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Posted by: suprfast

I hope this is the right place, if not too bad. I was going to post this in the healthy section, but you will soon see why i didnt.

MEAT, its whats for dinner.

Let me start off by showing off the beast of beasts. It needs a touch up of paint, but still performs like a champ. As you can see it is a 55gallon drum(that was 100% brand new, never seen a chemical in its life, nor had the horrible lining on the inside) that has been modified with one ball valve and two close thread ports on the bottom for oxygen. I modified a weber bbq that i found so i can have extra room to make it a double decker smoker. Enjoy.

Posted by: IronAddict

Why my friend, that is just beautiful!

I loves me some BBQ.

Posted by: suprfast

Okay, now what does it do.

how does bbq beef short ribs and st louis style pork ribs sound? Probably not as good as they look.

This is the membrane that must be removed

Mustard is used merely as a medium for the rub to stick. Mustard flavor is gone after the smoke.

A little sauce and its done

Oh so tender.

Posted by: suprfast

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Originally Posted by IronAddict

Why my friend, that is just beautiful!

I loves me some BBQ.

You chimed in too soon, now take a look

Posted by: IronAddict

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Originally Posted by suprfast

You chimed in too soon, now take a look

What? You're now gonna tell me that the droppings from the meat to the coals is gonna cause me cancer?

Well, how about movement my good friend.

Besides, cancer is the new black.

Posted by: suprfast

I have no idea what you just said, but thanks for looking

Posted by: Triple Threat

Posted by: IronAddict

I guess that's just a west coast thing!

Posted by: IainDaniel

another smoker eh?

I like your homemade smoker. That is pretty sweet.

I use a weber smokey mountain.

I have a pretty mean pulled pork, need to try some short ribs though. they look good.

Posted by: suprfast

Im in CA, how much more west coast can you get unless you are in Hawaii/Alaska.

I started with the red bullet Brinkman electric when i lived in an APT(ill post pics of some goodies from those days) and upgraded to a large brinkman Smoke n Pit(with side box) that i disliked. Decided to build a drum when i found out it was cheap to do so, and i love vertical smokers more than offsets.

Im not a big pork person but it goes great for parties. Im learning to eat pork a little more and more now that im trying to up my BBQ skills.

Enough talking more pictures

Smoked chicken breast with bbq sauce

Posted by: IronAddict

A good griller next door makes a great best friend!

Posted by: suprfast

I love to feed friends, stop on by. I usually make so much extra and send it home with the company

Posted by: IainDaniel

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Originally Posted by suprfast

I love to feed friends, stop on by. I usually make so much extra and send it home with the company

Yep the joys of smoking.

I always get asked to cook something up for parties or functions with friends

Posted by: jurg

you rule..i got hungry now. fuck

Posted by: suprfast

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Originally Posted by IainDaniel

Yep the joys of smoking.

I always get asked to cook something up for parties or functions with friends

I think that is one of the best feelings of BBQ. Ive been smoking for some time now and im always wondering if people truly like the food as much as i do, or if they are just being nice. When they ask for some ribs, tri tip, or lamb i know that they really do like it.

Pulling a tri tip out right now. Keep updated for this weekends pics.
kris

Posted by: IainDaniel

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Originally Posted by suprfast

Nice keep wanting to try a tri-tip. Look forward to seeing it.

Posted by: suprfast

Ive heard rumors that the more up north a person is, even in the states, the harder it is to find a "tri tip". From what i read on BBQ forums i frequent, they just rename the "tri tip" that we know with its actual cut of "BOTTOM SIRLOIN".

Not sure if this is an issue in Canada.

Posted by: IainDaniel

Yep same cut. different name.

Just have to have a butcher

you won't find it in a grocery store around here.

The Butcher I use, is pretty big in the Canadian smoking ring.

Posted by: suprfast

Well, this is a BBQ thread for all. Post up the pics of smoked protein. Maybe ill get new ideas and recipes to try out.

Posted by: IainDaniel

Here is a whole pork shoulder on my WSM 18 lbs

Posted by: suprfast

nice bark. Did you foil it at all?

Posted by: IainDaniel

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Originally Posted by suprfast

nice bark. Did you foil it at all?

No foil at all. tons of fat and connective tissue in the meat to the melts off and keeps it moist. I think it took 16 hrs to cook

Posted by: Merkaba

Ok I love this thread! Way to go!

Posted by: suprfast

If you like, then i shall post more.

Dinner for tonight(well not all the dinner, just the meat portion)

Smoked tri tip w/mesquite and hickory wood
Removed all fat(just watching my figure ladies). Coated with Worcestershire sauce so seasoning has something to stick to. Seasoned the tri tip heavily with kosher salt, crushed black pepper, and garlic powder. Smoked at 250°F until internal temps reached about 140° which left it nice and medium in the middle and a good bark on the outside.

Check out that smoke ring. I think i let it sit too long before carving and eating, but flavor was top notch. Next time ill make sure my workout partner is on time so i can eat it while its piping hot.

Next on the smoker was Boneless Skinless Chicken Breasts. I hate wasting valuable smoke for only one piece of meat. Ill have breakfast tomorrow, and lunch. Im sure ill smoke again for dinner.
Chicken was coated with olive oil then rubbed with a McCormick chicken rub. Quite tasty.

End result, not bad. Not a huge poultry smoked fan, regardless of the wood used(mesquite and hickory a tad strong for poultry). Chicken had a nice pinkish color from the smoke(yes it was cooked all the way through, 170°F internal).

Salivate
Kris

Posted by: Built

<orgasm>

suprfast, I want to have your babies. That meat is falling off the bone... <cries>

Gaaaah there are NO good rib joints in Vancouver. Okay Montana's, they're pretty good but that's seriously it and it's a half-hour drive out of town.

You simply have to come here.

