you guys talking about?




Posted by: Archangel

Today 10-7-09

New routine for the next 6 weeks

"Crazy 8's"
8 rep limit
1 rep at a time
rest 8 seconds in between reps
8 count negative
Explode on the positive
2 count contraction

M,F,W,M,F,W schedule

Incline Bench
265x8

Dips
BW+65x8

Pec Dec
205x8

Cybex Tricep Extensions
145x8

Cybex Abs
190x6

Walked on treadmill
10 minutes
5.0 Incline
4.0 Speed

DONE!!!



Posted by: sara

I like the new routine



Posted by: Triple Threat

Hey, now I can call your workout crazy. On the incline bench, are you racking the bar during the 8 second rest?



Posted by: Archangel

Quote:
Originally Posted by sara View Post
I like the new routine
Thanks Sara, appreciate that!!!

Quote:
Originally Posted by Triple Threat View Post
Hey, now I can call your workout crazy. On the incline bench, are you racking the bar during the 8 second rest?
LoL!!! Yes, sorry, should have mentioned that!!!



Posted by: Triple Threat

So is that something like the cluster reps that Stewart is doing?



Posted by: Archangel

Quote:
Originally Posted by Triple Threat View Post
So is that something like the cluster reps that Stewart is doing?
Yes itis, VERY similar, mine is based on the "Rest/Pause" by Mike Mentzer, where it's your ALL out max for 1 rep, of course I do not do that much, I adjust a little lower, experimenting with it right now!!!



Anyway, been working like crazy, had no time to post until now, so here are my last 2 workouts, Mon - Back - Today - Legs

Mon:

Rack Deads (Pins right at knee level)
495x11

DB Pullovers (1 all out set)
80x11

Hi-Rows
205x7

Preacher Curls
70x14

Walked on treadmill
Incline:4.5
Speed:4.0


Today

Squats (Pins just above parallel)
505x10

Extensions
250x11

Toe Presses
350x6

DONE!!!
Walked on Treadmill : 10 Minutes
Incline:5.0
Speed:4.5

Squats... OMG, these felt HEAVY, I would do 1, and instead of racking (too much movement and would have robbed my strength) I would stand and take 2 big breaths and descend into another rep and repeat until I barely made it up on the last one!!!

Comments and or Critiques are welcome!!!

Also..............

Changing up my routine after next week, (doing chest on wed) then will be on a M,F schedule with Mondays beeing an Upper Body workout with Fridays being Lower!!!

Trying a new idea as well, what thinks you??? I will be using CG Pullups as a Bicep movement and doing them on Chest day (I suck at pullups, so thinking I will be stronger and fresher doing these on Chest day!!!

Dips for Triceps on Back day (same thinking as biceps)

So it will look like this:
Week 1
Monday
Back
Rack Deads
Pullovers
Hi-Rows
Dips
optional - Abs

Friday
Squats
Extensions
Leg Curls
Toe Presses
optional - Abs

Week 2
Monday
Chest/Delts
Incline Bench
Flyes
Overhead Press
Pullups
optional - Abs

Friday
Same as above

Rinse and repeat...........

Just an idea!!!



Posted by: DangerousK

I don't normally use the word dude, but dude...you're a freak. Haha. Never mind squatting, I think just the act of holding 505 lbs on my back would cause my body to spontaneously collapse into a pile of goo. Haha! I don't know if that's extremely inspiring or depressing to me (considering I currently max out using about half of whatever weight you would use warm up with, LOL), but keep up the awesome work, man!



Posted by: Archangel

Quote:
Originally Posted by DangerousK View Post
I don't normally use the word dude, but dude...you're a freak. Haha. Never mind squatting, I think just the act of holding 505 lbs on my back would cause my body to spontaneously collapse into a pile of goo. Haha! I don't know if that's extremely inspiring or depressing to me (considering I currently max out using about half of whatever weight you would use warm up with, LOL), but keep up the awesome work, man!
Thanks for the compliment, appreciate that!!! Do not sell yourself short my friend, Believe To Achieve, your doin great imo!!!



