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Posted by: I Are Baboon

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/31/sp.../31doping.html

I am shocked, I tell ya.

Posted by: IainDaniel

No big surprise.

Posted by: IronAddict

Yeah, but what do we expect! The FDA says, we should never ever take nutritional supplements.

Posted by: Triple Threat

So those World Series titles in 2004 and 2007 are tainted?

Posted by: I Are Baboon

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So those World Series titles in 2004 and 2007 are tainted?

No more so than the 03 Yankees.

Posted by: P-funk

No big surprise. Man, Ortiz has not been great at all this year.

The only player I believe in anymore is Len "nails" Dyskstra. He was totally clean.

patrick

Posted by: largepkg

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No big surprise. Man, Ortiz has not been great at all this year.

The only player I believe in anymore is Len "nails" Dyskstra. He was totally clean.

patrick

Nails is pathological P. You see the two HBO specials they had with him? Dude is certifiable.

Posted by: P-funk

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Nails is pathological P. You see the two HBO specials they had with him? Dude is certifiable.

Yea, they were on youtube. Awesomeness!

YouTube Video

Posted by: largepkg

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Yea, they were on youtube. Awesomeness!

YouTube Video

That's part 1. You see part 2? That's where you see him crash and burn.

Posted by: P-funk

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That's part 1. You see part 2? That's where you see him crash and burn.

I've seen it before. It used to be on youtube but I can't find it for some reason? Maybe HBO took it down?

He is totally bankrupt now I believe.

patrick

Posted by: min0 lee

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Originally Posted by I Are Baboon

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/31/sp.../31doping.html

I am shocked, I tell ya.

Old news,I broke this news weeks ago.

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No more so than the 03 Yankees.

27 minus 1...I can deal with that.

Posted by: I Are Baboon

At least the Red Sox win championships when they juice.

Posted by: min0 lee

Ha!

It is amazing how low their numbers are now.
They say that before Ortiz took steroids he wasn't such a power hitter. Let me check.

Posted by: IainDaniel

before 2003 he hit like 17 and 21 Hrs.

Posted by: min0 lee

Like other players their numbers have declined.

I know you say players used uppers years ago but steroids are at a different level.

Posted by: IainDaniel

I agree.

But it is cheating none the less, according to today's standards.

Posted by: min0 lee

I wonder how Sox will take this one..he's still reeling from the news that Dice-K tested positive for Vagisil.

Posted by: IainDaniel

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I wonder how Sox will take this one..he's still reeling from the news that Dice-K tested positive for Vagisil.

haha

Posted by: min0 lee

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I agree.

But it is cheating none the less, according to today's standards.

True, it really disappointed me when I heard Willie Mays mixed it with his coffee.

Posted by: IainDaniel

Here you go mino. Sox on Ortiz

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I don't know.

He's a big boy naturally and his arms are so damn little that I find it hard to believe.

Plus, his quotes when the story first began a couple of years ago.

I just don't see it, but I definitely could be wrong on this one.

Posted by: min0 lee

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Here you go mino. Sox on Ortiz

Most people think that you become Arnold the moment you touch steroids but these players now know that certain steroids affect your differently.....not that I really know much about it, I would also have though the same about Ortiz.
I like Ortiz as player, hopefully he can bounce back and at least be close to the numbers he put up in past years.

Here's his quote.

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”I think you clean up the game by the testing. I know that if I test positive by using any kind of substance, I know that I’m going to disrespect my family, the game, the fans and everybody, and I don’t want to be facing that situation. “So what would I do? I won’t use it, and I’m pretty sure that everybody is on the same page,”

Posted by: I Are Baboon

soxmuscle...where is that homo?

Posted by: P-funk

LOL....I like how Nomar is now stating that some guys chose not to take the test and said to put them down as "positive" so that it would elevate the numbers and force baseball to institute a testing policy....Riiiiiiight. Sounds like a guy who is trying to cover his tracks to me.

patrick

Posted by: IainDaniel

58 hrs prior to 2003 in 6 seasons

244 hrs since 2003

Obviously the steroid testing isn't working too well.

Posted by: P-funk

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58 hrs prior to 2003 in 6 seasons

244 hrs since 2003

Obviously the steroid testing isn't working too well.

Whose stat is that? Nomar's?