Oh, and we call it tri-tip. I just bought some, as a matter of fact. Gonna fry it up with bacon and eggs for breakfast tomorrow. Dieting.

Posted by: calalily1972

I want to see Brisket please!!!!! I actually don't like the taste of pork

No idea why; its not a animal thing. I love me some beef brisket though!

Posted by: Merkaba

Two orgasms in one try....you're my kinda guy. Keep em comin'. I've never done any smoking before but I have one of those grills with the small smoker chamber on the side. I might have to try it now.

Posted by: IainDaniel

Nice smoke ring on the tri-tip

I have never had much luck with brisket. That is a tough cook for me.

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Originally Posted by Built

Oh, and we call it tri-tip. I just bought some, as a matter of fact. Gonna fry it up with bacon and eggs for breakfast tomorrow. Dieting.

That is cause you are a westie

Posted by: nkira

Well well well..look at that food!! <Drool>

Weber BBQ just launched in my country...Soon I'll be buying one...I hear charcoal one are the best opposed to the gas ones.

Posted by: IainDaniel

How long did it take to smoke the Tri-tip What was it about 2.5lbs?

Posted by: suprfast

Built I would be honored. I guess now everyone sees how i can get fat. Its amazing how good a person can still eat on a "diet". Cut out the 50K rolls i would have ate with dinner with the 12lbs of mashed potatoes and you have yourself bodybuilding food. I LIKE THIS DIET.

calalily1972, my apologies for not having an after picture. My company was late showing up last weekend(first brisket) so taking the after pics were not on my mind. This was an 8lb brisket i was doing(and did, but no after pics so technically it never happened right). I started smoking at 12:30am of Saturday last week. It finished at 10:30am of that same Saturday.

I used a mustard and Worcestershire sauce as a base for the Brisket.

Seasoned heavily

Just to throw more in that i didnt click to finish.
This pork shoulder fell apart. Back in the drinking days. I have touched a drop in 4 months, nor do i plan to.

Im not a huge fan of pork either, but after learning the smoking technique im getting more friendly with it. I just love food, now i learn to love it in moderation.

Merkaba, im honored to make another guy orgasm. now lets just hope my wife doesnt see that or she may get some nasty ideas.

Nkira, i would use charcoal personally. I have a big ass gas grill that i rarely use unless im grilling up burgers or a steak(or fish, smaller cuts of meat). Charcoal, plus minion method, plus tough piece of meat, equals dinner. Best part of learning to smoke, you get to eat your mistakes.

Ian, it was roughly a 3-4 pounder. I think it took about 2 hours +/- to smoke. I dont like over done beef, but im a sucker for a good bark. Higher temps makes it cooked to perfection on the outside while staying medium in the middle. I like it a tad more on the rare side, but like i stated i love to cook for guests and they all like to eat kingsford charcoal(burnt food). This is the only way i can get a good harmony between the two.

What to smoke today?

kris

Posted by: Triple Threat

Best.Thread.Ever.

Posted by: calalily1972

We have 2 gas grills but for Xmas last year I bought Dave a Weber Kettle grill and since then we have barely used the gas grills. Food is so much better on a charcoal grill.

Posted by: IainDaniel

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Originally Posted by calalily1972

We have 2 gas grills but for Xmas last year I bought Dave a Weber Kettle grill and since then we have barely used the gas grills. Food is so much better on a charcoal grill.

Aint that the truth.

Posted by: IainDaniel

Unfortunately for me smoking season has come to an end.

We saw our first snowflake yesterday, and have had a few frosts. No way am I tending to the smoker in my gitch in the middle of a frosty night lol.

Posted by: suprfast

Quitter. Im outside smoking any time of the year, even when CA hits AMAZING lows of 40°. Sorry, i had to. Some of the best weather year around sure does make BBQ nice. Summers do suck, i hate the heat.
kris

Posted by: IainDaniel

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Originally Posted by suprfast

Quitter. Im outside smoking any time of the year, even when CA hits AMAZING lows of 40°. Sorry, i had to. Some of the best weather year around sure does make BBQ nice. Summers do suck, i hate the heat.
kris

That is the daytime high today

I like summers I cause I can sit around outside while the food is on the grill and drink away.

Posted by: calalily1972

BBQ and Beer mmmmm.....

Its gonna be 80's here today

Posted by: nkira

Yeah that's what I am worried about

Thanks for suggestion, you have any experience with Weber's BBQ? or seen any one use it? They have a nice range of marinades & rubs!

They also have different types of wood for flavoring, I have ZERO bbq experience! So I am all ears.

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Originally Posted by suprfast

Best part of learning to smoke, you get to eat your mistakes.

Posted by: IainDaniel

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Originally Posted by nkira

Yeah that's what I am worried about

Do you have a kettle or an actual smoker?

Biggest thing with smoking is playing around. Find flavours that work for you. There are some good smoking forums out there, that will teach you the basics.

I started smoking just on my BBQ and few years ago, then a I bought a Weber Smokey Mountain cause I was enjoying it.

Posted by: DiGiTaL

If we ever have an ironmagazine get-together bbq, Ian and suprfast are cooking.

Posted by: calalily1972

How do you make your kettle grill be a smoker?

Posted by: IainDaniel

Alot harder with a kettle... Kettles are good with higher temp smoking.

Off set the charcoal to one side, and add whatever wood flavour you like to the charcoal.

Posted by: suprfast

This is the easiest way to smoke with a kettle.
Smokenator 1000

If you are just starting out(depending on where you are located) give this guy a shot for the money.
Brinkmann at Lowe's: Charcoal Grill/Smoker

However, a standard weber 22.5" is only 79.00ish-89ish. Worth the money
Weber at Lowe's: 22.5" Kettle Charcoal Grill

Food will never have tasted so good. You can also pick up the standard hickory and mesquite at box stores. If you have a friend with an cherry, apple, any other fruit or hardwood you will be set. Cut a few branches off(you should let them season for about a year though) and preburn them to get rid of the moisture and you will be set.