Posted by: Archangel

Ok, have thought about it some more, what do you all think???

Week 1
Monday-Upper Pull
Back
Rack Deads
Pullovers
Hi-Rows
Dips
optional - Abs

Friday-Lower
Legs
Squats
Extensions
Leg Curls
Toe Presses
optional - Abs

Week 2
Monday-Upper Push
Chest
Incline Bench
Flyes
CG Bench Press
Pullups
optional - Abs

Friday
Same as above

Don't forget I'm using CG Pullups as a bicep exercise and Dips as a tricep exercise on the opposite days, my thinking is to keep those muscles fresh and possibly improve on these exercises, not to mention the extra trickle effect for the other bodyparts!!!



Posted by: Burner02

awesome! so....how long are these workouts?



Posted by: WantItBad

Quote:
Originally Posted by Burner02 View Post
awesome! so....how long are these workouts?


65 seconds with over lap in excersises



Posted by: Triple Threat

Push/Pull/Legs is one of the schemes I use, although I workout a little more frequently than what you will be doing.

With the amount of time off between workouts, I think that you can get away with the bicep/tricep switch.



Posted by: Archangel

Quote:
Originally Posted by Burner02 View Post
awesome! so....how long are these workouts?
@10 minutes

Quote:
Originally Posted by WantItBad View Post
65 seconds with over lap in excersises


Quote:
Originally Posted by Triple Threat View Post
Push/Pull/Legs is one of the schemes I use, although I workout a little more frequently than what you will be doing.

With the amount of time off between workouts, I think that you can get away with the bicep/tricep switch.
You people and your frequency

Thats where I stand right now, gonna see if I change it before next week



Posted by: Burner02

Quote:
Originally Posted by Archangel View Post
Thats where I stand right now, gonna see if I change it before next week
you been taking after stewarts plan of daily routine changes?




Posted by: JerseyDevil

Quote:
Originally Posted by Archangel View Post
Ok, have thought about it some more, what do you all think???

Week 1
Monday-Upper Pull
Back
Rack Deads
Pullovers
Hi-Rows
Dips
optional - Abs

Friday-Lower
Legs
Squats
Extensions
Leg Curls
Toe Presses
optional - Abs

Week 2
Monday-Upper Push
Chest
Incline Bench
Flyes
CG Bench Press
Pullups
optional - Abs

Friday
Same as above

Don't forget I'm using CG Pullups as a bicep exercise and Dips as a tricep exercise on the opposite days, my thinking is to keep those muscles fresh and possibly improve on these exercises, not to mention the extra trickle effect for the other bodyparts!!!
Love the selection. How many warm up sets/reps?



Posted by: Archangel

Quote:
Originally Posted by Burner02 View Post
you been taking after stewarts plan of daily routine changes?
One things for sure with The Angelman, and that's......

"Nothin' is for sure"!!!

Going with a fullbody routine 3x/week using 2 alternating routines!!!

A
Squats
Pullups
Incline Bench
Shoulder Press
Preacher Curls
Overhead Extensions

B
Leg Press
Hi-Rows
Dips
Laterals
DB Hammer Curls
Close-Grip Bench Press

There you have it......

Critiques or comments welcomed!!!

GOD Speed you ALL!!!



Posted by: Double D

Are you going to do different variants for each exercises? Like for instance squat are you going to do back squats, then the next time hack squats, then the next time split squats......etc?



Posted by: Archangel

Quote:
Originally Posted by Double D View Post
Are you going to do different variants for each exercises? Like for instance squat are you going to do back squats, then the next time hack squats, then the next time split squats......etc?
Not going to do a variation, will be plain and stripped down, what you see is what you get so to speak!!! Will be one ALL out set, no extra or forced reps, will do each set till another rep just cant be done, then move on!!! Also will be upping the cardio as well (Will be jumping rope on off days) The next 6 weeks (starting on Monday of next week) will be a maintanance (Muscle) phase while cutting!!!

With the exception of wednesday the 28th, will skip my workout due to plans already made!!!