Posted by: IainDaniel

Big Papi

Posted by: P-funk

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Big Papi

He only had 53 home runs in 6-seasons? WOW, I would have never guessed that stat. I guess he just sort of popped on the scene in 2003 as this big home run hitter who would come in and save the day with walk-off home runs and I never realized what he was doing prior to that, so i just accepted that he was quietly hitting a ton of home runs and no one really talked about it. Guess I was wrong.

patrick

Posted by: IainDaniel

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In fairness, he didn't play a lot of games with minny. But was hitting a tater on average ever 26 At bats.

Now in his career with boston, he has been hitting a tater every 14 at bats.

Posted by: P-funk

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Now in his career with boston, he has been hitting a tater every 14 at bats.

Not this season though. I wonder what happened to him?

patrick

Posted by: IainDaniel

His steroid supplier Manny left.

He just found another supplier recently

Posted by: min0 lee

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His steroid supplier Manny left.

He just found another supplier recently

That was the first thing in my mind.

Posted by: Triple Threat

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Originally Posted by I Are Baboon

No more so than the 03 Yankees.

Florida beat NY in the series that year.

Posted by: Triple Threat

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Originally Posted by P-funk

LOL....I like how Nomar is now stating that some guys chose not to take the test and said to put them down as "positive" so that it would elevate the numbers and force baseball to institute a testing policy....Riiiiiiight. Sounds like a guy who is trying to cover his tracks to me.

patrick

Give Nomar an A+ for creativity.

Posted by: the nut

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Originally Posted by P-funk

The only player I believe in anymore is Len "nails" Dyskstra. He was totally clean.

Griffey, Jr. Is there anyone even close to his numbers who hasn't been rumored?

Posted by: IainDaniel

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Griffey, Jr. Is there anyone even close to his numbers who hasn't been rumored?

I dunno... there is some doubt there for me. With the type of injuries he has had.

Posted by: P-funk

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I dunno... there is some doubt there for me. With the type of injuries he has had.

What about Griffey Sr.?

patrick

Posted by: the nut

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I dunno... there is some doubt there for me. With the type of injuries he has had.

You could make the case, especially with the players confirmed or rumored from those Seattle teams. But so far his name hasn't come up. I personally believe he would've been out by someone. Anyone with huge home run numbers in this era has already been linked by a trainer, or Canseco, or an anon test result. Maybe it's coming, I hope not.

Posted by: min0 lee

Big Papi's big loophole: Could Red Sox slugger David Ortiz blame test on supplement?

Posted by: IainDaniel

Blaming it on a supplement is a weak excuse. They have so many people to refer to and consult.

The League provides more then enough help, if the player cares.

Posted by: I Are Baboon

Big Papi needs to man up and talk about this.

Posted by: I Are Baboon

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Big Papi needs to man up and talk about this.

The longer he waits, the less credible he becomes.

Posted by: IainDaniel

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The longer he waits, the less credible he becomes.

I dunno. Users have faced less wrath, then the initial group that got busted.

Look at Manny he said shit, and no one cares.

Less to say, less chance of burying yourself.

Posted by: I Are Baboon

Red Sox fans want an explanation.

Posted by: IainDaniel

He wanted to succeed and get paid more money

Posted by: Triple Threat

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He wanted to succeed and get paid more money

Looks like it worked.

Posted by: min0 lee

I read an article where Pedro Martinez questioned why are the Dominican players being singled out.
It turns out they weren't singled out, he was just crying and exaggerating.
The idiot should know that getting roids from his country is a easy as buying beer. I never liked that ass.

Posted by: I Are Baboon

Red Sox Nation as a whole is pissed about this and they want an explanation from Ortiz.

Of course, I was in Baltimore last weekend for the Sox series and I cheered Ortiz anyway. But I'm funny like that. BTW, a Sox series in Baltimore is frikkin awesome when you are there. Sox fans EVERYWHERE and we took over all the bars.

Posted by: the nut

This was in this weeks SI....Checking In With Barry - 08.10.09 - SI Vault

Checking In With Barry
CHRIS BALLARD

TO: Baseball fans and media

FROM: Barry Bonds

Remember me? Dude who gave you 762 free souvenirs and never once got thanked? Dude who embarrassed National League pitchers for two decades, put up the most ridiculous numbers in baseball history and won seven MVP awards? Time was, you respected me. Some of you even loved me.