Any questions just ask. Ian and I seem to be vets

kris

Posted by: suprfast

Beef back ribs

I left the picture above and the next two pictures for a reason. When doing ribs its vital to remove the nasty membrane. not only is it chewy, but it will also act as a barrier for your smoke, keeping it from penetrating. Dont confuse the membrane with the next thin layer which is fine.

And this is what it should look like when removed properly

Thought i would try the Worcestershire sauce and mustard again since it was a hit on the tri tip.

Everyone should have a bottle of their own special rub handy(jergens is the wrong kind of rub).
Mine is quite simple:
Equal ratios of Kosher salt, Crushed black pepper, paprika, onion powder, garlic powder, 1/2 of ground mustard, 1/4 of cayenne powder. This has been a great rub that is versatile. Sprinkle your meat with brown sugar afterward to get a nice crust and sweeter flavor. Add or subtract in this order to change spiciness: cayenne, ground mustard, crushed black pepper.

Ready for the kiss of smoke

All done, time to pull them off. Went for about three hours straight at 240-250°F

Time to foil to let them rest

Smoke ring anyone

I already picked up a "roast" for tomorrow. I plan to smoke it so i can make shredded beef tacos for dinner.

Thanks for watching.
Kris

Posted by: nkira

No, I don't have any BBQ equipment, all this time I have been cooking in an electric oven...*sigh*

Actually, last year I tried fabricating a BBQ from sheet metal, at the end of first cooking it all got warped cos of heat stress from coals!! Junked it.

But after looking at superfast's barrel BBQ, I wanna make a similar one as I have lots of oil barrels stacked around.

Now I am stuck between superfast's barrel BBQ & Weber.....but the barrel one gonna be a LOT cheaper than the weber.

Getting the coal's to burn & keeping it going red hot is what I need to learn.

Superfast, whats the distance between the first grill & the second grill in your barrel BBQ?

Kris!! Thats is amazing food man, to die for!! You keep posting & I HAVE to keep coming back to oggle at it!!! Best food thread EVER! FOOD PORN!!! <Eyes Pop Out>

With that kind of food you are gonna spoil all of us!!

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Originally Posted by IainDaniel

Posted by: suprfast

Distance is roughly 7". Lots of room for big parties, but the weber lid is a must.

A barrel has rules to it(not written in stone)

you want to make a charcoal basket that is 3" off the bottom of the barrel bottom. 0-3"

From 3" - 27" should be open space. On the 27" you should have your first grate. (24" above the bottom of your charcoal basket, not the bottom of the barrel. 27" from bottom of barrel)

At the top of the barrel just below the lip i added the second grate(about 34" high from the bottom of the barrel).

Intake (bottom of barrel) you would want three 3/4" inlets(i used close nipple pipe that has an OD of 1" and ID of 3/4") with one inlet having a ball valve to adjust air flow. You can cap both nipples and play with the ball valve for a 0-1 air flow. uncap one nipple and adjust with the ball valve you will have a 1-2 air flow. uncap both and adjust with the ball valve you will have a 2-3 air flow. You will learn to use the intake side depending on what you want to cook. I almost NEVER open the third nipple unless im doing poultry and want temps over 300°F. Anything that high for beef is GRILLING.

Exhaust(top of barrel) can either be the lid it came with or modify a weber. I started with the barrel lid and drilled 8 equally spaced 1/2" holes. I hated the lid because everything finds its way on top of the lid, tree leaves, bugs, branches, etc...
The domed weber is GREAT, and already has an exhaust.

Now, the most important part of the drum is the liner, if it has one. Its made of a nasty chemical that will most likely burn off as smoking making its way to your food. This liner is usually an orangish color. I would advise against any drum that housed oil, or anything that is not food grade. I was fortunate and found a company in my city that constructed barrels so mine was a virgin, 100%. I broke her in right.

Any questions, just ask. Many people helped me and i should help those to keep the tradition going.

All said and done, the weber is probably easier to start with.
kris

Posted by: suprfast

Thanks again. I plan to keep it going until...well forever. Its also a healthier way to enjoy food in my opinion. Most of the fat will melt off at higher temps so its not on the meat anymore(not counting the huge piece you leave on for long long smokes).

I used to frequent smoking forums, but after i noticed a trend i decided to just post my foodies here. What is that trend, THEY ARE ALL FAT. They apparently were upset that i was working out non stop trying to keep from being, LIKE THEM. Now i can show that eating to slim down doesnt have to be miserable.
Ive lost 18lbs in 4 months on the suprfast diet

kris

Posted by: suprfast

I was craving this for dinner last night so i got and early jump on it this morning, Pulled Beef for Tacos.

Start off with some good flavors:
Sea salt, crushed black pepper, paprika, onion powder, garlic powder, oregano, ground cumin, crushed red peppers, cayenne

The liquid rub to make it all stick. Thought i would try some of my favorite hot sauce and spicy brown mustard(not a fan by itself, does great for cooking).

Two very lean roasts. Downfall is they could dry out if you let them smoke over temps too long.

Heavily seasoned, ready to go

Once the temps hit 170° i foiled and sprayed with apple juice. This will help keep the meat moist until we hit roughly 205° internally. Sorry no pics of this part.

After you hit the temp you are looking for put it in an ice chest and read below.

Very very important part that a lot of people over look, let it REST. Ive heard many people say, "why does it need to rest, it's been sitting there for the last 7 hours", or "If anyone needs to rest its me, ive been cooking all day, im ready to eat". Allowing the meat to rest will help the meat redistribute the juices. This will be the difference between meat drying out and meat being moist when its time to eat. This time it sat for 30 minutes foiled begging me to break the rule.