Posted by: JerseyDevil

Quote:
Originally Posted by Archangel View Post

A
Squats
Pullups
Incline Bench
Shoulder Press
Preacher Curls
Overhead Extensions

B
Leg Press
Hi-Rows
Dips
Laterals
DB Hammer Curls
Close-Grip Bench Press
I LIKE it! I have been moving closer to full body workouts and less time in the gym, and your selection is appealing to me. I do like doing more warm up sets, but some of that is to warm up my arthritic elbows. You probably already do, but can you list your warm up sets and indicate that, as well?

Gee, can Jersey be a HIT convert? I will be following Arch.



Posted by: Stewart14

Quote:
Originally Posted by Burner02 View Post
you been taking after stewarts plan of daily routine changes?
touche



Posted by: Stewart14

Quote:
Originally Posted by Archangel View Post
One things for sure with The Angelman, and that's......

"Nothin' is for sure"!!!

Going with a fullbody routine 3x/week using 2 alternating routines!!!

A
Squats
Pullups
Incline Bench
Shoulder Press
Preacher Curls
Overhead Extensions

B
Leg Press
Hi-Rows
Dips
Laterals
DB Hammer Curls
Close-Grip Bench Press

There you have it......

Critiques or comments welcomed!!!

GOD Speed you ALL!!!
if it's one set per exercise, then I think you should be ok with all those exercises each day. I would switch the shoulder press and the laterals though, incline bench is pretty close to shoulder press, so maybe switch that up.

Also, i think you should add in more back work to be honest. I think the back can take a lot of exercises, so maybe do a pullup and row variation on each day.

I know you are doing this with the bodybuilding angle in mind, but I think you can do this much more effectively by eliminating some of the exercises and just adding, dare I say it, more sets of each. Like a squat, bench variation, row variation on day one, and a deadlift variation, overhead press, and pullup on day two.

Or, ever given any thought to DC training? That would be right up your alley archie



Posted by: Archangel

Quote:
Originally Posted by JerseyDevil View Post
I LIKE it! I have been moving closer to full body workouts and less time in the gym, and your selection is appealing to me. I do like doing more warm up sets, but some of that is to warm up my arthritic elbows. You probably already do, but can you list your warm up sets and indicate that, as well?

Gee, can Jersey be a HIT convert? I will be following Arch.
Oh believe me my Friend, I warmup EVERYTIME, I just don't post that, but will gladly post up what I do for you my Friend!!!

I usually do The big movers of that day, depending on the routine, but since it's a fullbody for a while, I will pick "The Big 3" and do 3 warmup sets each, something like this:
Fast pace to get the body AND mind ready for destruction LoL!!!
Squats 1x10,1x6,1x2
Hi-Rows 1x8,1x4,1x2
Pec Dec 1x8,1x4,1x2
Rotator Cuff work 1x20 (LIGHT DB's, only the 5#DB)

I do the Squat, then immediatly to the Back, then to the Chest, I go as fast as I can between the 3, with no rest as soon as I finish each its on to the next one, I go really slow with the reps, i warmup the joints REAL good this way, then when I'm done with each go around, my partner and I reload and I go again, then when I'm done with the big 3 warmups, I do a set of Cuff work, then I wait a couple of minutes, then go to WORK!!! Hope that helps, and would LOVE to have ya on the HIT Train my Friend!!!




Quote:
Originally Posted by Stewart14 View Post
if it's one set per exercise, then I think you should be ok with all those exercises each day. I would switch the shoulder press and the laterals though, incline bench is pretty close to shoulder press, so maybe switch that up.

Also, i think you should add in more back work to be honest. I think the back can take a lot of exercises, so maybe do a pullup and row variation on each day.

I know you are doing this with the bodybuilding angle in mind, but I think you can do this much more effectively by eliminating some of the exercises and just adding, dare I say it, more sets of each. Like a squat, bench variation, row variation on day one, and a deadlift variation, overhead press, and pullup on day two.