Until you hated me. So I didn't smile and sign every little kid's T-shirt. So I ignored a teammate or two. So I blew off reporters—hey, they were just going to make stuff up anyway. And yeah, so I took some of the Clear. O.K., maybe I took enough to put a horse in a coma, but what's the difference? Point is, I could play the game. Play it like no one else. Ever.

None of that mattered, though. You called me a cheater and said it all had to go—the respect, the records, even the chance to play. Come on, two years ago I put up a 1.045 OPS. You're telling me no team could have used that kind of talent last season? Know how many hitters have an OPS that high right now? (Yeah, you bet I keep up.) That's right: one. Your boy Albert Pujols—or as my friends call him, the Last Great Clean Hope (Until He Isn't). But me? I sat and waited for a phone call that never came, unless it was my lawyers wanting to talk about that annoying perjury case.

Teams thought I'd be a p.r. nightmare. A locker room problem. That I was old and grumpy and couldn't field. Hell, Adam Dunn is young and grumpy and can't field, and the Nationals signed him for 10 mil a year. But no, I was the Great Steroid Pariah. Yeah, you're damn right I know what that word means.

So I have to ask: What do you think of me now? Come on, let's go down the list together of all the big names linked to performance-enhancing drugs: McGwire, Sosa, Palmeiro, A-Rod, Manny and now Big Papi. You people love Big Papi. Can't get enough of him. But wasn't it obvious his numbers were bogus? Dude used to be a scrub. Then at 27 he suddenly turns into Reggie freaking Jackson? He went from hitting 20 home runs a season to 54! But none of you noticed because you were all talking about my hat size, and besides, David Ortiz didn't look like a user. He was too goofy, too soft and—let's be honest—too fat. It was like saying Santa Claus was on the juice.

So how are you going to treat Papi now? Will you boo him and throw syringes on the field like you did to me? Are you going to sic Pedro Gomez on him? Because if so, can you get on that sooner rather than later? The guy's still camping out on my porch. I'm not joking. I can see him through the curtains right now.

While we're at it, just what price has Manny paid? Let's see: a 50-game suspension and then ... what? More love from you guys. Just last week some joker from a Long Beach paper went on about how great Manny was because when he approached Manny for an interview and mentioned Armenian food, Manny said the two of them should go out for Armenian sometime and gave him his number. Hello! I love Armenian food. Are you telling me all it takes to change your opinion is sharing some tas kebab? Are you people really that shallow?

Wait, don't answer that. Go on hating me. It's cool. I still have my trial, and I need to finish patching things up with my wife now that we're no longer getting a divorce—despite that big-mouth girlfriend of mine. And of course I need time to work on my Hall of Fame acceptance speech—that is, if I decide you all deserve to hear one.

And think about this: Only seven of the 104 names on that master list of juicers have come out. That means there are nearly one hundred still to drop, and that's just from that one round of testing six years ago. Jose Canseco says there's a 95% chance anyone who played in the last 20 years was using something, and even though he's a total nut job who I'd probably hit in the face with a bat if I saw him in a back alley, dude does seem to know what he's talking about when it comes to cheating.

So here's what I'm asking. As each new name comes out and you guys all care less and forgive quicker because you just want to move on already, think about me for a second. You know, the guy you singled out among an invisible crowd of hundreds of players, the guy who took all your anger for all those years and never let it break him. And ask yourself this: What if I'd been a nice guy? What if I'd smiled at the crowds and had a cute nickname like Big Bappi and took all of you out for Armenian food? And what if you just found out I'd been on the juice—well, what would you think of me then? Would I still be public enemy No. 1? Or would you feel different? Because I'm thinking you would.

I'm thinking that right about now you're feeling bad about how you treated me. I'm thinking maybe you'd like to apologize.

Not that I care, of course. No, not at all.

Posted by: min0 lee

David Ortiz will address media Saturday

Posted by: I Are Baboon

Interesting that he'll be joined by the new head of the MLBPA. I'm interested to see what he/they have to say. Those queers.

Posted by: IainDaniel

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Interesting that he'll be joined by the new head of the MLBPA. I'm interested to see what he/they have to say. Those queers.

If you think anything of importance will be said, you will be disappointed. Deflect deflect deflect.

Posted by: min0 lee

I wonder if he'll all of the sudden forget how to speak English?

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