Now look how happy they are after their little nap. Juices flowed out of the foil when i was opening into my tray

Splits like butter

Corn tortillas, fresh salsa, lemon, lettuce, avacado here i come

Done smoking until next weekend for my daughters 9th Bday. Thinking of something similar as to what you just saw, but with a brisket and pork shoulder.

Kris

Posted by: T_man

this is so unfair

Posted by: suprfast

Whats unfair is your not at my house to share some Guiness and Q. Damn you English for having all the good beer.
kris

Posted by: rahaas

Got daym that's some mighty fine eats!

Posted by: BlueCorsair

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Originally Posted by Built

<orgasm>

suprfast, I want to have your babies. That meat is falling off the bone... <cries>

Gaaaah there are NO good rib joints in Vancouver.

Never been impressed with Montana's; would suggest Tony Roma's, or Memphis Blues BBQ; both have multiple locations throughout Vancouver, and I swear their meat is better

. When I need that protein hit on a bulk, and I want it tasty, both have always done the trick for me!

Posted by: suprfast

I remember my Grandpa taking me to tony romo's when i was a child back in cleveland. Most of the tony romo's here in CA have closed down from what i heard/saw. Im always willing to give a BBQ joint a shot again, but man nothing beats doing it yourself. Plus, 20-30$ for a rack of baby backs...Cost me 6 bucks for the meat, charcoal, and time. Plus, my number 1 fan(9 yr old daughter) thinks im the coolest.

Im ready to host an ironlab BBQ when ironlab is ready for me

kris

Posted by: IainDaniel

I will be your sous-chef LOL.

Posted by: suprfast

I feel bad that i havent put anything up. Had two great smokes, one was a pulled pork and the other was a pulled beef. Shame on me.

Not a smoke, but i decided to turn the propane on this time.
Marinated beef flank. Probably one of my newest more favorite cuts.

Marinated overnight in a white wine, garlic powder, crushed black pepper, sea salt, olive oil.

its not official without grill marks

Medium anyone?

The rest is really basic. right now less is more as i have one month to finish off 8lbs from my cut.

kris

Posted by: jmorrison

sooo hungry now.

Posted by: Triple Threat

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Originally Posted by suprfast

Medium anyone?

Oh no, you killed it!

Anything past medium rare is overcooked to me.

Posted by: suprfast

I agree, but its the compromise with the wife, for the kids. My daughter is the biggest carnivore in the world. Whenever we have company I have to put a special steak on the side for me because the company normally likes WELL DONE. If i wanted well done i would just eat my kingsford charcoal. I also have to cook one half a rack of ribs with no sauce because some like them dry(which is okay in my book, but sauced is just so much fun).

Ill have some pics tonight. I have two racks of st louis style spare ribs. Be on the look out for a food boner.

Posted by: IainDaniel

What is the internal temp when you do a brisket(a full packer)?

How many hours does it take?

Posted by: suprfast

Ive only done two ever. I took the first one to 195° for slicing. The second one i took to 205° and shredded it for tacos.

Posted by: IainDaniel

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Originally Posted by suprfast

Ive only done two ever. I took the first one to 195° for slicing. The second one i took to 205° and shredded it for tacos.

Well u suck LOL.

I have only tried it once, and was disappointed with it. I guess I am my own worst critic. Cause I am very critical of everything I cook.

Posted by: suprfast

I too am critical. Out of all the things ive smoked, i always have a spot in my heart, err, stomach for ribs. Nothing else, and i mean nothing else comes close. BEEF OR PORK ribs, i love you. Now if you want to kiss it with a flame, rib eye medium rare is my choice. Off topic i know

Ian you need to forget about the weather and do some smoking. Going to do lamb shanks sometime in the next two weeks.

Posted by: IainDaniel

I will see if I can get a smoke in before xmas.

Rib eye med rare is always the steak of choice.

Posted by: suprfast

ahh yes, just the way i like them.

I didnt have to cut them, but it made it easier to put dibs on pieces. they tore apart like butter.

no wasted food

Enjoy.
kris

Posted by: nkira

This thread is driving me crazy!!...Food wise

Suprfast, Thanks for posting all the details about the drum BBQ, i'll be making one soon & posting pics here...

Btw, what have you used to coat the drum from outside? Considering the temperature BBQ runs at I am thinking normal paint wont last.

When do you use the top most grill?....I am guessing that lower grill is what you regularly use.

Noticed the coal starter in one of your pic, you made that one too?

Posted by: suprfast

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Originally Posted by nkira

This thread is driving me crazy!!...Food wise

Any questions on the drum procedure let me know.

The outside i used high temp(1000° paint, found at either auto parts stores or homedepot/walmart paint section, specifically for BBQ). I think its over kill. I plan to strip it all down and use 500° paint found at auto parts stores for calipers and engine blocks. Only reason i would use this is color selection. I thought i had glossy black(easy to wipe down) and it turned out to be a matte black. I dont care for it at all. Plus all my smoking is done well under 500°(well under 300° actually) with an occasional spike just a tad above 300°.

I actually use the top grill all the time now and the lower grill only when doing more stuff. Higher level means less chance of charring the bottom of the food in the event of a flare up(keeping the lid off too long makes this happen, too much oxygen).

Yes, i made the charcoal basket. It was a piece of expanded metal. I drew a diagram with cardboard then decided where i would make my cuts. I then cut it and screwed it together with stainless nuts and bolts. Its been a champ.

Let me know if you need any help. I love the Q. too bad you werent local, i have a second unit im selling. Ever since i did the second level, i dont need two BBQ's(or do i????)
kris

Posted by: nkira

Care to give a short run down on differences between BBQ'ing, Smoking, Grilling & Broilling...Is it meat specific? Rather than reading a book i'll prefer it coming from the actual users as it is more practical...

Is that a asbestos rope around the drum?.....for holding the lead?

About the lead (exhaust), I am thinking that the exhaust, the actual holes should be adjustable...so as to control how much it exhausts..any tip on hole sizes?