Or, ever given any thought to DC training? That would be right up your alley archie
Good points my Friend, I'm really not approaching this to grow, but more as a maintanance program to strip away some bodyfat!!! I thought about switching the presses with laterals, but the presses and dips in the same workout, really kill my shoulder, so we will see!!!

I have done the DC training, and I liked it ALOT, but going a different route this go around, so thats why I think I will be ok, we'll see, I just might not be able to complete this, just an experiment I'm trying!!!

Yes, it is only 1 set per exercise!!!



Posted by: JerseyDevil

Thanks Arch! That is helpful.

I like DC training as well. imo, it must be cycled in and out, too intense as a regular routine. In Pfunk's program, which I liked, but felt even the 'low volume' workouts where too high volume, his weeks 9-12 included that type of wo.



Posted by: Burner02

How do you like the jump roping? I brought one with me...just get bored real quick with it...oh..and not that coordinated with it yet...



Posted by: Archangel

Quote:
Originally Posted by JerseyDevil View Post
Thanks Arch! That is helpful.

I like DC training as well. imo, it must be cycled in and out, too intense as a regular routine. In Pfunk's program, which I liked, but felt even the 'low volume' workouts where too high volume, his weeks 9-12 included that type of wo.
Glad its helpful, sometimes I feel like I ramble on LoL!!!
I agree with you my Friend, WE as a whole have to find out what works best for us, and for me it's HIT, For others it's Volume, as long as we are doing it, it's right, right??? You always seem to split your routines up very nice imo, if ya want on the HIT train my Friend, there is ALWAYS room!!!


Quote:
Originally Posted by Burner02 View Post
How do you like the jump roping? I brought one with me...just get bored real quick with it...oh..and not that coordinated with it yet...
LOVE it my Friend!!! One of the best exercises imo it's the equivalent of swimming on land!!! Really, you get bored??? Try switchin it up, double jump for 30 seconds, then back to normal, or running while jumping, or do what I mostly do........... Daydream!!!



Today 10.26.09

RC=5/1/explode/1

Flex Leg Press
465x13

Hi-Rows
165x10

Dips
BW+60x9

Flex Laterals
140x7

Standing DB Hammer Curls
45x6 (together) + 2 Singles each arm

Close Grip, Reverse Grip Bench Press
205x9

Done...................

Walk on treadmill
10 minutes
4.0 Incline
4.0 Speed

Comments or Critiques are more than welcomed!!!

GOD Speed everyone!!!
460x13



Posted by: Triple Threat

Quote:
Originally Posted by Archangel View Post
LOVE it my Friend!!! One of the best exercises imo it's the equivalent of swimming on land!!! Really, you get bored??? Try switchin it up, double jump for 30 seconds, then back to normal, or running while jumping, or do what I mostly do........... Daydream!!!
That's one thing I could never do. I think I can get 1 rep.



Posted by: yellowmoomba

Good luck with HIT. I made good strength gains on it for about 5 - 6 weeks. The hard part was only lifting for about 20 minutes (being a gym rat I wanted to do more).



Posted by: yellowmoomba

Quote:
A
Squats
Pullups
Incline Bench
Shoulder Press
Preacher Curls
Overhead Extensions
I would change the order to ....

Squat
Shoulder Press
Pullups
Incline Bench
Weighted Chins (replace Preachers)
Overhead Extentions

Just my $0.02



Posted by: Archangel

Hello everyone, hope ALL is well with you ALL!!!

Doing a different routine (Suprise LoL)

Alternating 2 routines on a M,W,F schedule,
1 ALL out set
3 Movements per workout
Rep Cadence is 6/pause/explode/2
Rep Range :
Legs=15 reps, then will increase weight
Back=12 reps, then will increase weight
Chest=10 reps, then will increase weight
20 minutes of cardio afterwards

A
Squats
Pullups
Dips

B
Leg Press
Hi-Rows ( similar to Dorian Yates's Rows)
Incline Bench

Today
11.4
B
Leg Press (Flex)
470x13

Hi-Rows (Underhand grip)
170x10

Incline Bench
215x12

Elliptical
20 minutes
level 6

Comments or Critiques always welcomed!!!



Posted by: Triple Threat

Short and sweet, eh Arch?



Posted by: Archangel

Quote:
Originally Posted by Triple Threat View Post
Short and sweet, eh Arch?
Thats me!!!

Skipping the accessory work for a while, Get stronger on the Big 3 Movers, never seen someone who can Squat/Bench/Row halfway decent #'s have small arms or shoulders ya know???



Posted by: Burner02

Quote:
Originally Posted by Archangel View Post
Thats me!!!

Skipping the accessory work for a while, Get stronger on the Big 3 Movers, never seen someone who can Squat/Bench/Row halfway decent #'s have small arms or shoulders ya know???
Hi- I"m Mike...we haven't met????
I was looking thru old pics...'03 was my best year to date....(I know...)
I could bench 315...squat nearly 400...dead lift 405....blah...blah...small arms.

The tendonitis in the biceps will proll keep me from ever having nice size in the front...



Posted by: Archangel

Quote:
Originally Posted by Burner02 View Post
Hi- I"m Mike...we haven't met????
I was looking thru old pics...'03 was my best year to date....(I know...)
I could bench 315...squat nearly 400...dead lift 405....blah...blah...small arms.

The tendonitis in the biceps will proll keep me from ever having nice size in the front...
Small??? As compared to what??? I think your being hard on yourself!!!





Today
11.6.09

RC=6/2/explode/slight pause

Squats (Just below parallel)
335x21

Pullups
BWx8

Dips
BW+65x10

Treadmill
Incline-5.0
Speed-4.0
Time:20 minutes

DONE!!!

Comments, criticisms are ALL welcomed!!!



Posted by: DangerousK

Quote:
Originally Posted by Archangel View Post
Small??? As compared to what??? I think your being hard on yourself!!!





Today
11.6.09

RC=6/2/explode/slight pause

Squats (Just below parallel)
335x21


Pullups
BWx8

Dips
BW+65x10

Treadmill
Incline-5.0
Speed-4.0
Time:20 minutes

DONE!!!

Comments, criticisms are ALL welcomed!!!


I'm throwing up just reading that. LOL. INSANE! That's amazing, man. Great job!



Posted by: Archangel

Quote:
Originally Posted by DangerousK View Post


I'm throwing up just reading that. LOL. INSANE! That's amazing, man. Great job!
Thank you my Friend, I appreciate that more than you know!!! I have decided to drop the weight down considerably (had done 505x10 just above parallel) and was not happy, so I dropped down to 335 and shot for 15 max, so I will increase by @10 pounds next time, wish me luck!!!



Posted by: Triple Threat

Quote:
Originally Posted by Archangel View Post
Squats (Just below parallel)
335x21




Posted by: Burner02

Quote:
Originally Posted by Archangel View Post
Small??? As compared to what??? I think your being hard on yourself!!!

Squats (Just below parallel)
335x21
Hey buddy!
Caompared to...you....Stew...D....you know...big guys. I will have to go back and tape 1st thing in the am tomorrow, but I think my arms are still hanging cold in the 13" range, maybe 14 if lucky....and that's still with a lyer of fat on them...

Are those free weight squats? Ho-lee-moley, batman!



Posted by: Archangel

Quote:
Originally Posted by Triple Threat View Post
Thank you my Friend, and right back to ya with your Deads!!!

Quote:
Originally Posted by Burner02 View Post
Hey buddy!
Caompared to...you....Stew...D....you know...big guys. I will have to go back and tape 1st thing in the am tomorrow, but I think my arms are still hanging cold in the 13" range, maybe 14 if lucky....and that's still with a lyer of fat on them...

Are those free weight squats? Ho-lee-moley, batman!
Hey now, Thats bigger than the average bear my Friend, I sincerely believe your being too hard on yourself!!!

Yes sir, free weights ALWAYS on the Squats, thank you for the positive feedback!!!



Posted by: Pylon





Posted by: Archangel

Whats up Pylon??? Hope all is well my Friend!!!