Now you have got me thinking about paint scheme for the drum BBQ!!...

Posted by: suprfast

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Originally Posted by nkira

Depending on the part of the country(united states) people are from will determine a difference between BBQ and smoking. In the south, they are one in the same. Here in CA, BBQ means to turn on a grill(charcoal or gas) and GRILL(direct heat). Smoking is the idea of "slow and low" for a given period of time so meat is delicate and tender. Some of the toughest pieces of meat can be turned into some of the best pieces after a cook smoke.

the rope is a high temp rope from a fireplace store. Any other rope has the chance of burning or melting. This rope is supposed to be good for over 1000°F. Did you mean LID and not LEAD. No way would i want anything LEAD anywhere near my food. The rope was used to seal in the bottom portion of the weber lid since there was a nice gap around it. I accidentally used a rope to thick, but the price of this rope was pricey so i just used it anyways.

For the exhaust something equivlant to 8 x 1/2" holes should be sufficient. I wouldnt worry about regulating exhaust at all. This should stay open to full at all times. Regulation should be done on the intake side only. Choking off the exhaust or intake too far will cause nasty creosote to form. You dont want this on food.

I was thinking of doing an R2D2 paint scheme, but i know this will take me more time than i want.

Ask away for any more helpful insight.

Posted by: nkira

Lid is what I meant....my bad....

....LEAD, gosh! what was I thinking!!

Mmmmmm.....delicate & tender is what I want

So smoking is a longer cooking process..hmmm...I wonder how much time it takes to smoke.....chicken & meat (lamb meat)...I am dieing to try out smoked ribs man.....

Btw what about the wood?....What options do I have if I can't get...apple, hickory and mesquite....long shot, I know, just want to make sure before I use unknown wood & end up with food poisoning!!

Btw already found a drum....

.....R2D2 scheme sounds cool!!

Posted by: suprfast

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Originally Posted by nkira

Lid is what I meant....my bad....

....LEAD, gosh! what was I thinking!!

Mmmmmm.....delicate & tender is what I want

.....R2D2 scheme sounds cool!!

Smoking is A LOT LONGER process. Dont expect to have a craving and 30 minutes to an hour later you are satisfied. It takes me 30-60 minutes just to get the smoker to operating temps.

Everything should be smoked according to TEMPS, not time. However, there are +/- ranges for time. pork ribs take me anywhere from 4-5 hours depending on if i foil. I really cant comment on poultry since i really cant stand the taste of it smoked. Yes, its good, i just dont like it. chicken smokes really quick(breasts, legs, etc...), just remember to take these up to temp for food illness reasons. Lamb, mmmm. I will be doing some in a few weeks. Shanks are so tasty, but TOUGH. Ill show them.

For wood, just about anything is worth a shot. Do not use soft woods such as pine. Almost anything fruit bearing would do. Apple, grapes, oranges, lemons, limes, citrus, mullberry, almonds, oak, pecan. The list goes on, just make sure you age the wood first (6-12 months, if not a little longer). I heard you could take a fresh piece and pre burn it so you can smoke with hit, but i have never tried this. Where are you located?

Make sure the drum doesnt have an orangish lining. If you can see, and verify bare metal you will be good. If it was food grade, perfect. if it was used for oil products(motor, transmission, etc...) be weary. I wont tell you not to use it, i just wouldnt. You can burn it LONG and HOT and everything should be kosher. I need pics Nkira. Lets get more people making sweet food love.
kris

Posted by: nkira

It's a oil drum so as u said I plan to burn it first & then sand blast it......

Pics is a done deal.....

I'll be making the lid too...so lets see how the plan goes. I was thinking about installing thermometer on the lid for checking the smoking temp..Is that ok? or should it be on the drum?

What accessories do you use?....like basting brush...ect.

I will see what kind of wood I can get....I have already contacted Weber Grills as they have Hickory & Mesquite...but its in chips n chunks form...will that do? or do in need a chopped wood log?

This wood choice seems interesting...flavor wise.

Posted by: nkira

Here's pic showing thermometer installed on a drum smoker....I would like have your word on the position of thermometer. The top one has it on lid.

Posted by: nkira

Any advantage of insulating the drum from out side? We do industrial project so I can get it insulated with rock wool & then cover it will aluminum cladding.....very smooth finish, good for painting.

Posted by: suprfast

I would mount the thermometer as close to grate level as possible. You want to know the temps you are cooking with nothing else.

For myself i have no reason to insulate it. Temps here in CA are never drastic. If you live where there is snow you will use less fuel source for the same outcome(if this makes sense).

If you live in cold weather climate i say go for it. Water heater blankets do very well too.
kris

Posted by: danzik17

Oh my god.

Can I hire you to be my chef? PLEASE?

Posted by: suprfast

Yes, i work for food though

Posted by: ArnoldsProtege

God I want meat. Smoked meat. This thread has ACTUALLY inspired me to look into smoking meat, something that had never even occurred to me. It just looks...so...damn... good...

Posted by: suprfast

On sale this week at Raleys i found "Prime" Rib Roasts(not really prime cut, choice, no one has prime) for 5.97/lb
I bought a three bone for Thanksgiving, since most people will attack the turkey. MORE FOR ME

She is a beaut.

Posted by: suprfast

Now in response to a dilemma i had with myself last night SMOKE OR ROTISSERIE?

I love the way juices flow over and self marinate while turning, but flavor is so important with the smoke. I then had an epiphany, and it looks like this

:thu mb:

It all starts with removing the rotisserie from gas grill, which wont be missed.

I then rubbed my smoker and a wish to the BBQ GODS and was presented with this

Damn, im good. Now i did notice one issue, REMOVING THE ROD WITH FOOD ON IT. No worries, ill use the grate on the bottom to hold a pan and slide the food off the rod onto the pan.