Today
11.9.09

RC=6/2/explode/1

Flex Leg Press
470x18

Hi-Rows (Underhand grip)
170x13

Incline Bench
225x10

Elliptical
20 minutes
Varied speeds

Done, short, sweet, and simple!!!



Posted by: Pylon

Well played, sir!

Been busy. Let's get together and catch up some time!



Posted by: JerseyDevil

Quote:
Originally Posted by Archangel View Post
Incline Bench
225x10

Elliptical
20 minutes
Varied speeds
Great incline!

Nice to see you on the elliptical



Posted by: Double D

Is everything to failure?



Posted by: Archangel

Quote:
Originally Posted by Pylon View Post
Well played, sir!

Been busy. Let's get together and catch up some time!
Thank you my Friend!!! Definatly, soon too!!!

Quote:
Originally Posted by JerseyDevil View Post
Great incline!

Nice to see you on the elliptical
Thank you JD, appreciate that, I need the elliptical, LoL!!!



Quote:
Originally Posted by Double D View Post
Is everything to failure?
Yes, but only positive failure, no negatives, only done till I can't lift or pull another rep, and my partner helps just enough to basically get 1 forced rep, and then done, hitting again in a couple of days, so do not wanna dig the ditch too deep!!!



Posted by: Burner02

Quote:
Originally Posted by Archangel View Post
Incline Bench
225x10
Cant wait till I can do this!!!!!



Posted by: DangerousK

Quote:
Originally Posted by Burner02 View Post
Cant wait till I can do this!!!!!
I can't wait until I can do anything he does. Even the elliptical. LOL.



Posted by: Archangel

Quote:
Originally Posted by Burner02 View Post
Cant wait till I can do this!!!!!
Just take it slow my Friend!!!

Quote:
Originally Posted by DangerousK View Post
I can't wait until I can do anything he does. Even the elliptical. LOL.
Hey now, you stop sellin yourself short, your doin a great job, keep it up!!!



Posted by: Pylon

Hey Archie, started the program you sent me today. Not pushing real loads yet, but I can already tell what it will be like. Thanks again!



Posted by: Archangel

Quote:
Originally Posted by Pylon View Post
Hey Archie, started the program you sent me today. Not pushing real loads yet, but I can already tell what it will be like. Thanks again!
Awesome, No problem my Friend, glad to help!!!



Posted by: Gazhole

Workouts are looking great, man!

Those squats on the last page made me lightheaded, nice work



Posted by: Burner02

Hey Archie!
You have any contests coming up?



Posted by: Archangel

Quote:
Originally Posted by Gazhole View Post
Workouts are looking great, man!

Those squats on the last page made me lightheaded, nice work
Thank you my Friend, appreciate you droppin in!!!

Squats are the one thing I can do decently, thanks for the positive feedback!!!


Quote:
Originally Posted by Burner02 View Post
Hey Archie!
You have any contests coming up?
Possibly one in April, not sure though, checking into my asthma medications as I type!!!







Today 11.18.09

RC=5/pause/explode/5

LEGS

Squats (Below Parallel)
365x18

Leg Curls
170x13

Leg Extensions
170x11

Seated Calf Raises
100x19

Treadmill
Incline 5.0
Speed 4.0
Brisk Walk
20 Minutes

DONE!!!

Ok, going with my Hybrid version of the Heavy Duty Routine...

Mon-Chest/Back
Wed-Legs
Fri-Delts/Bi's/Tri's

Going to do 1-4 exercises per bodypart :
Larger bodyparts like legs will obviously have higher amounts of stimulation needed, while smaller groups like biceps, will need less direct stimulation!!!

1st exercise (compound) will be heavier, ALL OUT, this is the Bread and Butter for the workout, thus shooting for the 6 rep range (I way underestimated the Squats, LoL)


2nd-4th exercise will be used primarily as a flusher so to speak, so the rep range I will be shooting for is 12!!!

As always, comments and questions are WELCOMED!!!



Posted by: DangerousK

Every time I see your squat numbers, I literally just laugh out loud. That's crazy. You are the man! That's all I can really say, my friend.