No good deed would be done without food, so i just pulled out a tri tip for the first smoke on the rotisserie.

kris

Posted by: nkira

This is the best thread to follow.......

That combo cooking is one hell of a idea...

Have you EVER considered opening your own BBQ?......with this kind of creative ideas & experience it's bound to be a hit with food loving people.

And we want pics.....all of them...start...midway..finish..just post all!

Posted by: suprfast

I love doing write ups, i just feared people wanted me to get rid of the foreplay and jump right into the action.

Ive thought about opening something up, but that is too big of an adventure to pursue at this point. For now, its all mine, all mine. Oh and anyone elses that wants to come over

Posted by: suprfast

Tri tip just went on, and what a PITA it was. Tomorrow i will be notching out V's or U's into the sides for the smoker. It took me almost 3-4 minutes to get the meat on the rod, and with little room to spare. I forgot to measure for the CLAWS that hold the food to the rod.

update for the tip later tonight...
kris

Posted by: suprfast

There is zero comparison between a smoked tri tip and a rotisserie smoked tri tip. Just look at the outside, it tells the whole story.

I thought i would give a bag of royal oak a shot(i had it lying around, i didnt care for it last time)

the official bbq seasoning mixing bowl

Kosher salt, crushed black pepper, garlic powder, pinch of onion powder

prepping it for the skewer

fire, what fire

There we have it. MY first rotisserie smoked anything. This will be a popular method of smoking from here on out.

Posted by: suprfast

Last but not least, a little video action
YouTube - rotisserie

kris

Posted by: nkira

I just woke up & saw the update....made my day & the day just started...

It looks so much more juicer than smoked meat....is it more tender than smoked meat?

Posted by: suprfast

Much much more tender. Its juicy all the way through instead of it just dripping down the bottom. Color is uniform all the way through, even cooking. I dont know what to say, but this is it. Smoked food just stepped up a few, and i already loved it. Now to invent a basket that can rotate for ribs

kris

Posted by: nkira

This I copied from The Hot Pepper - Hot Sauce Forum - BBQ Forum - Spicy Food Forum - Hot Pepper Forum

Wood Smoking Flavor Chart
not really a chart but you get the idea..

Acacia

these trees are in the same family as mesquite. When
burned in a smoker, acacia has a flavor similar to mesquite
but not quite as heavy.
Good with most meats, especially beef and most vegetables.

Alder

A sweet, musky smoke that is the traditional wood of the
Northwest.

Good with fish, pork, poultry, and light-meat game birds.
Traditionally used in the pacific Northwest to smoke
Salmon.

Almond
A nutty and sweet smoke flavor, light ash.
Good with all meats.

Apple

The flavor is milder and sweeter than Hickory. Serve
chutney made from the same fruit to accentuate the flavor
even more.
Good with most meats.

Ash
Fast burner, light but distinctive flavor.
Good with fish and red meats.

Avacado
Unknown
Supposed to be good for all meats.

Bay
medium floral smoke with hints of spice & cinnamon
Good with most meats and veggies.

Beech
A mild much used wood like oak.
Great for whatever you care use it with.
Good with meat and seafood.

Birch
Medium hard wood with a flavor similar to maple.
Good with pork and poultry.

Blackberry
Much like the woods provided from fruit trees, the small
diameter trunks of the Blackberry bush provides a slightly
sweet and delicate flavor.
Good for grilling poultry and other meats, such as small
game birds like grouse, pheasant, partridge, and quail.

Butternut
Strong smoke, like walnut, bitter when used alone
Good on red meats like Beef, Pork, Venison and other game
meats. Can easily overpower poultry.

Carrotwood
Unknown
Supposed to be good for all meats.

Cherry
Slightly sweet fruity smoke that's great with poultry
(turns skin dark brown). This smoke is a mild, sweet and
fruity smoke which gives a rosy tint to light-colored meats.
Good with all meats.

Chestnut
Slightly sweet nutty smoke flavor
Good with most meats.

Corncob
Although not considered to be a true wood.The heart of
the cob that holds the kernels is the fuel section of this
alternative for wood. It is ground into small granular bits
that can be added to a smoking box or it can be combined
with other woods such as woods from fruit trees, to impart
several flavors. The Corncob provides a sweet flavor that
may overpower the food if too much is used to season the
food as it cooks. Begin by trying small amounts until the
desired flavor is achieved.
It is often used as a smoking chip when grilling foods such
as poultry, fish and small game birds.

COTTONWOOD
It is a softer wood than alder and very subtle in flavor. Use
it for fuel but use some chunks of other woods (hickory,
oak, pecan) for more flavor Don't use green cottonwood for
smoking.
Use it for fuel but use some chunks of other woods
(hickory, oak, pecan) for more flavor.
Good for all smoking,especially pork and ribs.

CRABAPPLE
Similar to apple. Provides a lot of smoke. Rich and fruity.
Good with poultry, red meats, game and lamb.

Fig
Mild & fruity like mulberry- Boston butt & ribs
Good with all meats.

Fruitwood
Medium fruity sweet smoke- all BBQ meats
Good with all meats.

Grapefruit
Produces a nice mild smoky flavor.
Excellent with beef, pork, fish and poultry.

Grapevines
Tart. Aromatic, similar to fruit wood. The flavor is milder
and sweeter than hickory.
Great on most white or pink meats, including chicken,
turkey, pork and fish.

Guava
Flowery fruity taste similar to apple.
Good for all meats,

Hickory
Sweet to strong, heavy bacon flavor. This great flavor
works well with pork, ribs, hams, poultry, and beef. These
chips should be soaked for 1-2 hours to prevent a bitter
taste.
The most common wood used.
Good for all smoking,especially pork and ribs.