Posted by: Burner02

Quote:
Originally Posted by Archangel View Post
Going to do 1-4 exercises per bodypart :
Larger bodyparts like legs will obviously have higher amounts of stimulation needed, while smaller groups like biceps, will need less direct stimulation!!!

1st exercise (compound) will be heavier, ALL OUT, this is the Bread and Butter for the workout, thus shooting for the 6 rep range (I way underestimated the Squats, LoL)


2nd-4th exercise will be used primarily as a flusher so to speak, so the rep range I will be shooting for is 12!!!

As always, comments and questions are WELCOMED!!!
Hey Arch!
See? THIS is what I'm gonna be doing! But...only have time to fit one BP!

i'm still gonna keep my RI's to a minimum to hit all sets and exercises.

BTW...parotting the others...DA'AM! those squats are off the hook! That's free weight BB squats?

I think I'd like to sit back and watch you grind those reps out, pal! Get me all motivated like....



Posted by: Triple Threat

Quote:
Originally Posted by Archangel View Post
Squats are the one thing I can do decently,
Decently? You squat mega-weights for mega-reps and the best you can come up with is decently? Arch, you're well past decently.



Posted by: Gazhole

Quote:
Originally Posted by Archangel View Post
Thank you my Friend, appreciate you droppin in!!!

Squats are the one thing I can do decently, thanks for the positive feedback!!!
Credit where credit is due, bro

Inspiring to me because Squats have always been a weak point, haha!



Posted by: JerseyDevil

Arch Is The Squatmaster!



Posted by: Archangel

Quote:
Originally Posted by DangerousK View Post
Every time I see your squat numbers, I literally just laugh out loud. That's crazy. You are the man! That's all I can really say, my friend.
I thank you my Friend, I appreciate the kind words!!!


Quote:
Originally Posted by Burner02 View Post
Hey Arch!
See? THIS is what I'm gonna be doing! But...only have time to fit one BP!

i'm still gonna keep my RI's to a minimum to hit all sets and exercises.

BTW...parotting the others...DA'AM! those squats are off the hook! That's free weight BB squats?

I think I'd like to sit back and watch you grind those reps out, pal! Get me all motivated like....
Then "Nike" it, you know, Just Do IT, LoL!!! Seriously my Friend, do it, try doing only one exercise per BP, and do the "Set Extenders" with them (rest/pause) and get outta the gym and recover and GROW!!!

Yes, they are Free weight Squats, ( If the bar aint bendin, I'm just pretendin ) Thanks again, you guys help keep me motivated!!! I'm gonna have to get video of them sometime, so you guys can laugh at my PAIN!!!


Quote:
Originally Posted by Triple Threat View Post
Decently? You squat mega-weights for mega-reps and the best you can come up with is decently? Arch, you're well past decently.
LoL!!! Thank you Triple, motivation at it's BEST!!!


Quote:
Originally Posted by Gazhole View Post
Credit where credit is due, bro

Inspiring to me because Squats have always been a weak point, haha!
They will only be your weak point if you let them, my partner could hardly do 225 when we first started, and that was his MAX lift!!! He now can pretty much hang with me!!! Of course his bench blows me outta the water, but thats another story, LoL!!!

Quote:
Originally Posted by JerseyDevil View Post
Arch Is The Squatmaster!
Squatmaster, I like it JD, thanks my Friend!!!



Today 11.20.09

Delts/Biceps/Triceps

RC = 5/2/explode with control/2

PBN's (stopped at ear level)
190x10

Cable Laterals (simultaneously)
30x13

Preacher Curls
70x12

Cable Standing Curls
100x4

Cable Pushdowns
160x13

Partial Dips
BWx9

20 Minutes Elliptical
Level : 5
Speed : varied

DONE!!!

Okay, first week with new routine, will definatly have to adjust weights to HIT my desired rep range of 6 (MAX) on first lift and 12 (MAX) on second, third, etc!!!

Forgot my belt to load up the weight with, thats why I did Pushdowns first, and Partial Dips second, will reverse the order next time!!!








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