Jack Daniel's
Made from the mellowing charcoal used to make Jack
Daniel's that smooth sipping whiskey. This is a STRONG,
sweet smoke flavor with an aromatic tang.
It's good for cooking Beef, Pork, Poultry and Game meats.

Kiawe
Hawaiian Mesquite of sorts although somewhat milder.
Good on pork, beef and fish.

LEMON

A tangy, citrus smoke. Medium smoke flavor with a hint of
fruitiness. Medium smoke flavor with a hint of fruitiness.
Excellent with beef, pork and poultry.

Lilac
Very light, subtle with a hint of floral. Good with seafood and lamb.
Lime Medium smoke flavor with a hint of fruitiness.
Excellent with beef, pork and poultry.

Maple
Mildly smoky, somewhat sweet flavor. Maple chips add a
sweet, subtle flavor that enhances the flavor of poultry
and game birds. Smoke a pork roast with them for a
sensational taste experience.
Mates well with poultry, ham, cheese, small game birds, and
vegetables. Wonderful for smoked turkey!

Mesquite
Strong earthy flavor. One of the most popular woods in the
country, mesquite is a scrubby tree that grows wild in the
Southwest. Sweeter and more delicate than hickory, it's a
perfect complement to richly flavored meats such as steak,
duck or lamb.
Good with most meats, especially beef and most vegetables.

Mulberry
A mild smoke with a sweet, tangy, blackberry-like flavor
Good with Beef, poultry, game birds, pork (particularly
ham).

Nectarine
The flavor is milder and sweeter than hickory.
Good on most meats, great on most white or pink meats,
including chicken, turkey, pork and fish.

Oak
(White and Black Jack)
Most versatile of the hardwoods blending well with most
meats. A mild smoke with no aftertaste. Oak gives food a
beautiful smoked color.
Good with red meat, pork, fish and big game. RED OAK is
good on ribs. Especially good with beef brisket.

Olive
The smoke favor is similar to mesquite, but distinctly
lighter.
Delicious with poultry.

Orange
A tangy, citrus smoke. Medium smoke flavor with a hint of
fruitiness. Orange gives food a golden color. Produces a
nice mild smoky flavor.
Excellent with beef, pork and poultry.

Peach
Slightly sweet, woodsy flavor, milder and sweeter than
hickory.
Good on all meats, great on most white or pink meats,
including chicken, turkey, pork and fish.

Pear
A nice subtle smoke flavor much like apple. Slightly sweet,
woodsy flavor.
Good on Poultry, game birds and pork.

Pecan
Sweet and mild with a flavor similar to hickory but not as
strong. Tasty with a subtle character an all-around superior
smoking wood.

Try smoking with the shells as well. Good for most things
including poultry, beef, pork and cheese. Pecan is the best
for that beautiful golden-brown turkey.

Persimmon
Medium smoke- great for boston butt & ribs
Excellent with beef, pork and poultry.

Pimento
Also referred to as Allspice, Jamaican Pepper, Myrtle
Pepper, or Newspice. This wood adds a natural and
somewhat peppery flavor that may also include flavors of
several spices combined, such as cinnamon, cloves and
nutmeg, similar to the flavors provided when allspice is
used as a seasoning to enhance the flavor of various foods.
It is a common wood often used in grilling Jamaican foods
such as jerk chicken. Often used for grilling poultry and
fish.

Pistachio Nut
Shells
If you like the taste of pistachio nuts why not? Allegedly not so hot with fish.

Plum/Prune
The flavor is milder and sweeter than hickory.
Good with most meats, great on most white or pink meats,
including chicken, turkey, pork and fish.

Sassafras
A mild, musky, sweet smoke with a root beer aftertaste.
Especially good on beef, pork and poultry.

Seaweed
The seaweed is washed to remove the salt and air or sundried
before use. It provides a somewhat spicy and natural
flavor to the foods being smoked or grilled.
Commonly used for smoking shellfish such as clams, crab,
lobster, mussles, and shrimp.

Walnut (Black)
While pecan is hickory's milder cousin, black walnut is the
strong one. Often mixed with lighter woods like almond,
pear or apple, can be bitter if used alone. An intense smoke
that is slightly bitter like walnuts. Can easily overpower
poultry.
Good on red meats like Beef, Pork, Venison and other game
meats. Can easily overpower poultry.

Walnut
(English)

Very heavy smoke flavor, usually mixed with lighter woods
like almond, apple, pear or pecan.
Can be bitter if used alone. Good on red meats like beef,
pork, venison and other game meats.

Whiskey Barrels
Made from whiskey soaked oak barrels. Nice.

Italian Herbs
A strong smoke flavor that is completely unique! This blend
of oregano, rosemary, thyme with oak wood gives zesty and
robust flavors like these herbs.
Especially good for lamb, pork and poultry. Good for pizza
too, when you cook it on the grill.

Oriental Herbs
A strong smoke flavor with oak that's truly amazing ! A
blend of Sesame seeds and Ginger Root with oak wood or
Mesquite gives a nice oriental BBQ flavor.
Especially good for beef, pork and poultry.

Dried Herbs
Throw a spoonful of your favorite dried herbs into your
water pot - as it moistens your meat it also adds aroma and
flavor!
Good with any meats

Other Woods

Avocado, Bay, Carrotwood, Kiawe, Madrone, Manzanita, Guava, Olive, Beech, Butternut, Fig, Gum, Chestnut, Hackberry, Pimiento, Persimmon,
and willow. The ornamental varieties of fruit trees (i.e. pear, cherry, apple, etc.) are also suitable for smoking.

The ornamental varieties of fruit trees (i.e. pear, cherry, apple, etc.) are also suitable for smoking.

Wood that is poisonous when used for grilling.

DO NOT USE any wood from conifer trees, such as PINE, FIR, SPRUCE, REDWOOD, CEDAR, CYPRESS, or SWEET GUM TREES they will
make you sick!

Also ELM and EUCALYPTUS wood is unsuitable for smoking, as is the wood from SYCAMORE and LIQUID AMBER trees.

More woods that you should not to use for smoking:

Never use lumber scraps, either new or used. First, you cannot know for sure what kind of wood it is; second, the wood may have been
chemically treated; third, you have no idea where the wood may have been or how it was used.

Never use any wood that has been painted or stained. Do not use wood scraps from a furniture manufacturer as this wood is often
chemically treated.

Never use wood from old pallets. Many pallets are treated with chemicals that can be hazardous to your health and the pallet may have
been used to carry chemicals or poison.

Avoid old wood that is covered with mold and fungus that can impart a bad taste to your meat.

Posted by: suprfast

saw something similar on one of the other forums i used to frequent. I want to try them all.

Just an FYI about the smoker and rotisserie. I cut pockets, galleys straight down from the stop of the smoker lid ring to the hold i predrilled for the smoker rod. now i can prep the rod with the protein in the house then go outside and set it down in five seconds. More pics if you want them
kris

Posted by: nkira

Now I know that I can use Guava tree wood in place of Apple wood.....I am sure it won't be exact same, but good for starters I guess.

Snaps, yes.....we always want MORE!!

Suprfast, My drum is getting ready, all remains is the lid, as I cant get weber's I am making one...will post snaps as soon as it gets ready....it will be similar to webers.

Btw is there a thermometer installed on your drum? Whats the exact position for it? like few inches above or below the grill...I plan to install 2 thermometers 1 for lower grill & 1 for upper grill.

Posted by: suprfast

I use two remote thermometers, one for the food and one for the temp of the grill. I want to install one permanently, but im too lazy to go outside and check it when i can have a digital readout tell me what the temp is while watching basketball, working out, watching porn(you get the idea). Plus the remote units have timers and temp sensors to beep when its been X time or if the temps get X high/low. Gotta love technology.
kris

Posted by: suprfast

If things couldnt get better. My father in law is a landscaper and i do work with him from time to time for a few extra bucks. Today we came across a job that entailed olive trees. Long story short, we cut down 5 whole olive trees and they are now all mine. Ill have to snap some pics of all my wood for smoking.

Apple
Pecan
Mulberry
hickory
mesquite
black walnut(havent used this yet)
Manzanita(havent used this yet)
Olive wood(havent used this yet)

Man, flavoring food is so nice.
kris

Posted by: nkira

Drum is almost ready except for the lid & the cooking grill...I have contacted weber to check if they can sell it as spares. Yet to get reply.

Posted by: suprfast

Good luck with that. Weber doesnt like to part with the lid or base from my understanding. Grates are easy to find. Its amazing how many weber grills ive seen when i was never looking for them, now that i want another one, no way have i seen one. try yard sales man.
kris

Posted by: nkira

No use trying yard sales man as Weber's just launched my country....just 3 months back.

Posted by: suprfast

what country are you in?
kris

Posted by: nkira

India...

Posted by: suprfast

mmmm, indian food. Now thats good eating. There has to be more wood for you to use there.

Posted by: suprfast

Gotta another one for you nkira, and everyone else too.
First time in a long time smoking a whole bird. Wasnt a big fan of it in the past, but olive wood might just be the trick. Olive wood is a nice light flavor that didnt over power the chicken itself. shutting up now, to the pics

finishing up the rest of my royal oak. Not too sure im if a fan. Maybe ill try it again later. Filled the rest up with regular old kingsford(not too many people like this either, but its worked for me and easier to maintain temps than royal oak)

A tiny piece of what i have just acquired. Olive wood in the flesh, aged for almost two years. Beautiful color, but not edible so ill continue

This would make a nice table

sweet potato hard at work

trussing a chicken is a must for even cooking

want to see it all get shoved into the bird

I told you it would fit

recap : Lemon(from my tree), garlic, onion, rosemary(fresh is preferred), coat with olive oil, then kosher salt and crushed black pepper

Camera doesnt really do justice here, its not BURNT, its smoked. Took it up till the breast was about 152° and the leg was about 162°

Taste was great. I didnt eat it all just picked at it. I am using it to make chicken tamales.

BURP,
kris

Posted by: IainDaniel

The only thing I don't like about smoking chicken is that the skin doesn't crisp up.

Posted by: suprfast

I fought the temps to stay higher around 310-315° but the fire took over. Next time ill probably keep it lower around 275° then crisp it in the oven at 425° for 15minutes
kris

Posted by: nkira

You like indian food? So whats your fav?

Thanks for the additional pics......I can't wait for the drum to get ready...Weber, it seems has refused to sell the lid....anyways i'll make one myself.

Only lid remains....Then I will sand blast everything & paint it.

We get the normal charcoal (Lump charcoal is made directly from hardwood material and usually produces far less ash than briquettes.) here....will that be ok for cooking?

I have decided to go ahead with Guava tree wood for the first smoke....probably lamb is what I will cook first.

Oh, forgot I also have to make a coal starter...

Quote:

Originally Posted by suprfast

mmmm, indian food. Now thats good eating. There has to be more wood for you to use there.

Posted by: suprfast

Nan is awesome. Im telling you, its the carbs that kill me.

Lump is very good stuff. I use regular charcoal because home depot had a ridiculous sale on it last year and i bought 24 bags

kris

Posted by: IainDaniel

Quote:

Originally Posted by suprfast

Lump is very good stuff. I use regular charcoal because home depot had a ridiculous sale on it last year and i bought 24 bags

kris

I like to use kingsford charcoal.... I like the consistency of the burn... almost retard proof. Lump has a lot more of an inconsitent burn, requiring more monitoring.

Posted by: suprfast

that is exactly how i feel. When i used the royal oak lump, if i had too much oxygen for a few seconds the temps would rise way too fast. Charcoal tends to be more forgiving with me.

Damn, i really could go for some indian food right now.

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